Social Banjo-Kazooie Social Thread - Project Dream Come True!

[ivanlerma]

i don't really want to see another Banjo & Kazooie vs. Steve debate,can we please not start this up again?

 

[LogFrog]

I’m not really against Steve, but I’m just paranoid if he’ll get in and Banjo won’t. This might be the only fighter pass we’ll get and frankly, I’m sick and tired of waiting for Banjo and Kazooie to return; it’s been way too long.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I don't really hate Steve, I just have apathy, since I have no strong feelings towards Minecraft.

Though I still think people are being paranoid for nothing and that he actually may not be in at all, while the leakers' sources somehow misinterpreted something they found. It doesn't help that every time there's been a Minecraft-related event, people immediately assumed there would be a Smash announcement, despite the fact that said events have nothing to do with Nintendo.

i don't really want to see another Banjo & Kazooie vs. Steve debate,can we please not start this up again?

You're right, let's just shift to "Is Shantae actually getting popular in Japan or not?" instead.

 

[dlewis53]

My thoughts regarding Steve are basically the same: unless there does end up being at least a second Fighter Pass, then I'd feel more than a little bummed if Steve got in over Banjo-Kazooie. That said, I'd still try to give him an honest chance and see how well he would play, but it'd still be a somewhat bitter pill to swallow. As unlikely as it is, however, I'd be cool with both of them getting in through this Fighter Pass.

Also, happy 300th page, Banjoroos!

 

[MissingGlitch]

I bet they will go with Master Chief or a Battletoad because of upcoming releases. Master Chief is the father of Xbox and Battletoads was one of the more must have games on the NES.

We keep arguing around in circles when we might not even be near what their plans are. Joker was unexpected. And people jump stright to arguing about super obvious characters like Erdrick, Steve, and Banjo getting in next. Either the rest of the pass is going to reflect Joker when no one saw then coming or Joker is our oddball pick and the rest of the DLC is going to be super obvious.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I bet they will go with Master Chief or a Battletoad because of upcoming releases. Master Chief is the father of Xbox and Battletoads was one of the more must have games on the NES.

We keep arguing around in circles when we might not even be near what their plans are. Joker was unexpected. And people jump stright to arguing about super obvious characters like Erdrick, Steve, and Banjo getting in next. Either the rest of the pass is going to reflect Joker when no one saw then coming or Joker is our oddball pick and the rest of the DLC is going to be super obvious.

Plus every character out there has at least one person wanting them in, so if they were to truly fit the definition of unexpected, they'd have to go with characters that haven't been mentioned online, and it would get too confusing and literal.

Besides, Joker had a support thread started for them way before the reveal happened, so.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Plus every character out there has at least one person wanting them in, so if they were to truly fit the definition of unexpected, they'd have to go with characters that haven't been mentioned online, and it would get too confusing and literal.

Besides, Joker had a support thread started for them way before the reveal happened, so.

I didn't mean it like that. When I mean not super obvious characters like Joker. I'm talking more in the sense of "there are no obvious signs they could possibly get in" until they are announced. Sure people wanted Joker. But no one expected Joker.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I didn't mean it like that. When I mean not super obvious characters like Joker. I'm talking more in the sense of "there are no obvious signs they could possibly get in" until they are announced. Sure people wanted Joker. But no one expected Joker.

Oh yeah, that makes sense. With Eddy and Steve's supposed buildup, I can't help but feel that people are setting themselves up for disappointment. If nothing for them does come true, the phrase "now you know how it feels" comes to mind.

 

[BZocky]

I bet they will go with Master Chief or a Battletoad because of upcoming releases. Master Chief is the father of Xbox and Battletoads was one of the more must have games on the NES.

We keep arguing around in circles when we might not even be near what their plans are. Joker was unexpected. And people jump stright to arguing about super obvious characters like Erdrick, Steve, and Banjo getting in next. Either the rest of the pass is going to reflect Joker when no one saw then coming or Joker is our oddball pick and the rest of the DLC is going to be super obvious.

wouldn't using a character from a well-known upcoming release be super obvious too? Banjo is still unexpected for many seeing as they've been MIA for almost 11 years.

 

[MissingGlitch]

wouldn't using a character from a well-known upcoming release be super obvious too? Banjo is still unexpected for many seeing as they've been MIA for almost 11 years.

But I also feel like Master Chief would fall where Joker falls. Wanted but no one actually expects it to happen. Banjo can be expected from being heavily requested and being a star of the Nintendo 64.

 

[N3ON]

I bet they will go with Master Chief or a Battletoad because of upcoming releases. Master Chief is the father of Xbox and Battletoads was one of the more must have games on the NES.

Master Chief has been deconfirmed.

We keep arguing around in circles when we might not even be near what their plans are. Joker was unexpected. And people jump stright to arguing about super obvious characters like Erdrick, Steve, and Banjo getting in next. Either the rest of the pass is going to reflect Joker when no one saw then coming or Joker is our oddball pick and the rest of the DLC is going to be super obvious.

The only reason people think Erdrick and Steve are super obvious are because of supposed leaks. It's not because of the characters themselves.

 

[weallfloatdownhere7]

But I also feel like Master Chief would fall where Joker falls. Wanted but no one actually expects it to happen. Banjo can be expected from being heavily requested and being a star of the Nintendo 64.

You could also say Banjo is wanted but not expected. But he’s MASSIVELY wanted, yet still not expected by most. Adding Banjo would be a win-win situation as far as that goes

 

[KingMinjo91]

I think Banjo&Kazooie are very unique under the circumstances, and I feel like they are a perfect fit for smash because of it.

1) As far as "unexpected" characters go, they definitely fall under that category. Sure, they have a huge fanbase that loves them and wants to see them revived/in smash, but I'm pretty sure the majority dont EXPECT them. Its not the same. I mean... the games that made them famous (and the ones people loved) came out like 20 years ago. Halo and Minecraft, for example, would be the "expected" franchises to be repped when we look at it that way.

2) They hit a certain sweet spot when it comes to appeal. Nintendo fans love Nintendo because of the cartoony and colorful characters and worlds. Microsoft doesn't really have many characters like that, but Banjo is definitely one of their biggest that fits that mold. You attract newer Nintendo fans that have never heard of him as well as the older fans that never forgot about him.

3) I also think it would be important for Microsoft to establish and elevate more of the characters they own. Banjo-kazooie was one of the best selling N64 games, and Yooka-laylee met its goal within minutes on the mere promise of being like Banjo. The foundation is there. Why not take this opportunity to make Banjo&Kazooie even bigger than they are now? Smash is selling like crazy, and I'm sure many of those fans don't know about our favorite duo. Again, using them as examples, Minecraft and Halo are already huge. I dont feel like they need the extra exposure.

Anyway, that's how I sometimes look at it. Just some of my opinions to share with fellow Banjo-kazooie fans.

 

[TheAnvil]

I could see Battletoads getting in down the line if Banjo gets in. Sakurai has a fondness for NES icons.

 

[Lycan Rex]

Even tho I wasn't really gunning for him, it kinda bums me out that chief is deconfirmed. Banjo is still my most wanted, but chief would've been a hype character. I can imagine his trailer playing to halo 2's theme.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Pfft. Steve is a very obvious character not because of leaks but because he's a huge gaming icon and Microsoft and Nintendo have been heavily working with it(have a Creeper N3DS is a big deal, something fairly unexpected from an opposing company to directly use their character to promote another system).. The leaks aren't why he's expected. They're a bonus instead.

Erdrick is only really expected due to the leaks, though.

 

[Nesysli]

I really only see Minecraft being represented in the same way Monster Hunter is right now in Ultimate. Besides, I believe no one knows the DLC except higher ups and Sakurai. But I really hope they drop who the next DLC character is in the next Smash update in April.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Any news from the conference?

 

[Violante]

For some reason, Master Chief being the only officially denied Microsoft character is making me think he's the only one who will get in.

 

[Quick Gaming (QG)]

What is there to gain from adding Steve? At the end of the day, Minecraft is individually the best selling game of all time. So... why would it need promoting? I understand that Minecraft should be represented, so make it a free stage alongside the actual Microsoft rep. Plus Steve would be the first Swedish character, at least Nintendo has used American and UK characters before. Just my 2 cents though

 

[Guynamednelson]

What is there to gain from adding Steve? At the end of the day, Minecraft is individually the best selling game of all time. So... why would it need promoting?

It's more like promoting Smash than promoting Minecraft. Even though kids are already gonna play it because Mario.

 

[Quick Gaming (QG)]

It's more like promoting Smash than promoting Minecraft. Even though kids are already gonna play it because Mario.

I get that, but that doesn’t have to be accomplished with a fighter does it? That didn’t happen with Monster Hunter (yet)

 

[SKX31]

Any news from the conference?

I found two Microsoft conferences that may be interesting for those hunting for a Joker-esque surprise announcement (Times are in Pacific):

Wednesday, March 20 | 12:30pm - 1:30pm

XBOX LIVE: GROWING & ENGAGING YOUR GAMING COMMUNITY ACROSS PLATFORMS (PRESENTED BY MICROSOFT)

Sponsor Speakers: Bill Schiefelbein (Microsoft), Ramsey Khadder (Microsoft)
Location: Room 2009, West Hall
Pass Type: All Access, GDC Conference + Summits, GDC Conference, GDC Summits, Expo Plus, Audio Conference + Tutorial, Indie Games Summit
Topic: Programming
Format: Sponsored Session

Thursday, March 21 | 10:00am - 11:00am

PROJECT XCLOUD: THE FUTURE OF STREAMING XBOX GAMES ON MOBILE DEVICES AND BEYOND (PRESENTED BY MICROSOFT)

Sponsor Speakers: Gus Apostol (Microsoft), Brandon Riffe (Microsoft), Shawn Farkas(Microsoft)
Location: Room 2009, West Hall
Pass Type: All Access, GDC Conference + Summits, GDC Conference, GDC Summits, Expo Plus, Audio Conference + Tutorial, Indie Games Summit
Topic: Programming
Format: Sponsored Session

My initial prediction is that we're not likely to see anything Smash related, 10ish % chance of that max. However, that's not to say it's impossible. That said though, the type of game emphasized might be telling, but could be a red herring too. Tread with caution here.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I get that, but that doesn’t have to be accomplished with a fighter does it? That didn’t happen with Monster Hunter (yet)

Valid point. Plus people care more about the setting anyway (like Monster Hunter).

I mean, we got an AT promoting a (dead) Koei Tecmo property, and that doesn't have anyone playable.

I found two Microsoft conferences that may be interesting for those hunting for a Joker-esque surprise announcement (Times are in Pacific):

Wednesday, March 20 | 12:30pm - 1:30pm

XBOX LIVE: GROWING & ENGAGING YOUR GAMING COMMUNITY ACROSS PLATFORMS (PRESENTED BY MICROSOFT)

Sponsor Speakers: Bill Schiefelbein (Microsoft), Ramsey Khadder (Microsoft)
Location: Room 2009, West Hall
Pass Type: All Access, GDC Conference + Summits, GDC Conference, GDC Summits, Expo Plus, Audio Conference + Tutorial, Indie Games Summit
Topic: Programming
Format: Sponsored Session

Thursday, March 21 | 10:00am - 11:00am

PROJECT XCLOUD: THE FUTURE OF STREAMING XBOX GAMES ON MOBILE DEVICES AND BEYOND (PRESENTED BY MICROSOFT)

Sponsor Speakers: Gus Apostol (Microsoft), Brandon Riffe (Microsoft), Shawn Farkas(Microsoft)
Location: Room 2009, West Hall
Pass Type: All Access, GDC Conference + Summits, GDC Conference, GDC Summits, Expo Plus, Audio Conference + Tutorial, Indie Games Summit
Topic: Programming
Format: Sponsored Session

My initial prediction is that we're not likely to see anything Smash related, 10ish % chance of that max. However, that's not to say it's impossible. That said though, the type of game emphasized might be telling, but could be a red herring too. Tread with caution here.

Yeah, I'm about 98% certain nothing interesting will happen, that would be best saved for E3. Also, any links to related streams for those, just in case?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Characters aren't added to "promote" things in many cases. If Steve gets in, it's because he's a gaming icon. It's... actually pretty much that simple. We've rarely had picks for the sake of promotion anyway(Roy and Corrin are... it. The rest got in for different reasons).

 

[Guynamednelson]

(Roy and Corrin are... it. The rest got in for different reasons).

Even then, Sakurai needed to be shown how Corrin could be a unique fighter.

 

[Mr. Stagg]

I think Banjo&Kazooie are very unique under the circumstances, and I feel like they are a perfect fit for smash because of it.

1) As far as "unexpected" characters go, they definitely fall under that category. Sure, they have a huge fanbase that loves them and wants to see them revived/in smash, but I'm pretty sure the majority dont EXPECT them. Its not the same. I mean... the games that made them famous (and the ones people loved) came out like 20 years ago. Halo and Minecraft, for example, would be the "expected" franchises to be repped when we look at it that way.

2) They hit a certain sweet spot when it comes to appeal. Nintendo fans love Nintendo because of the cartoony and colorful characters and worlds. Microsoft doesn't really have many characters like that, but Banjo is definitely one of their biggest that fits that mold. You attract newer Nintendo fans that have never heard of him as well as the older fans that never forgot about him.

3) I also think it would be important for Microsoft to establish and elevate more of the characters they own. Banjo-kazooie was one of the best selling N64 games, and Yooka-laylee met its goal within minutes on the mere promise of being like Banjo. The foundation is there. Why not take this opportunity to make Banjo&Kazooie even bigger than they are now? Smash is selling like crazy, and I'm sure many of those fans don't know about our favorite duo. Again, using them as examples, Minecraft and Halo are already huge. I dont feel like they need the extra exposure.

Anyway, that's how I sometimes look at it. Just some of my opinions to share with fellow Banjo-kazooie fans.

How do we know that Banjo and Kazooie will not attract little kids as well? Why shill Minecraft when you can use a more popular character that can be appreceated by both young and older gamers? If the Bear and Bird gained such a great following to last to this day, it would make perfect sense to bring them out in a scene as widely seen like Smash. Minecraft is big enough, they don't need shilling and Nintendo's already made cash money from Switch and Smash sales. Plus Nintendo and the smash team has a good track record in keeping their ear to the ground on what fans want. We were vocal about specific patch notes and in the last update we got them. Nintendo isn't some Magpie that just blindly follows the shiny thing, they get that happy fans = uber sales.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Even then, Sakurai needed to be shown how Corrin could be a unique fighter.

Exactly. Purely promotional picks don't happen. They can be part of the reason of course. But never the whole thing.

Main point being it's very very rare characters have promotion as part of why they were added. I did forget to mention that bit(that you said), though.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Honestly, the only thing of value to add from Minecraft would be stage building. Aside from that, would crafting things in battle really work? For a platformer, it's one thing, but a fighter is a different one.

 

[G83mBoy]

Honestly, the only thing of value to add from Minecraft would be stage building. Aside from that, would crafting things in battle really work? For a platformer, it's one thing, but a fighter is a different one.

There are plenty of iconic Minecraft items and creatures (spawn eggs) that can be used to form Steve's moveset without even going into building / crafting mechanics. You can say that Minecraft fans don't care about Steve as a character, but I imagine that the response would be entirely positive by fans and non-fans alike if he is given a moveset that is a homage to everything Minecraft (utilizing ideas like burning people in furnaces, wolf AI companions, and weapons like tridents).

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

There are plenty of iconic Minecraft items and creatures (spawn eggs) that can be used to form Steve's moveset without even going into building / crafting mechanics. You can say that Minecraft fans don't care about Steve as a character, but I imagine that the response would be entirely positive by fans and non-fans alike if he is given a moveset that is a homage to everything Minecraft (utilizing ideas like burning people in furnaces, wolf AI companions, and weapons like tridents).

On the flipside, only a few spinoff books I've noticed are even about him, so clearly he's not the end-all, be-all of that universe.

Anyway, this is pointless, can we go back to speculating about what the GDC could have?

 

[TheBeastHimself]

At this point, Microsoft, Nintendo, and Rare should all be well aware of the support Banjo has received ever since the 90's. If they are able to collaborate and have a chance of bringing the bear and bird to Smash but decide against it, that would be a huge mistake in my book.

 

[Lycan Rex]

At this point, Microsoft, Nintendo, and Rare should all be well aware of the support Banjo has received ever since the 90's. If they are able to collaborate and have a chance of bringing the bear and bird to Smash but decide against it, that would be a huge mistake in my book.

It would be 2019 super bowl half-time 2.0

Biggest missed opportunity of the century

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

If anything goes wrong, NOA can be directly blamed, like with completely forgetting to include the secret code instructions in the latest Startropics rerelease.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Some of y'all see Minecraft Steve, Creeper etc. as simply shilling.

I see it as hype equal to Banjo-Kazooie's hype.

 

[BZocky]

It would be 2019 super bowl half-time 2.0

Biggest missed opportunity of the century

the only way they could achieve this level of disrespect is if they revealed Banjo-Kazooie coming to Switch in the same direct, preferably as the final announcement prior to the reveal trailer

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

At the end of the day, I just want to see whether any fears are completely unwarranted, because these arguments have become so tiresome that you might as well just use a MyPillow to hibernate for the next few months.

And I realise that I say this in a thread that's specifically about a bear.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Hey, we Spartans now Banjo-Roos, happy 300 pages!

 

[SneakyLink]

Hey, we Spartans now Banjo-Roos, happy 300 pages!

Imagine if Banjo were a character in Halo Infinite!

Rare already gave them a Viva Piñata sound effect so this is step 2.

 

[LogFrog]

If K Rool’s anything to go by, putting Banjo in Smash would definitely make him relevant again.