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Bandana Dee, the Spear Master! (v(- ' ' -)>↑ ~ Dee wait is killing us...

Do you want Bandana Dee in SSB4?


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What is you guys favourite Kirby games? For me, I would say either say either The Amazing Mirror or Triple Deluxe. Mirror for customization, smash references, and multiple Kirbys (more than one Kirby is always awesome) whereas Triple Deluxe had fun subgames, an out of nowhere final boss, Bandana Dee, and references to The Amazing Mirror.
Triple Deluxe and Return to Dreamland.
I have a question for you guys, what is your favorite and least favorite boss(es) in the Kirby series?
Favorites
Queen Sectonia: Her design and her backstory is beautiful, great battle themes, always fun to fight.
Masked Dedede: Amazing theme, love fighting him.
Galacta Knight: Same as Masked Dedede.
Dark Meta Knight: Same as Masked Dedede, here's hoping we don't wait another a decade to see him again.
Least favorites
Zero Two: Easily the most overrated Kirby boss, his theme isn't even that good.
Dark Nebula: Easiest boss in Squeak Squad,heck even King Dedede was a harder boss than him.
 
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Triple Deluxe and Return to Dreamland.
I have a question for you guys, what is your favorite and least favorite boss(es) in the Kirby series?
Favorites
Queen Sectonia: Her design and her backstory is beautiful, great battle themes, always fun to fight.
Masked Dedede: Amazing theme, love fighting him.
Galacta Knight: Same as Masked Dedede.
Dark Meta Knight: Same as Masked Dedede, here's hoping we don't wait another a decade to see him again.
Least favorites
Zero Two: Easily the most overrated Kirby boss, his theme isn't even that good.
Dark Nebula: Easiest boss in Squeak Squad,heck even King Dedede was a harder boss than him.
Favorites:
- Masked Dedede
- Queen Sectonia
- Marx
- Magolor
All are either cool, have great themes or plot twists (though I guesses that Magolor was evil).
Least favorites:
- Whispy Woods (boring)
- Bandana Dee (I DON'T WANT TO KILL HIM)
- That fire frog from Triple Deluxe (annoying)
- Galacta Knight (badass, but so many failed attempts at KSSU's True Arena)
- Wham Bam Jewel (see above, but also in Helper to Hero)
- Meta Knight (failed attempts in Helper to Hero)
 

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What is you guys favourite Kirby games?
The original Kirby's Dream Land and Kirby Super Deluxe* are my absolute favourites. I also really like Kirby Triple Deluxe, as I feel that it's the modern-day successor of these two titles (as well as more obviously being one of the descendants of Kirby 64).

*"Super Deluxe?" you say. Some trivia for the trivia fans: Whilst Hoshi no Kirby Super Deluxe was renamed to Kirby Super Star for the North American market, it was originally set to retain the name Kirby Super Deluxe in Europe. All press coverage used that name until the very last minute just before the game's release in January of 1997, whereupon it was renamed to "Kirby's Fun Pak" (I was so used to Kirby Super Deluxe by then, that I've never been able to stop using that name :laugh:). This is not only a terrible name, but it was the first instance of the stupid renamings that several Kirby titles have suffered in Europe since then. (It's debatable as to whether Kirby's Avalanche being renamed to Kirby's Ghost Trap counts as one of these, so I tend to mark "Kirby's Fun Pak" as the first, and definitely the worst. The rule of thumb is, if it makes you cringe, it's one of those. ;))
 
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Triple Deluxe and Return to Dreamland.
I have a question for you guys, what is your favorite and least favorite boss(es) in the Kirby series?
Favorites
Queen Sectonia: Her design and her backstory is beautiful, great battle themes, always fun to fight.
Masked Dedede: Amazing theme, love fighting him.
Galacta Knight: Same as Masked Dedede.
Dark Meta Knight: Same as Masked Dedede, here's hoping we don't wait another a decade to see him again.
Least favorites
Zero Two: Easily the most overrated Kirby boss, his theme isn't even that good.
Dark Nebula: Easiest boss in Squeak Squad,heck even King Dedede was a harder boss than him.
I haven't played many Kirby games, so I have a small selection to choose from.
Favourites:
Masked Dedede's Revenge: Sweet Music, Good way to experience what I never played.
Dark MK's Revenge: Sweet Music, Seemed easier than in Mirror.
Dedede (Kirby's Dream Land): Was difficult due to that being my first Kirby game
EDIT: DDD 64: The music is great, a medley of Dedede themes. It starts with an 8 bit version of the intro to Masked Dedede, goes into KDL Dedede, to KA Boss battle, to the Dedede batlle in, of all games, Kirby's Dream Course, then ends on Masked Dedede's. The battle is hectic and the reward is Shadow Kirby.
:dedede:x64 is difficult. Granted, the first 61 are essentially OHKO's. But the above music kicks in when you hit the last 3 and it feels so awesome.

Least Favs:
Nightmare (orb): I done the same thing each time but I somehow succeeded once. Plus, the atmosphere re-entry was fkin annoying.
Mega Titan: Interesting concept, but hard-to-dodge attacks combined with one-hit-lose-ability was irritating.
Dark Mind (1st form, stage 4): The ice was WAY too annoying compared to the rest of the battle.
Dark MK: Aforementioned one-hit-lose-ability + too difficult to dodge and anticipate attacks (example, will it be slow dodgeable tornado or fast unavoidable tornado + ability to block = one WAY too long fight.

EDIT: I have played:
Kirby's Dream Land
Kirby's Adventure
Kirby's Dream Land 2
Kirby's Star Stacker
Kirby & The Amazing Mirror
Kirby Triple Deluxe
Kirby Fighters Deluxe
 
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The deetractors are questioning Dee's uniqueness in the Character Discussion thread... I feel so weak when I can't prove their arguments wrong myself, as the "no spear-users in Smash" explanation is not enough for them. :( Luckily Chandelure does good job at defending Dee.
 

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Favorite Kirby games: return to dreamland, squeak squad, triple deluxe and 64.
Favorite bosses: magolor,krako-triple deluxe, masked dedede- triple deluxe, miracle matter
 

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Ok so, @ Chandeelure Chandeelure redirected me there (I really didn't think I would come here considering how subjective my concerns are).

Basically, I was reading the OP as I had some concerns on his possible playstyle.

And the OP kinda confirmed these concerns. Basically, I have not much problem with potential, you could work something out.

My main problem is how they would add together. in other words, how it would FEEL like.

In several articles from source gaming, particularly the one about he GDC slides, there is a huge emphasis on how the characters feels. It;s mostly to have a consistency with the source material so even though it is CLEARLY not the source material, it should FEEL like it.

A good example is G&W, the reason he is ALWAYS perfectly facing the player and has visually laggy animations is to replicate the G&W limitations. It's not a G&W, but it feels like it.

what should matter at the most is how well defined these are. So much that you could literally be able to summarize the whole playstyle into a very short sentences (even few words if possible).

Where it comes to bdee is that I get that he would use his spear, but i don;t really draw a particular feel out of it. The only thing i can draw is that it is spear based, but it just isn't enough for me to say it feels soemthing clearly defined.

For example, you could argue little mac is mostly punch based. if you would only say this, than maybe I would be questioning the point. If you go more deep and say that being a boxer, he would be more agressive and fast on ground, you start to get somewhere where I COULD feel it;s more than just punches, but that there's actually a meaning.

Like, the real chrom problem was that Sakurai did tried, and couldn't find a clear definition not already taken.

So, my question is:

Can anyone have a clear playstyle definition of him?

Thanks, btw, just reminding you that playstyle is very subjective because it's related to how it feels, not what he is :)
 

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Ok so, @ Chandeelure Chandeelure redirected me there (I really didn't think I would come here considering how subjective my concerns are).

Basically, I was reading the OP as I had some concerns on his possible playstyle.

And the OP kinda confirmed these concerns. Basically, I have not much problem with potential, you could work something out.

My main problem is how they would add together. in other words, how it would FEEL like.

In several articles from source gaming, particularly the one about he GDC slides, there is a huge emphasis on how the characters feels. It;s mostly to have a consistency with the source material so even though it is CLEARLY not the source material, it should FEEL like it.

A good example is G&W, the reason he is ALWAYS perfectly facing the player and has visually laggy animations is to replicate the G&W limitations. It's not a G&W, but it feels like it.

what should matter at the most is how well defined these are. So much that you could literally be able to summarize the whole playstyle into a very short sentences (even few words if possible).

Where it comes to bdee is that I get that he would use his spear, but i don;t really draw a particular feel out of it. The only thing i can draw is that it is spear based, but it just isn't enough for me to say it feels soemthing clearly defined.

For example, you could argue little mac is mostly punch based. if you would only say this, than maybe I would be questioning the point. If you go more deep and say that being a boxer, he would be more agressive and fast on ground, you start to get somewhere where I COULD feel it;s more than just punches, but that there's actually a meaning.

Like, the real chrom problem was that Sakurai did tried, and couldn't find a clear definition not already taken.

So, my question is:

Can anyone have a clear playstyle definition of him?

Thanks, btw, just reminding you that playstyle is very subjective because it's related to how it feels, not what he is :)
I can not express the joy I have since you came here fist down ^.^

Here this could define his playstyle


https://bandanaballot.wordpress.com...na-waddle-dee-has-amazing-gameplay-potential/
 

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Can anyone have a clear playstyle definition of him?

Thanks, btw, just reminding you that playstyle is very subjective because it's related to how it feels, not what he is :)
It would save me a lot of typing if I could direct you to this article. Hopefully it'll answer what you're looking for.

In fact, I'd really like it if you could read this. As far as I'm aware of, you're the first person not directly in support of BWD that I've asked to read this. That kind of feedback would mean a lot given you would likely be a lot more objective about it than most people here.

Edit: :4greninja:'d. I was the guy who wrote it, though. :smirk:
 
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What is you guys favourite Kirby games? For me, I would say either say either The Amazing Mirror or Triple Deluxe. Mirror for customization, smash references, and multiple Kirbys (more than one Kirby is always awesome) whereas Triple Deluxe had fun subgames, an out of nowhere final boss, Bandana Dee, and references to The Amazing Mirror.
Return to Dreamland, Crystal Shards, and Squeak Squad. Dededetour as well if you count that as a separate game.
 
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I have a question for you guys, what is your favorite and least favorite boss(es) in the Kirby series?
Favorites
Queen Sectonia: Her design and her backstory is beautiful, great battle themes, always fun to fight.
Masked Dedede: Amazing theme, love fighting him.
Galacta Knight: Same as Masked Dedede.
Dark Meta Knight: Same as Masked Dedede, here's hoping we don't wait another a decade to see him again.
Least favorites
Zero Two: Easily the most overrated Kirby boss, his theme isn't even that good.
Dark Nebula: Easiest boss in Squeak Squad,heck even King Dedede was a harder boss than him.
Favorites: Paintra
Kracko (TD version)
Paint Roller (Adventure)
Metal General
Dedede Mech (Scope Shot)

Least Favorites: Bohboh (too hard)
Dark Nebula (too easy)
Bandana Dee (KSSU, he's just so cute, I never want to hurt Waddle Dees.)
 

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I really like the Meta Knight battle in Epic Yarn. Not only was it the only challenging fight in the game, but the track was amazing as well.
 

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Queen Sectonia: ...what do I need to say
Kabula: I LOVE THIS THEME AND BATTLE
Dark Meta Knight: I love any form of Sword fighters battles
Galacta Knight: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Meta Knight: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Bandana Dee: I found him a funny fight little did I know he would become a major character
Kracko: As long as the skies hang above Dreamland Kracko will always be their
Drawcia: Why people want Adeliene in Smash I want her in Smash UNIQUE
Paintra: Love her, she's cute....in a paintbrush way.
Dyna Blade: Metal Bird that breathes fire.
Mr. Sun and Mr. Moon....I think: UNIQUE
Dedede-ificult
Pyribbit:^^^

UHH...

Marx: Betrayal I didn't expect (first Kirby game)
Zero & Dark Matter: SPPOOOKY

I love hate Nightmare orb...he was so...interesting yet annoying when I hit the ground and....I don't know


Least Favorties:
Magolor: Not challenging or interesting (except for when he blocked the Sword) IMO, I still didn't expect the betrayal.... I hate how he returns
02: Miracle Matter did it's job very well
Dark Nebula: Self explanatory
Dark Mind: ...

 

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wow, I never expected to have so much different reactions here than the replies given on the char thread.....

It would save me a lot of typing if I could direct you to this article. Hopefully it'll answer what you're looking for.

In fact, I'd really like it if you could read this. As far as I'm aware of, you're the first person not directly in support of BWD that I've asked to read this. That kind of feedback would mean a lot given you would likely be a lot more objective about it than most people here.

Edit: :4greninja:'d. I was the guy who wrote it, though. :smirk:
Hi robert, didn't talked to you since a long time actually :)

Tbh, this is weird, I just am neutral on literally anyone but paper mario. it just surprises me that i point these concern completely neutral (I actually only wanted to know to evaluate chances) and feel I;m the only one that does.

I mean don;t get me wrong, but usually, you would see more neutral people.....usually. In fact, I even saw people that feels like they don;t want paper mario while in actuality, they are more neutral than anything :)

So it really surprises me that I was the first....

What I'm noticing is that they ignore things and focus on somebody else
....not really, I actually do think the replies people JUST made on the char thread were about the same points. Maybe you misunderstood, but I actually am talking with one of the person you replied to and he pretty much had the exact same concern as me. Like, the points isn't that he has ONE thing that another characters has, it's that I need to see a point to have that that IS NOT like the other character. To me, if I say that mewtwo and g&w are floaty, completely irrelevant, what is relevant is WHY.

Pretty much me and kenith meant the same thing, I just got a bit more deep because that's how I am, exhaustive :)

Typical... you finally provide evidence that Dee would have an unique playstyle and they suddenly stop caring about it.
not for me though :)

I can not express the joy I have since you came here fist down ^.^

Here this could define his playstyle


https://bandanaballot.wordpress.com...na-waddle-dee-has-amazing-gameplay-potential/
Again still am shocked, but now, let me finally get tot he point of the article.

I really get the idea, but I am quite torn (wanted to do a paper pun :( ).

Basically, the idea is that he would try to control the characters AND try to bring them at a disadvantage on the ground.

This is, feasible and although his potential doesn't limit him to do that, but I still feel that I somehow heard that before. Maybe it's because when I play some character, I feel they are centered on trying to move the opponents or aka control them. The thing that would make bdee stands out is the fact that he will try to bring them on the ground.....which alone is fine, it just doesn't impress me much.

The thing I want to bring up is compromise here. Like I said above, I only ask to evaluate chances and this is where I start to get a bit iffy. let me just do some examples because it is relative based.

If you have a semi clone, you loose in variety, but you gain in less effort and less risk to increase the workflow, aka, it requires less effort. If you have a character that is VERY important recently and people said to find the idea interesting, that the semi clone despite not offering much variety starts to worth a lot more than if it was an already repped subset. Btw, I consider repping as subset, not directly related to series, but it's more everything that defines the role of the character such as rosalina being the galaxy subset "deleguate".

Another way to see this is G&w, I really have a lot of reasons to think it required more though and effort to come up with the idea, but at the same time, it contributed so much to the variety that it was worth in the end.

bdee has absolutely no issues in his subset (but again, rare are the one that has one), but my problem is the compromise. I know this Op told A LOT of reasons as to why he is important in his series and as a whole, but here comes the real question: is he important ENOUGH to warrant what he would bring?

And tbh, I am leaning towards no here. he is important, don;t get me wrong, but considering what he adds, it just needs to go further. I get that bringing characters to the ground while controlling him sounds something interesting, but I would expect a deeper definition than this to go through the trouble of making him considering his importance. And actually, I could even go to say that his popularity could affect this, sure he is popular, but is it enough to worth the playstyle? I could list relative comparison and try to sort of make a priority list and compare their compromise and tbh, bdee might not be THAT high, especially considering that right now, slots are really limited (I expect 2 and 3 at most, 4 it starts to get unlikely to me).

So I have 2 way to see this.

On its own, it does sounds worthy, you could do interesting stuff with it.

But with relatively comparing to other candidates and bdee compromise, I don't think it's interesting ENOUGH. It just doesn't convince me that much.

The other way you do have to consider is actually what the subset addition would add. Sure, it is well defined and would be much closer to addition than redundancy, but considering what the kirby franchise has now, it just decreases the value he would have to me. Doesn't mean he's not deserving, but it's just not giving an interesting compromise.

So there, I think you could do something interesting on its own, but priority and compromise are factors that affects this in a way that I think outweigh the good he would bring.

Thanks for reading :)
 

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wow, I never expected to have so much different reactions here than the replies given on the char thread.....


Hi robert, didn't talked to you since a long time actually :)

Tbh, this is weird, I just am neutral on literally anyone but paper mario. it just surprises me that i point these concern completely neutral (I actually only wanted to know to evaluate chances) and feel I;m the only one that does.

I mean don;t get me wrong, but usually, you would see more neutral people.....usually. In fact, I even saw people that feels like they don;t want paper mario while in actuality, they are more neutral than anything :)

So it really surprises me that I was the first....


....not really, I actually do think the replies people JUST made on the char thread were about the same points. Maybe you misunderstood, but I actually am talking with one of the person you replied to and he pretty much had the exact same concern as me. Like, the points isn't that he has ONE thing that another characters has, it's that I need to see a point to have that that IS NOT like the other character. To me, if I say that mewtwo and g&w are floaty, completely irrelevant, what is relevant is WHY.

Pretty much me and kenith meant the same thing, I just got a bit more deep because that's how I am, exhaustive :)


not for me though :)


Again still am shocked, but now, let me finally get tot he point of the article.

I really get the idea, but I am quite torn (wanted to do a paper pun :( ).

Basically, the idea is that he would try to control the characters AND try to bring them at a disadvantage on the ground.

This is, feasible and although his potential doesn't limit him to do that, but I still feel that I somehow heard that before. Maybe it's because when I play some character, I feel they are centered on trying to move the opponents or aka control them. The thing that would make bdee stands out is the fact that he will try to bring them on the ground.....which alone is fine, it just doesn't impress me much.

The thing I want to bring up is compromise here. Like I said above, I only ask to evaluate chances and this is where I start to get a bit iffy. let me just do some examples because it is relative based.

If you have a semi clone, you loose in variety, but you gain in less effort and less risk to increase the workflow, aka, it requires less effort. If you have a character that is VERY important recently and people said to find the idea interesting, that the semi clone despite not offering much variety starts to worth a lot more than if it was an already repped subset. Btw, I consider repping as subset, not directly related to series, but it's more everything that defines the role of the character such as rosalina being the galaxy subset "deleguate".

Another way to see this is G&w, I really have a lot of reasons to think it required more though and effort to come up with the idea, but at the same time, it contributed so much to the variety that it was worth in the end.

bdee has absolutely no issues in his subset (but again, rare are the one that has one), but my problem is the compromise. I know this Op told A LOT of reasons as to why he is important in his series and as a whole, but here comes the real question: is he important ENOUGH to warrant what he would bring?

And tbh, I am leaning towards no here. he is important, don;t get me wrong, but considering what he adds, it just needs to go further. I get that bringing characters to the ground while controlling him sounds something interesting, but I would expect a deeper definition than this to go through the trouble of making him considering his importance. And actually, I could even go to say that his popularity could affect this, sure he is popular, but is it enough to worth the playstyle? I could list relative comparison and try to sort of make a priority list and compare their compromise and tbh, bdee might not be THAT high, especially considering that right now, slots are really limited (I expect 2 and 3 at most, 4 it starts to get unlikely to me).

So I have 2 way to see this.

On its own, it does sounds worthy, you could do interesting stuff with it.

But with relatively comparing to other candidates and bdee compromise, I don't think it's interesting ENOUGH. It just doesn't convince me that much.

The other way you do have to consider is actually what the subset addition would add. Sure, it is well defined and would be much closer to addition than redundancy, but considering what the kirby franchise has now, it just decreases the value he would have to me. Doesn't mean he's not deserving, but it's just not giving an interesting compromise.

So there, I think you could do something interesting on its own, but priority and compromise are factors that affects this in a way that I think outweigh the good he would bring.

Thanks for reading :)
While I was agreeing with you for a while...the compromise is something where you lost me..as the thing could be said for Meta Knight as a character himself has NOTHING to make him special to the Smash scene even in the series he comes from nothing makes him special he is just this mysterious swordmen...his role in the series...is questionable.

As fans we can only do so much to make Bandana Dee look good in the eyes of others.
 

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While I was agreeing with you for a while...the compromise is something where you lost me..as the thing could be said for Meta Knight as a character himself has NOTHING to make him special to the Smash scene even in the series he comes from nothing makes him special he is just this mysterious swordmen...his role in the series...is questionable.

As fans we can only do so much to make Bandana Dee look good in the eyes of others.
the point is not the role, it;s what he reflects.

If mk was pretty much not really relevant in the series int he first place, than I would agree, but I do get the idea that he does reflect something that wasn't reflected yet and is a considerable part of the series.

The point here is just to not get into redundancy. Mk just doesn't and tbh, I think we have to disagree on what it brings in smash because tbh, he does feel VERY varied.

Not to mention one thing, if you would only have kirby and DDD, I could get why it could worth more to add mk.

Oh yeah, I actually didn't bring this up, but one important thing is that it becomes harder to find good additions as the roster grows.

Anyway, this subset logic is honestly quite complex to explain, but it's more based on what it reflects and this CAN change because it is an abstraction of something. If I take toon link, he is the delegate of the toon style of the zelda franchise. It;s like he would "own" that part, but you could say that add tetra to reflect here pirate style and toon link is now just the hero side or something (really, it is not explicit at all).

Mk to me does reflect something that adds to the kirby franchise enough to get why he was added int he first place.

The thing is, bdee does too, but it;s more a matter of which contributes more to the variety. You might disagree, but I do think mk contributes more to the variety than bdee does.
 

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the point is not the role, it;s what he reflects.

If mk was pretty much not really relevant in the series int he first place, than I would agree, but I do get the idea that he does reflect something that wasn't reflected yet and is a considerable part of the series.

The point here is just to not get into redundancy. Mk just doesn't and tbh, I think we have to disagree on what it brings in smash because tbh, he does feel VERY varied.

Not to mention one thing, if you would only have kirby and DDD, I could get why it could worth more to add mk.

Oh yeah, I actually didn't bring this up, but one important thing is that it becomes harder to find good additions as the roster grows.

Anyway, this subset logic is honestly quite complex to explain, but it's more based on what it reflects and this CAN change because it is an abstraction of something. If I take toon link, he is the delegate of the toon style of the zelda franchise. It;s like he would "own" that part, but you could say that add tetra to reflect here pirate style and toon link is now just the hero side or something (really, it is not explicit at all).

Mk to me does reflect something that adds to the kirby franchise enough to get why he was added int he first place.

The thing is, bdee does too, but it;s more a matter of which contributes more to the variety. You might disagree, but I do think mk contributes more to the variety than bdee does.
[Insert blank stare here]

(I'd argue but I'm not sure what he is talking about. I think it's something along the lines of Bandana Dee not being important enough to warrant only a semi-unique moveset.)
 
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[Insert blank stare here]

(I'd argue but I'm not sure what he is talking about. I think it's something along the lines of Bandana Dee not being important enough to warrant only a semi-unique moveset.)
It is annoying to explain to be perfectly honest.

but if you would really take it roughly, yeah.

It;s just that I was trying to clarify what I meant by importance here, I don;t see an issue of him being redundancy in representation, he could reflect what isn't already.

This is all again, considering the other candidates, alone, it;s perfectly fine as it is :)
 

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Bandana Dee is rather like Daisy, Waluigi, Simon Belmont or just about any Grass Type Starter in that he fills a thematic whole in roster reps. In his case, the cast of Return to Dreamland.

One question, if he got in where would he appear in All Star? '92 with Dreamland where Waddles Dees debuted period? '96 with Super Star? 08 with ultra? or 2011 with Return to Dreamland. I mean Ganondorf is down as being an Ocarina debut but Ganon goes back to Zelda 1.
 
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One question, if he got in where would he appear in All Star? '92 with Dreamland where Waddles Dees debuted period? '96 with Super Star? 08 with ultra? or 2011 with Return to Dreamland. I mean Ganondorf is down as being an Ocarina debut but Ganon goes back to Zelda 1.
It'd definitely be 1996, since that's when the character himself debuted.
 
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Bandana Dee is rather like Daisy, Waluigi or ust about any Grass Type Starter in that he fills a thematic whole in roster reps. In his case, the cast of Return to Dreamland.

One question, if he got in where would he appear in All Star? '92 with Dreamland where Waddles Dees debuted period? '96 with Super Star? 08 with ultra? or 2011 with Return to Dreamland. I mean Ganondorf is down as being an Ocarina debut but Ganon goes back to Zelda 1.
1. I support Bandana Dee because I like him, not because of some silly theme.
2. I support Ivysaur because I want my veterans back, not because of some stupid "trinity".
3. I don't know exactly, but was Ocarina of Time when he was first called Ganondorf instead of Ganon? If so, then I think Ganon and Ganondorf are treated as a different person. (Much like how I treat each Link as a different person but the same entity if that makes any sense to you.)
 
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1. I support Bandana Dee because I like him, not because of some silly theme.
2. I support Ivysaur because I want my veterans back, not because of some stupid "trinity".
3. I don't know exactly, but was Ocarina of Time when he was first called Ganondorf instead of Ganon? If so, then I think Ganon and Ganondorf are treated as a different person. (Much like how I treat each Link as a different person but the same entity if that makes any sense to you.)
A. Don't take it personally I'm taking in general.
B. I was referring to Sceptile's burst in popularity around the time Greninja was revealed.
C. He was called Ganondorf in Link to the Past but he's the same character. It's the difference between Sonic and Super Sonic, not Vader and Skywalker.
 

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A. Don't take it personally I'm taking in general.
B. I was referring to Sceptile's burst in popularity around the time Greninja was revealed.
C. He was called Ganondorf in Link to the Past but he's the same character. It's the difference between Sonic and Super Sonic, not Vader and Skywalker.
Do. OK
Re. I never liked the idea of Sceptile in smash. But that's irrelevant here.
Mi. Then I don't know why it says his debut was Ocarina of Time. Maybe it was the first time he wasn't a pig by default?

(Tempted to sing the Jackson 5 song.)
 

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For once I'd just like to wake up on a bright Thursday morning and go to google news to see the headline: "Super Smash Bros. Update: Bandana Waddle Dee Joins the Fight as a new DLC character". I'd kill to see that.
 

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Me and my friends were talking.And i gotta ask how can they flesh out Bdee character in later kirby games.Right now he's stuck between working for dedede and being kirby's friend.I personally hope they go down the line of being kirby's friend.In the end i hope they go with being Kirby's sidekick
 

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02 is my favorite boss by a wide margin (look at my name), it's pretty slow paced, and somewhat disturbing while being symbolic at the same time. Not to mention it has my personal favorite song in the series to accompany the battle.

Magolor/ Magolor Soul is another one of my favorites, the boss's design is phenomenal, and the whole build-up before it combined with the battle made this scene very memorable. And unlike Marx, this betrayal actually holds some weight, since Magolor is designed to be likable and you end up growing attached to him, so the battle ends up feeling significantly more sorrowful.


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Me and my friends were talking.And i gotta ask how can they flesh out Bdee character in later kirby games.Right now he's stuck between working for dedede and being kirby's friend.I personally hope they go down the line of being kirby's friend.In the end i hope they go with being Kirby's sidekick
Stuck between? These things aren't mutually-exclusive - Kirby and Dedede have been friends themselves since the second game, so it only stands to reason that Kirby and Bandana Waddle Dee are also friends. ;) I also doubt that Bandana Waddle Dee would ditch his work as Dedede's bodyguard, as his loyalty has already been well-established at this point.
 

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Me and my friends were talking.And i gotta ask how can they flesh out Bdee character in later kirby games.Right now he's stuck between working for dedede and being kirby's friend.I personally hope they go down the line of being kirby's friend.In the end i hope they go with being Kirby's sidekick
Who's to say he can't be both? That's what makes him so interesting to me. The fact that although he remains fiercely loyal to King Dedede, he's still best friends with Kirby. Considering how Dedede and Kirby are essentially friends or at least allies at this point, I don't think it's too unreasonable to say he can be both.
 
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Kracko for Final Boss 2016 :drflip:


“ Kirby has defeated Kracko countless times, but as long as the clouds still hang in the sky, Kracko will never give up the fight!”
— VS Kracko DX • Kirby: Triple Deluxe

I agree with MarioMeteor, BD can be Kirby's friend and Dedede's bodyguard
He also has a more "stable" friendship with Kirby unlike Dedede
Dedede and Kirby are practically frienemies :drshrug:
 
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