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Social Banjo-Kazooie Social Thread - Project Dream Come True!

Dan

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i STILL believe my source and they always said their source was only sure of banjo. before the grinch leak my source was thinking box theory and then banjo would be dlc ,so we are back thinking that now. their source had only HEARD the banner characters and also incineroar so they were confused but we figured thats what we'd get after the grinch leak. now its back to just banjo dlc

"heard of all of the characters in this leak, but haven't had any solid proof and weren't sure to believe it until now. The only one they were sure on was Banjo, now they are sure on all. " -Quote about their microsoft source

"firmly in the Ken/Inceneroar/Isabelle camp for the entire time and mostly discredited everything else. The SE rep was 50/50, and I figured Banjo was DLC. It's still almost hard to believe the snapchat leak because it's so much, but we can't disprove it yet. " -quote about how they felt before the grinch leak
So we strongly know 3/5 already (Banjo, Steve and SE rep), but after today, anything is possible.

I could absolutely settle for Geno, Banjo, Steve, Mach Rider and Chorus Kids; that would make up for today's **** show, but Sakurai has completely lost my trust (for better or worse). Time to regroup and process all this.
 

JonSmash

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Nintendo of america have there twitter open to let anyone direct message them GO let them know we want banjo ! everyone on this forum should go wright them about banjo kazooie WE NEED TO CAMPAIGN AGAIN !
 

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Too bad Banjo fans. I felt your loss.

I mean, I don't particularly want Banjo, but he would've been way better than what we ended up getting. None of the characters on the grinch leak were on my wishlist, but at least they were characters. A Pirahna Plant has no business being here at all (although I will admit he looks fun).

You guys may still yet be a frontrunner for DLC. I'm also confident that we WON'T get Steve. Good luck.
 

squirtgar

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tbh I'm still kind of skeptical. Didn't the only source that said Banjo was DLC also claim that the grinch leak was real?
I don't think he said it was real, just rumors. I believe he was from microsoft and said that banjo would for sure eventually be in the game and that he was confused why incineroar wasn't in the grynch leak if it was to be real.
 
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ProjectDream

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Things could be worse, alot worse. Puts us right in the box seat for what we've expected all along; as DLC. Despite getting hopes up, leaks or not, we wanted them in the base game but we all knew deep down DLC was a far more likely outcome in terms of business. A flat license fee as opposed to a percentage of DLC sales to Microsoft is a no brainer to them, they'll take the offer that nets them more money which would be a percentage of sales, and theres no way that would be negotiated on the full game, but on DLC it could.

Couple that with what we know, the okay from Spencer on multiple occasions, the N64 Classic leak w/ Banjo-Kazooie included in the games list, the renewal of the trademark from Nintendo, Phil Spencer having meetings at E3 with Nintendo (Possibly Sakurai himself, I can't recall what was said), what papagenos papagenos source says etc.

We're not out of it yet, I still expect nothing, but hopefully it happens. I don't really understand where people are getting Steve as a playable character from when referencing Vergeben, he's never outright said that was the case. He said Minecraft related content, as to what it is, he's stated multiple times he doesn't know. Its far more likely to me, that a stage, an AT, a spirit or a Mii Fighter Costume is more likely to be part of that bundle when it releases than Steve to be a playable character. I just don't understand why its a constant when people talk about DLC just because Verg mentioned it, its just drawing conclusions that were never confirmed.

But then again, a piranha plant is a fighter, so Steve ain't so far fetched these days, I just think it would be downright malicious to fans if that were to happen over BK, even after everything said on Microsofts end.
 

Dan

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If Sakurai did indeed get the A-okay at E3, it would make more sense for him to just finish Incineroar and have Banjo (a better seller, which he could take his time on) as DLC.

So are you guys gambling on the mystery five or waiting until we know who at least the first character is? I'm waiting, cause after yesterday I wouldn't put anything past them.

But then again, a piranha plant is a fighter, so Steve ain't so far fetched these days, I just think it would be downright malicious to fans if that were to happen over BK, even after everything said on Microsofts end.
Really no different (and less insulting) than Piranha over Geno.
 

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Now that the dust has settled, While I am disappointed that Banjo-Kazooie didn't make the base roster, I was cautiously optimistic so I was prepared for the worst and at the end at least I finally still got King K. Rool (2nd Most Wanted Newcomer) to look forward to who I am really excited to add to my core arsenal of Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong and Greninja.
 
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But then again, a piranha plant is a fighter, so Steve ain't so far fetched these days, I just think it would be downright malicious to fans if that were to happen over BK, even after everything said on Microsofts end.
Minecraft content/some kind of representation he didn't say playable so calm down.

Don’t bring up petty he’s the only joke fighter no one else
 

ChunkySlugger72

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I am coming out of this direct with a very optimistic, half glass full, opportunistic and taking advantage of the moment mindset.

Though this may sound harsh to some people, But this is a Banjo-Kazooie thread so I'm going to tell it like it is, While it sucks what happened yesterday to certain fanbases, I'm not going to mourn the loss of deconfirmed potential newcomers that I didn't care about here.(There's other character threads for that), I'm not taking a jab at other fanbases, What happened yesterday, Happened, It is what it is. I'm just prioritizing and only looking out currently for the only newcomer I care about now and that's Banjo-Kazooie and the way I see it by process of elimination there is less competition for Banjo-Kazooie now seeing how there is now 5 roster slots for DLC, 3rd Party Characters are usually prioritized for DLC and I can only see Nintendo putting 1 maybe 2 1st Party Characters in at best while the rest will likely be 3rd Party Characters.

Banjo-Kazooie is one the last few big names that are still left standing alive and well in a field full of corpses and characters in critical condition after yesterday's massacre and though they seemed to be top 3 for a while, It looks like they may have taken over the #1 spot for most wanted newcomer and 3rd Party as well. I'm looking forward not backwards because If that's what it takes to barely get into Super Smash Bros Ultimate as a DLC fighter, Well then so be it.
 
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This is what veggie burger said

“Except I never backed any Square Enix character. I never listed any of the names I heard it might be either due to how Square Enix handles leaks. But there will be a Square Enix character coming as DLC. Square Enix likes their guests to be DLC. You all should have caught on to this when you look at Square Enix guest characters in others.”

“Minecraft content of some kind will still be utilized to some extent, but it doesn't mean it has to be at launch. Considering that Microsoft owns it and would cut a sweeter deal if it is DLC, that is probably how it will be introduced instead.”


See the difference?

Square fighter
Minecraft content

They are 2 diffent things he did not say fighter.
 

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The Minecraft content could always be some music that would come along with the Microsoft fighter's pack. Assuming Verge's source is right about the Minecraft content I could see this happening.

-Microsoft rep
-Microsoft rep's stage and music
-2 or 3 Minecraft songs
-If Mii costumes are somehow included we could get a Steve sword fighter set
 
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The Minecraft content could always be some music that would come along with the Microsoft fighter's pack. Assuming Verge's source is right about the Minecraft content I could see this happening.

-Microsoft rep
-Microsoft rep's stage and music
-2 or 3 Minecraft songs
-If Mii costumes are somehow included we could get a Steve sword fighter set
I think we already know who will fill that spot for Microsoft rep GUH-HUH!!
 

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I'm hoping if Minecraft content comes, it can come in addition to B-K content. Five character packs is a lot, and I would not suggest we're getting both Minecraft and Banjo-Kazooie fighters, but we potentially could, and if we did, we'd at least have a stage for each... But I can't imagine they'd fill up two of those five slots for Microsoft characters. (Heck, make it three and we can get Halo content too, with Master Chief and a stage)

But if Microsoft is on board, it's possible. Stranger things have happened.
 

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I'm hoping if Minecraft content comes, it can come in addition to B-K content. Five character packs is a lot, and I would not suggest we're getting both Minecraft and Banjo-Kazooie fighters, but we potentially could, and if we did, we'd at least have a stage for each... But I can't imagine they'd fill up two of those five slots for Microsoft characters. (Heck, make it three and we can get Halo content too, with Master Chief and a stage)

But if Microsoft is on board, it's possible. Stranger things have happened.
I honestly could see a 'we'll put Steve in if you let us have Banjo" type of deal going on.
 

MonkeyDLenny

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The ONLY possibility where I can see Minecraft and Banjo co-existing within Smash Ultimate is if say.... Banjo was a character and Steve was a Mii Fighter skin

Beyond that, it's simply a matter of one or the other; and in my eyes Minecraft has the better shot. Minecraft is the FLAGSHIP of Nintendo and Microsoft's new partnership, why WOULDN'T they try to promote that even harder?

Also


It's going to take TWO YEARS for them to finish every fighter. Banjo's relevancy is just going to degrade more and more as time goes on, while Minecraft has cemented itself firmly, especially with the talks of a potential movie coming.

I just don't see it happening guys
 
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The ONLY possibility where I can see Minecraft and Banjo co-existing within Smash Ultimate is if say.... Banjo was a character and Steve was a Mii Fighter skin

Beyond that, it's simply a matter of one or the other; and in my eyes Minecraft has the better shot. Minecraft is the FLAGSHIP of Nintendo and Microsoft's new partnership, why WOULDN'T they try to promote that even harder?

Also


It's going to take TWO YEARS for them to finish every fighter. Banjo's relevancy is just going to degrade more and more as time goes on, while Minecraft has cemented itself firmly, especially with the talks of a potential movie coming.

I just don't see it happening guys
:facepalm:
We already just went over this have you not been paying attention?

CONTENT


NOT FIGHTER


JUST CONTENT
 
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JonSmash

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HOW IS IT GOING TO TAKE 2 YEARS ! to develop just 5 characters ? thats BS heck the smash 4 DLC was developed faster HECK look how much was added to smash ultimate in the short time it took to make that game.

MAN sakurai NEEDS to stop bulding smash games from the ground up & just add more characters & build of of ultimate
 

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HOW IS IT GOING TO TAKE 2 YEARS ! to develop just 5 characters ? thats BS heck the smash 4 DLC was developed faster HECK look how much was added to smash ultimate in the short time it took to make that game.

MAN sakurai NEEDS to stop bulding smash games from the ground up & just add more characters & build of of ultimate
They probably used the time after making the actual base roster and deciding what should and shouldn't be in the game to make some progress on the DLC characters. Characters like Lucas and Roy also have semiclone status which means the time spent on them is not going to take as long as time spent on other characters. Note that Bayonetta was included as the Ballot pick for Smash 4 despite other characters likely scoring higher on the poll (and Sakurai specifically noted that) which means that Bayonetta was likely the character they could immediately begin working on when initial results came in.
 

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The ONLY possibility where I can see Minecraft and Banjo co-existing within Smash Ultimate is if say.... Banjo was a character and Steve was a Mii Fighter skin

Beyond that, it's simply a matter of one or the other; and in my eyes Minecraft has the better shot. Minecraft is the FLAGSHIP of Nintendo and Microsoft's new partnership, why WOULDN'T they try to promote that even harder?

Also


It's going to take TWO YEARS for them to finish every fighter. Banjo's relevancy is just going to degrade more and more as time goes on, while Minecraft has cemented itself firmly, especially with the talks of a potential movie coming.

I just don't see it happening guys
Dude, we got K. Rool. Relevancy doesn't matter. And if they went to Microsoft AT ALL, it's impossible that they weren't thinking of Banjo-Kazooie. Heck, when Sakurai contacted Square, he didn't ask for Lightning, a more relevant character, no, he asked for the more popular and less relevant character, the one everybody had been asking for.

But if you've got Microsoft on board, why stop with just one IP? Both Minecraft and Banjo-Kazooie is a win for everyone involved, and I don't think it's necessary to have one over the other either.
 

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:facepalm:
We already just went over this have you not been paying attention?

CONTENT


NOT FIGHTER


JUST CONTENT
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It's not that I don't get what you're saying, because I do. But a fighter IS content, and now it's starting to come out that a playable character IS more likely, especially with how we found out how the DLC will be packaged as Stage, Character, Music
 
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It's not that I don't get what you're saying, because I do. But a fighter IS content, and now it's starting to come out that a playable character IS more likely, especially with how we found out how the DLC will be packaged as Stage, Character, Music
Well we’re f***ed


Bye guys


Ok nvm
 
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Microsoft on board only helps, so if it means both Steve and Banjo-Kazooie, so be it, we get both stages too. It's not like we haven't had two DLC newcomers announced at once before either.
 

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The ONLY possibility where I can see Minecraft and Banjo co-existing within Smash Ultimate is if say.... Banjo was a character and Steve was a Mii Fighter skin

Beyond that, it's simply a matter of one or the other; and in my eyes Minecraft has the better shot. Minecraft is the FLAGSHIP of Nintendo and Microsoft's new partnership, why WOULDN'T they try to promote that even harder?

Also


It's going to take TWO YEARS for them to finish every fighter. Banjo's relevancy is just going to degrade more and more as time goes on, while Minecraft has cemented itself firmly, especially with the talks of a potential movie coming.

I just don't see it happening guys
Using math, that is only going to be 15 months after release date, not two years. Getting a character every 3 months is actually pretty reasonable considering they're making each dlc character from scratch. I don't see how banjo would lose credibility over time. As Sakurai said, we won't know who the characters will be, making me believe that they've already planned them out by using past fan preferences. I'm annoyed with how pissy everyone is about their character they wanted not making it in. Yeah, I was more than thrilled that I got K. Rool, but would've been satisfied with the roster we've gotten so far. I mean, people never thought Ridley was possible, and then he added Simon and Richter. Plus, WE'RE GETTING OVER 70 CHARACTERS. Maybe Piranha Plant was something that Sakurai wanted to do for HIS own pleasure. It's been in so many games, and his moveset makes complete sense if you've played the Mario series in depth. Anyway, like I said, I'm almost positive that the DLC has already been decided on, that's why he worded things the way he did. But damn, 5 DLC characters is a great amount, so people shouldn't be sulking over their characters because we had a lot of them deconfirmed yesterday and they still have a good chance. BK is my second dream of a character, and I believe that they have a good chance of being in still. A year's time is not that long, so we're just going to have to wait.
 
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The way I see it, unless Steve is the final character revealed and Banjo-Kazooie weren't revealed beforehand, then there's still a good chance that they're DLC; despite what some of you have claimed in regards to Piranha Plant, Sakurai does listen to the fans, and the likes of Ridley, Simon, and King K. Rool proves this. He has to be at least somewhat aware of how much people want Banjo-Kazooie in the game, and I can honestly see a scenario where two of the packs are Banjo-Kazooie and Steve respectively, and honestly, I'd be completely fine with that! So, I want you guys to calm down, wait and see what happens, and not immediately go into despair mode if Steve DOES get announced...unless, like I said, he's the final announcement and Banjo-Kazooie are nowhere to be seen; at that point, I might even join in to an extent, but until that day comes, please try to keep your emotions in check.
 

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I don't feel that optimistic tbh. I mean at the beginning Sakurai showed signs that he was going full fan-service (everyone is here, Ridley and Rool) but after this last direct he threw everything by the window. The game is still gonna be awesome, but why the hell would you show the moon assist trophy alone and make people hope for Skull kid? Why would you not confirm Isaac status as Assist trophy at the beginning like Ashley or Waluigi? Why would you put a ****ing plant (which actually looks cool and fun to me, just the timing wasn't the best one) as a representative of the Mario series and as a limited offer instead of Geno one of the most requested characters? I don't know guys maybe the ballot was just a scam because he just took Rool and nobody else from it. I really hope Banjo and Kazooie make it as DLC but I don't feel that sure right now. The only thing that can lift my hopes up is a N64 classic announcement with BK (& BT) included.
 

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Using math, that is only going to be 15 months after release date, not two years. Getting a character every 3 months is actually pretty reasonable considering they're making each dlc character from scratch. I don't see how banjo would lose credibility over time. As Sakurai said, we won't know who the characters will be, making me believe that they've already planned them out by using past fan preferences. I'm annoyed with how pissy everyone is about their character they wanted not making it in. Yeah, I was more than thrilled that I got K. Rool, but would've been satisfied with the roster we've gotten so far. I mean, people never thought Ridley was possible, and then he added Simon and Richter. Plus, WE'RE GETTING OVER 70 CHARACTERS. Maybe Piranha Plant was something that Sakurai wanted to do for HIS own pleasure. It's been in so many games, and his moveset makes complete sense if you've played the Mario series in depth. Anyway, like I said, I'm almost positive that the DLC has already been decided on, that's why he worded things the way he did. But damn, 5 DLC characters is a great amount, so people shouldn't be sulking over their characters because we had a lot of them deconfirmed yesterday and they still have a good chance. BK is my second dream of a character, and I believe that they have a good chance of being in still. A year's time is not that long, so we're just going to have to wait.
For the record, Sakurai straight up confirmed in the Direct that the DLC Fighters were decided on back in 2015 when the game's development began, which I believe was right around when the Ballot was active, so I imagine that fan-favorites played a big role in that decision. Also, I'm pretty damn sure that in this case, the "relevancy" argument holds little to no water, and I can honestly see both Steve and Banjo-Kazooie getting in, especially since other companies have two characters in the game: Snake and Simon for Konami, Sonic and (maybe?) Bayonetta for Sega, Mega Man and Ryu for Capcom, and if Vergeben's source proves legit (which, after the Direct, seems likely), then Square Enix will be provideing a second character alongside Cloud. So, with that in mind, I can honestly see Microsoft and Nintendo cutting a deal where they'll be allowed Banjo-Kazooie as one of the DLC packs...as long as another one is Minecraft-centric.
 

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Just because Phil could of potentially had talks about getting Banjo into Smash doesn't mean Banjo would get in. Phil Spencer is under an NDA imo, so he can't talk about Banjo being in Smash even if Banjo isn't in Smash. How I came to this conclusion? I had to sign an NDA before I could be interviewed by Microsoft for the position of SDET on Fable Legends. I didn't get the job but I had an idea of its fate before anyone else. So I can imagine that a meeting was held about having Banjo in Smash. Nintendo makes Phil sign an NDA. They could potentially agree/disagree on having Banjo in. No one can talk about it until the terms are up.
 

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Another thing, Sakurai personally likes Minecraft. Again, Piranha Plant proves he can do whatever he wants, and I feel like he might want to do what HE wants instead of bowing to fan demand.

If he likes Minecraft, then that's what we'll probably get
 

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PapaGenos' source's source was still only sure about Banjo-Kazooie being DLC.

Maybe we'll get B-K with a Minecraft stage, or Minecraft and B-K as two separate DLC packs.
Why are we trusting Papa Geno's? His source isnt even the primary source, he's never accurately leaked something, and he was completely wrong about the Grinch leak
 

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Another thing, Sakurai personally likes Minecraft. Again, Piranha Plant proves he can do whatever he wants, and I feel like he might want to do what HE wants instead of bowing to fan demand.

If he likes Minecraft, then that's what we'll probably get
And then we can get Banjo-Kazooie, because at that point absolutely nothing is stopping him from doing so. The biggest hurdle was and has always been the rights, and with Minecraft, they have the rights. So I don't see how this is a bad thing. It's only helping B-K's chances having Microsoft on board. If we didn't have Microsoft on board, we'd be in a worse position.
 

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Because Papa's only goal is to figure out the roster; he isn't in it for the money, he isn't in it for the fame.
 

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Why are we trusting Papa Geno's? His source isnt even the primary source, he's never accurately leaked something, and he was completely wrong about the Grinch leak
Papa geno's source never actually provided evidence for the grynch leak, just supported it because it made sence to them. He said that it would make sence but that the only characters they were sure of were incineroar (why they were confused about the grynch leak), Ken and Banjo. All the other characters were just speculation to his source. he even said in his videos.
 
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