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It's funny how you minimized two other popular requests and then proceeded to talk about the exact reasons you can do the exact same about Banjo and yet somehow act like he's in a better place.
The thing that people don’t seem to understand is that Dixie and Geno aren’t on the same level as Banjo at all. Banjo is a full-fledged franchise that was once one of the faces of Nintendo and yet has never been represented in Smash. Can you say the same thing about Dixie or Geno? No, you can’t, no matter how you try to spin it. Banjo is a much bigger deal than either of them
you have no idea how badly I would want to visit a Real life Witchyworld, the "Dark, Sketchy Carnival at night" Aesthetic is oddly enough super Comfortable imo, Before I even Enter Witchyworld in B-T, I always get a good look around the entrance to the level, the Flume of Doom, the rusty Iron Gate walls and the Trees over in the hilltop above the lake, theres just something about it that gets me super excited and willing to put myself into peril for just the hell of it.
That's great but he isn't a first party anymore. If he was your argument would hold merit but he's third party. He's going to against the likes of much bigger characters then he is so he's got the exact same problem as Geno. Which is he just has popularity in a series where that's not the most important quality.
I don't want to act like Banjo-Kazooie is untouchable and no one can criticize it ,But one could could argue that Banjo-Kazooie played a major role during the N64 era and is a main character of their franchise while Dixie Kong is the 4th most important character in the DK franchise and is pretty much Diddy's sidekick, DK (Main Protagonist) Diddy Kong (Sidekick) King K. Rool (Main Antagonist)
This argument is irrelevant too. There are plenty of much bigger characters than Joker that we could’ve got but yet we got Joker. They’re gonna add whoever they want whether they’re third party or not. And again, Geno is not on the same level as Banjo, third party or not. Geno continues to not be in Smash not because he’s third party, but because he’s just flat out not that important. He’s a spinoff character from a spinoff Mario game. That’s literally the extent of his history. Banjo is not only the face of his series which has numerous games, but the BK games on the N64 were the top 10-15 N64 games of all time. I swear people just tend to jumble Banjo in with the other fan requests and put them all on the same level without considering their actual history and credentials and how it would apply to Smash
I think Dixie deserves a little more credit than that. She's been in as the sidekick (DKC 2) and protagonist (DKC 3) before while being one of the handful of Donkey Kong characters to actually appear in the modern era and not actively forgotten. She's got a recency on her with Tropical Freeze that makes her more reasonable, particularly because she is a First Party character.
I think Dixie’s main problem is just that Sakurai seems to be content with the DK representation in Smash. It took him long enough to finally even add K. Rool. It’s sort of like Bandana Waddle Dee. People always clamor for him, but at the end of the day the Kirby series isn’t really in need of any more representation. But at the same time I guess you could’ve said the same thing a long time ago about Fire Emblem. But anyway that’s just my two cents
How do you not understand? Banjo's time has past. The only people who care about his history are us the fans who have given him his popularity. He was on his way to being an icon and a stand out series for sure but he was cut down due to the buyout. We are in the exact situation as Geno. A hasbeen character who should belong to Nintendo but doesn't and is only kept around by the fans. We can brandy around how much he meant during the N64 era but if you haven't noticed we aren't in the late 90's and early 2000's anymore. Showing why Geno isn't a viable choice hurts us too. We want more characters like Geno because it helps cement popularity as mattering. Banjo could have been important to gaming but right now he's more of a fun fact whereas the rest of Microsoft still has Steve and Master Chief under their belt for potential characters if they are even approached for Smash at all. We are still in a weak position and saying crap like other characters don't matter as much due being a "side character" or whatever just highlights how Smash doesn't emphasize popularity our one saving grace for Banjo.
Same as above.
Here's the issue though, Geno was never on his way to being an icon of any sort. Super Mario RPG as a whole is a bit isolated because of how soon Square fell out with Nintendo after its release and it was such a late title on the SNES. A beloved one by many for sure, but a title that suffered from its timing. Not to mention, Geno himself has never been a guaranteed takeaway from Super Mario RPG. He's usually loved by many of those same fans, but there's a lot to Super Mario RPG. There's no guarantee that people who play the game will achieve any sort of bond with him just playing the game, the whole Mario RPG element might be what they choose to enjoy the most. Similarly, Super Mario RPG did influence future Mario RPGs, but Geno himself isn't really a part of that legacy beyond being a part of Super Mario RPG. You can argue "endearing side characters" and I'll give a little bit of credit to that, but that's the entire game and again not just Geno.
It is.
Microsoft’s new goal when it comes to gaming is to boost Game Pass. It’s definitely one of the main reasons they’ve bought so many developers recently.I'm going to be a bit of a contrarian here and say that Banjo's chances feel wonky to me. Yea, you have Phil's comments, you have the radio silence from the parties involved regarding Banjo, etc. At the same time, there's something fishy with how things have transpired thus far. And not just in B-K's favor, but also against their chances. If I had to hazard another guess, it's because any revival of Banjo's going to have to be with gusto.
Not just a Smash appearance in my eyes - if you ask me, the Smash appearance increases interest in the character which is best served by being followed up. Take's example, where his appearance came just as Capcom just had a string of PR disasters and several questions about the company's future. The appearance lead to the Classic Collections within two years, and X Collections as well as 11 arriving within four - helping to turn Capcom's fortunes around. Likewise, if Banjo gets in then it would be a shame to only have them in Smash within the next 4-5 years; I'd much rather have Microsoft follow up with Kazooie / Tooie remakes and / or a new Banjo game within 2-4 years of the Smash appearance.
That's where I hit a roadblock mentally, since Microsoft probably wants a competent team behind a Banjo-Threeie. But they're also likely focusing on the Nextbox as well as Halo Infinite (Halo Youtuber HiddenXperia posted a video where he believed a nuts rumor with a grain of salt: Infinite's budget being $500 Million. No. Joke.). Of course, Microsoft's a huge company - what I'm saying is that if they plan on remaking Kazooie / Tooie or making a new Banjo game they are probably going to tread really carefully with that. So the new Banjo game won't release around (and be completely overshadowed by) Infinite. No matter how Infinite's recieved.
Far be it from me to say Steve or some other square **** wouldn't make sense as a Mii costume. I just don't think that comes at not also making sense as a character.
Twenty years later and you're still going to have a lot more people recognize Banjo than Geno due to one being the titular protagonist of a successful series with multiple titles and the other being a supporting one-off in a spin-off during a console's twilight years that didn't release globally.
Game Pass really has a great selection of games, but honestly the idea that I'm basically just 'renting' these games and not outright owning them if I stop paying the monthly fee puts me off. My own reservations aside this would be monumental if it came to the Switch
Are you holding out on Netflix too?
Netflix is a little different, to me anyway. Movies/TV shows are something you watch at least once and then you don't come back to it for a good long while. Video Games are something that you basically continuously come back to
The Geno and Banjo comparisons are baffling. The only thing they have in common is that they're both requested for Smash.
That's a bit of a generalization, wouldn't you say? I've personally spent a lot longer getting through some tv series than games.
Right... and if you cancelled your Netflix subscription halfway through watching a series or you wanted to rewatch something but no longer had an active subscription it'd be the same deal. The only difference is one leaves you with a reminder. Functionally to the user, they're basically the same.
Hey, your feelings and your feelings, and there is a difference between the mediums, so I get that it feels different. But tbh I think that's mostly because one has been normalized and the other hasn't... yet. I remember a similar sentiment about paid music streaming services, but now they're pretty widely embraced.
Your making it seem like Banjo-Kazooie's "Legacy" doesn't and shouldn't matter and that the only reason they and other newcomers should be considered for Smash is because of "Popularity" regardless of background.
That said, we're getting to a point where the N64 era was 18-20 years ago at the very latest. Soon, there'll be legal adults younger than Banjo-Tooie. Since Tooie, B-K has struggled outside of rereleases and Microsoft has seen the PR disaster (N&B, regardless of how one views the game's quality, was a PR disaster*) that can result from mishandling the IP. Shifting B-K to another genre is likely to be viewed as HERESY because of the scar that said PR disaster left. In short, B-K's both seen success (Kazooie sold 3.5 million, Tooie 1,5) and financial disaster. There's major risk.
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that Game Pass could be one of the ways to go, just need to make sure any remaster or new project doesn't release within a month of Infinite's likely massive gravitational pull.
). But I don't think the people here can agree on how much it should borrow from outside sources, and how much they should stick to the old course. Yooka-Laylee could play a role here as inspiration, but a possible Threeie's going to be a real tight balancing act either way.
You'd think people would learn to let go of those annoying Strawmen. We can sit here and dance around it all day but it always boils down to the fact that most of these characters were not used or seen for a significant amount of time.
back in Melee ? and 
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That is 100% true. People trying to bring "relevancy" as a counter strike for a character, are just trying too hard to deny their chances in vain. Not a valid argument at all anymore.
I sure do love playing as Geno and Isaac in Smash
Geno has a lot of hangups, only catering to a very small number of people who even remember the character.
No need to take that tone. Geno and Issac dont have their owners publicly stating how much they want them to be in Smash. We get what you are saying, but no need to be sarcastic about it.
You're implying the reason they didn't get picked was based on relevancy? Then you're already failing here, massively, if you are pretending to know what the criteria Sakurai truly has for picking characters. You don't work for them nor has any connection towards the creator to know such thing.
What on Earth are you talking about? I'm here because I want to HAVE Banjo and Kazooie in Smash, not because I want to want them. Another game would be great, fine, but I'm on a thread for him to be in Smash Bros. This paragraph is not out of context- the post just doesnt make sense.
It does apply for Isaac, though. The game series has been on hiatus for quite a while. It thankfully got a ton of content after barely existing in 4, but its lack of relevancy is an important factor for Sakurai. He even outright said that relevancy can play a role in deciding a character choice. At least Castlevania as a series was active, same with MegaMan, and Donkey Kong, so that certainly helped make them easier to add characters for. It's not the entire decision, but it does play a role that should not be ignored.
I mean, you're in Polarpanda's discord, aren't you? Shouldn't you know that her Nintendo ambassador fellow who knew about the Link's Awakening remake also said that Sakurai shot down Isaac regardless of his popularity on the ballot because of his irrelevancy?
Toys matter a bunch. Notice how even huge events like movies, such as Avengers: Endgame, still force sales of their merchandise through toys.
They might not matter for games. They do for stuff like Movies/Animations/Cartoons/Anime, but games are a whole different thing. They're completely different kinds of works. Might help for comics/manga too, but I'm not sure on comics alone. I think what mattered for Transformers' toys was the various cartoons/anime. The comics did fine otherwise.
They matter in building a franchise- it's not just about money, it's about getting your product in consumers faces. In marketing economics, an individual needs to see a brand roughly seven times before they even begin to recognize what it is. Merchandise is not only extreme amounts of money in the pocket, but it builds the brand for those who buy, and those who see those purchases (ie- kids playing).
and you're concluding the same for Geno becaaaause…?
