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Bandana Dee, the Legend of Dee - Our Star Ally as DeeLC?! (v(- ' ' -)>↑

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Xenoblade is a pretty big franchise for Nintendo now.
Eh? It came from a large scale studio and only sold a million. That's average, if not slightly below. F-Zero and Pikmin sell more then it, so more then Shulk probably won't happen. Rex is never going to appear in a game again outside of cameos, and since he's not the mascot of the franchise I don't see him being added for an already outdated game. I suspect only Spring Man qualifies for a new switch-created character... well that or EVEN MORE Fire Emblem, god forbid

Wait, simply numerically, or do video games in Canada actually sell for a higher value?
Up here in Canuck land, the dollar is in the toilet, so games go for about 89.99 full priced.
 

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So if the Palutena's Guidance/Snake's Codecs conversations return, what would they say about Bandana Dee?
 
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So if the Palutena's Guidance conversations return, what would they say about Bandana Dee?
I hope it's Codecs again, and they bring up how Snake and Bandana Dee are super similar. They're both Bandana wearing, clone looking soldiers.
 

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So if the Palutena's Guidance conversations return, what would they say about Bandana Dee?
I actually wrote an idea I had for it a while ago:

Viridi: Really? A Waddle Dee? Are they just letting anyone on the battlefield now?



Pit: Hey! That’s not just any Waddle Dee! It’s Bandana Waddle Dee!


Viridi: Ooh, they gave a Waddle Dee a hat and a spear. How original.


Pit: Hey! Bandana Dee set out on multiple journeys with Kirby and helped him fight gods! Twice! Hey. Maybe he could even give you a run for your money!



Palutena: Now now, Pit. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.



Pit: Sorry, Lady Palutena. I guess I’m kind of a fan.



Palutena: So I’m assuming you know about how he’s a master of the spear and will do anything he can to keep you just close enough to hit you, even if it means you can’t hit him?



Pit: Uhh… sure. Yeah… let’s go with that.



Edit: I don't think the images are loading correctly. The second Viridi one's definitely messing up :(

And one I made for Snake, but I don't think it's as good as the Pit Codec:

Snake: Did King Dedede leave one of his Waddle Dees behind from Brawl?

Colonel: I’m afraid not, Snake. Bandana Waddle Dee is King Dedede’s highest-ranking admiral.

Snake: So he’s a soldier, just like me? Got it.

Colonel: There’s more to it than that, Snake. Bandana Waddle Dee is a master of the spear and is able to jab at you from close ranges, and if you get close enough, he can hit you with his signature move: Spear Copter: a tactic he uses to propel himself into the air, damaging you in the process if you’re not careful.

Snake: So all I gotta do is get farther away so I can attack him when he can’t get to me.

Colonel: Not exactly. Bandana Waddle Dee is also able to throw his spears in rapid succession and obtain new ones instantly.

Snake: Kind of figures. Ever since I came back here, I had to be ready for anything.
 
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What if they made the Squid Sisters as the new 'codecs' for Smash Ultimate instead? Crazy I know, but I think it could work. The Inklings could summon them and they can talk about the characters' movesets and some amusing comments like how Samus would be cool in Splatfests, Marth as their fashion icon, or any other crazy and funny dialogue. Plus idk if this is a known trend, but newcomers would be in charge for the character conversations like Snake (Brawl) and Palutena (Sm4sh), so it is possible. I wouldn't mind Palutena or Snake guidance/codecs to return though, But Squid Sisters would bring something new and fresh (sorry, not sorry).
When talking about Bandana Dee, Callie would be the one to constantly praise his courage and cuteness, while Marie would judge Bandana Dee for being a mook with her sassy attitude. Then they both end up in a long debate which the conversation/codec will end in the middle of their debate before it gets ugly and for talking too long. IDK what they'll say if they become the new codec, but I hope it's better than what I came up with.
 
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If there is DLC and their not on base roster, and providing Bandana Dee is in, Geno and Isaac would be the only two that interest me. I'll love the DLC no matter what if there is any.

But those two would be the only two I'd actually make an effort to get, Bandana Dee to but only if he's not in main game and DLC.

Anyway don 't know how much we'll get look forward to it regardless.
 
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If the leak is real (I'm still on team fake, but hypothetically) it's actually really good for BWD.

Think about it. Name 5-10 characters that Sakurai would add in as DLC over Bandana Dee that aren't in that leak.
I can only think of 4 (Rayman, Shantae, Captain Toad, Skull Kid).
 
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If the leak is real (I'm still on team fake, but hypothetically) it's actually really good for BWD.

Think about it. Name 5-10 characters that Sakurai would add in as DLC over Bandana Dee.
I can only think of 4 (Rayman, Shantae, Captain Toad, Skull Kid).
Heck, I'd probably remove Shantae and maybe even Rayman from that list.


Although our biggest worries come from the newer games I reckon.

Gen 8 Pokemon
Spring Man
Rex and Pyra
Maybe even Elma

And Sakurai will probably stuff in a bunch of third parties again


But for me

Skull Kid
Bandana Dee
Dixie


I feel the roster needs those 3 characters, it would round out the Kirby and Dk franchise nicely and we're desperate for a new Zelda character and Skull Kid has certainly proved his popularity (and if Geno can get in from popularity alone emphasis on alone)
 

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Heck, I'd probably remove Shantae and maybe even Rayman from that list.


Although our biggest worries come from the newer games I reckon.

Gen 8 Pokemon
Spring Man
Rex and Pyra
Maybe even Elma

And Sakurai will probably stuff in a bunch of third parties again


But for me

Skull Kid
Bandana Dee
Dixie


I feel the roster needs those 3 characters, it would round out the Kirby and Dk franchise nicely and we're desperate for a new Zelda character and Skull Kid has certainly proved his popularity (and if Geno can get in from popularity alone emphasis on alone)
Dixie's another one, but the only 3rd parties I can see are Shantae and Rayman. Minecraft Steve or Sans are also possible, but let's not think about things like that.
 

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Dixie's another one, but the only 3rd parties I can see are Shantae and Rayman. Minecraft Steve or Sans are also possible, but let's not think about things like that.
I don't consider Shantae or Sans, at all, especially Sans and I don't think "Steve" will happen simply because he barely (or doesn't imo) qualifies as a character to begin with.

Third parties I think could happen are

Crash Bandicoot
One or more the Namco trio (Heihachi, Lloyd, Digimon)
Depending what Sakurai looks for, Lara Croft
Perhaps Dante
And Maybe something from Shin Megami Tensai/Persona or Dragon Quest
A level 5 character as a maybe (Jibanyam, maybe Layton)


Although I hope he goes easy on third parties, I like Smash because of Nintendo so I want more Nintendo. That's what it is to me.
 

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Although I hope he goes easy on third parties, I like Smash because of Nintendo so I want more Nintendo. That's what it is to me.
Agreed. There's still quite a bit of 1st party characters I would like to see and Nintendo could choose from (without feeling too forced). Sorry can't stand 3rd parties in Smash and I dare say 3rd parties IMO are already reaching max capacity.

- Dixie Kong (semi-clone of Diddy)
- Bandana Dee
- Captain Toad/Toadette
- Spring-Man (other ARMS cast as alts.)
- Rex & Pyra
- Chibi-Robo
- Louie (Olimar echo)
- Funky Kong (DK echo)
- Medusa (Palutena echo)
- Octolings (Inkling echo)
- Porky Minch
- Elma
- Skull Kid
- DJ Octavio
- Impa (semi-clone of Sheik)
- Gen 8 Pokemon
- Paper Mario
- Eldengard
- Cranky Kong
- King Hippo
- Pig Ganon
- Black Knight (Ike echo)
- Black Shadow (Captain Falcon echo)
- Captain Syrup
- Sylux
- Anthony Higgs

While I doubt this could happen but if assist trophies could be promoted through DLC then:

- Waluigi
- Krystal
- Ashley
 
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Wait, simply numerically, or do video games in Canada actually sell for a higher value?
Most new games in Canada are $79.99 (though there are exceptions, like Mega Man 11). Add on the 13% sales tax, and it's a little over $90.
 
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Oh my god this is so.......heartbreaking View attachment 172778
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I can't take this

Heck, I'd probably remove Shantae and maybe even Rayman from that list.


Although our biggest worries come from the newer games I reckon.

Gen 8 Pokemon
Spring Man
Rex and Pyra
Maybe even Elma

And Sakurai will probably stuff in a bunch of third parties again


But for me

Skull Kid
Bandana Dee
Dixie


I feel the roster needs those 3 characters, it would round out the Kirby and Dk franchise nicely and we're desperate for a new Zelda character and Skull Kid has certainly proved his popularity (and if Geno can get in from popularity alone emphasis on alone)
I personally believe a gen 8 pokémon won't happen unti gen 8 releases, so I don't think we'll have to worry about that until like, early 2020. (Side note: Fates was already out in Japan for over half a year when Corrin was released, hence my estimate. There is a slim chance gen 7 might still happen, though I feel it’s unlikely)
I also feel like it's base roster or nothing for Elma. She'll probably at least get a trophy and a couple of music tracks, but I'm not confident about her chances if she doesn't make it in last second.
Rex and Pyra are almost guaranteed to happen. Or at least, I think they are.
Spring Man I can see happening as well, but I don't think it's guaranteed. 60% shot I'd say.

But I do agree we can likely expect a decent amount of third parties (personally guessing 3 or 4 non-echos) I think that characters such as Monster Hunter, Phoenix Wright, Joker, Lloyd, Heihachi, and Rayman are possible frontrunners for DLC candidates when it comes to third parties anyway.
But I would also like it to remain primarily Nintendo characters. That’s why I, although I have no connection with the characters, am quietly rooting for characters like Dixie, Skull Kid, Impa, Paper Mario, Black Shadow, etc. But I still have a few personal third party wishes.

Edit: finished a sentence
 
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I actually wrote an idea I had for it a while ago:

Viridi: Really? A Waddle Dee? Are they just letting anyone on the battlefield now?



Pit: Hey! That’s not just any Waddle Dee! It’s Bandana Waddle Dee!


Viridi: Ooh, they gave a Waddle Dee a hat and a spear. How original.


Pit: Hey! Bandana Dee set out on multiple journeys with Kirby and helped him fight gods! Twice! Hey. Maybe he could even give you a run for your money!



Palutena: Now now, Pit. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.



Pit: Sorry, Lady Palutena. I guess I’m kind of a fan.



Palutena: So I’m assuming you know about how he’s a master of the spear and will do anything he can to keep you just close enough to hit you, even if it means you can’t hit him?



Pit: Uhh… sure. Yeah… let’s go with that.



Edit: I don't think the images are loading correctly. The second Viridi one's definitely messing up :(

And one I made for Snake, but I don't think it's as good as the Pit Codec:

Snake: Did King Dedede leave one of his Waddle Dees behind from Brawl?

Colonel: I’m afraid not, Snake. Bandana Waddle Dee is King Dedede’s highest-ranking admiral.

Snake: So he’s a soldier, just like me? Got it.

Colonel: There’s more to it than that, Snake. Bandana Waddle Dee is a master of the spear and is able to jab at you from close ranges, and if you get close enough, he can hit you with his signature move: Spear Copter: a tactic he uses to propel himself into the air, damaging you in the process if you’re not careful.

Snake: So all I gotta do is get farther away so I can attack him when he can’t get to me.

Colonel: Not exactly. Bandana Waddle Dee is also able to throw his spears in rapid succession and obtain new ones instantly.

Snake: Kind of figures. Ever since I came back here, I had to be ready for anything.
What if they made the Squid Sisters as the new 'codecs' for Smash Ultimate instead? Crazy I know, but I think it could work. The Inklings could summon them and they can talk about the characters' movesets and some amusing comments like how Samus would be cool in Splatfests, Marth as their fashion icon, or any other crazy and funny dialogue. Plus idk if this is a known trend, but newcomers would be in charge for the character conversations like Snake (Brawl) and Palutena (Sm4sh), so it is possible. I wouldn't mind Palutena or Snake guidance/codecs to return though, But Squid Sisters would bring something new and fresh (sorry, not sorry).
When talking about Bandana Dee, Callie would be the one to constantly praise his courage and cuteness, while Marie would judge Bandana Dee for being a mook with her sassy attitude. Then they both end up in a long debate which the conversation/codec will end in the middle of their debate before it gets ugly and for talking too long. IDK what they'll say if they become the new codec, but I hope it's better than what I came up with.
Personally, I'd like to think that Bandana Waddle Dee's Codec/Palutena's Guidance would involve Palutena and Viridi/Mei Ling gushing over how adorable B.W.D. is, and chastising Pit/Snake over bringing any harm to the little guy.
 

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Grinch leak or no I still think Waddle Dee or Bandana Dee still has a great chance at making it in. He is a great 'cute'-type character to help round out the roster and appeals to different kinds of players than most of the other newcomers. I never understood why people get so up in arms about the concept of Bandana Dee joining the roster, it's like someone getting mad over Isabelle
 

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Rex and Pyra are almost guaranteed to happen. Or at least, I think they are.
Spring Man I can see happening as well, but I don't think it's guaranteed. 60% shot I'd say.
Sakurai has said for these one-shot JRPG characters to be added to smash, they need to line up perfectly with the Smash roster selection. Since Rex's game is over a year old by the time DLC will be chosen, I personally don't think we need to worry about him. He's never going to appear in another game, and his home game has become outdated.

Spring Man on the other hand is the mascot of a new A-list Nintendo IP, and he's going to be around for a VERY long time. In my opinion I think he's the only first party character that's a lock for DLC.

...Although I'm scared as hell that Sakurai is ONCE AGAIN gonna choose to force in the new FE game to advertise it.
 
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I actually think Rex/Pyra is more likely than Spring-Man. Sakurai had nothing but praise for Xenoblade 2 and they're popular among Japanese fans.

Agreed. There's still quite a bit of 1st party characters I would like to see and Nintendo could choose from (without feeling too forced). Sorry can't stand 3rd parties in Smash and I dare say 3rd parties IMO are already reaching max capacity.

- Dixie Kong (semi-clone of Diddy)
- Bandana Dee
- Captain Toad/Toadette
- Spring-Man (other ARMS cast as alts.)
- Rex & Pyra
- Chibi-Robo
- Louie (Olimar echo)
- Funky Kong (DK echo)
- Medusa (Palutena echo)
- Octolings (Inkling echo)
- Porky Minch
- Elma
- Skull Kid
- DJ Octavio
- Impa (semi-clone of Sheik)
- Gen 8 Pokemon
- Paper Mario
- Eldengard
- Cranky Kong
- King Hippo
- Pig Ganon
- Black Knight (Ike echo)
- Black Shadow (Captain Falcon echo)
- Captain Syrup
- Sylux
- Anthony Higgs

While I doubt this could happen but if assist trophies could be promoted through DLC then:

- Waluigi
- Krystal
- Ashley
As much as I'd like to see some of these characters, DLC has to sell and I think some of the more obscure ones like Captain Syrup would fall through the cracks. I mean, Anthony Higgs has about a snowball's chance in hell, being an NPC from a single Metroid game (one of Nintendo's most controversial games ever as well).

I think DLC will be a mix of promotional picks/third parties, and any leftover ballot characters. Bandana Dee is sort of both, so he has that going for him.
 

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I actually think Rex/Pyra is more likely than Spring-Man. Sakurai had nothing but praise for Xenoblade 2 and they're popular among Japanese fans.



As much as I'd like to see some of these characters, DLC has to sell and I think some of the more obscure ones like Captain Syrup would fall through the cracks. I mean, Anthony Higgs has about a snowball's chance in hell, being an NPC from a single Metroid game (one of Nintendo's most controversial games ever as well).

I think DLC will be a mix of promotional picks/third parties, and any leftover ballot characters. Bandana Dee is sort of both, so he has that going for him.
Yeah trust me I know. I'm totally expecting crap like Crash Bandicoot, Sora, Minecraft Steve. I will sigh and not buy them but I guess people clearly want these characters over actual Nintendo characters and it makes me sad honestly. As long as Dixie and Bandana Dee are added as DLC I will be happy.
 

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I actually think Rex/Pyra is more likely than Spring-Man. Sakurai had nothing but praise for Xenoblade 2 and they're popular among Japanese fans.



As much as I'd like to see some of these characters, DLC has to sell and I think some of the more obscure ones like Captain Syrup would fall through the cracks. I mean, Anthony Higgs has about a snowball's chance in hell, being an NPC from a single Metroid game (one of Nintendo's most controversial games ever as well).

I think DLC will be a mix of promotional picks/third parties, and any leftover ballot characters. Bandana Dee is sort of both, so he has that going for him.
Sakurai praises thousands of games. It doesn't mean anything for Smash. Sakurai even admitted that he's bought Minecraft 3 times because he loves it so much, and he talked about how he really loves Undertale. Spring Man is also MUCH more popular in Japan then Rex. XB2 didn't actually sell very good in Japan, whereas ARMS sold about 600k, the same as most Zelda games sell in Japan. Rex is possible, I just think all evidence points to Spring Man being the lock.

Yeah DLC probably has slightly higher standards when it comes to characters, since they need to be able to sell themselves. Bandana Dee doesn't need to worry about this, I think, because Waddle Dees already sell A TON of merchandise in Japan. Sakurai knows Dee's iconic species has market power.
 
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Bandana Dee chances are good I think mash potatoe samurai knows that.

Hope he is one of the characters considered for DLC.

I think he will be only if not on base roster.
 

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Oh hey I just had a thought. If B.D. is DLC, that means they'll be able to incorporate Star Allies mechanics into his characters.

Are there any aspects of Star Allies you guys would like to see be part of Bandana Dee's moveset or character?
 

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Oh hey I just had a thought. If B.D. is DLC, that means they'll be able to incorporate Star Allies mechanics into his characters.

Are there any aspects of Star Allies you guys would like to see be part of Bandana Dee's moveset or character?
My personal choices go to either a move derived from the Friend Train as either a side special or dash attack, and perhaps the Star Allies Sparkler for a Final Smash.
It's not Megaton Punch, but considering Star Allies is all about Kirby's, well, allies, I feel like giving that to Kirby's closest ally makes a lot of sense. I don't think it's too strange of an idea.

And while I'm not opposed to the idea, I'm not too big a fan of elemental buffs that would sacrifice a portion of damage for various other bonuses. I feel like Dee's got more than enough potential without a gimmick to stand out.

EDIT: And while we're at it, we could potentially see moves derived from Parasol and Spear in Battle Royale, like a water bubble projectile.
 
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Most new games in Canada are $79.99 (though there are exceptions, like Mega Man 11). Add on the 13% sales tax, and it's a little over $90.
I'm curious about the Intl. value. I know games in Canada have larger number. $80. Canadian is a bit more than $60 American, that's about a 1.33% exchange rate versus the normal 1.29/1.3% exchange rate. Does shipping from Japan/China cost more?
 

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Not to be a downer, but I'm almost certain that the codecs aren't returning. Colonel Roy Campbell's Japanese voice, Mr. Takeshi Aono, passed away in 2012, and the character was retired out of respect. An appearance of his character in some form (ex. a basic trophy) could still be done, as could something minor using existing voice clips (ex. the Grey Fox Assist Trophy), but finding a new actor and recording new dialogue would be crossing a line.

Palutena's Guidance could return, but there's also a chance that they'll do something new or nothing at all.

Plumstar Plumstar : I've seen the Squid Sisters idea come up before before, but what I haven't seen mentioned yet is that it could work better than the codecs and guidance for DLC characters. The dev team wouldn't have to get voice actors back to record new lines in multiple languages. (Which is what I assume stopped SSB4 DLC characters from receiving unique guidance conversations.) That's a point in favor of it from me, especially if Dee does end up being DLC.

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As for taking ideas from Star Allies (or even RtDL) for Dee, this may sound a bit weird, but I'm kinda against it? Kirby, Dedede, and Meta Knight don't really reference specific Kirby games outside of their Final Smashes. (Except MK's FS, which doesn't reference any.) Dee has more than enough to build a set without relying on gimmicks, and I think it would make more sense from a design perspective for him to be a more "basic" character like Kirby. (i.e. His attacks generally go/hit in the input direction, don't have "weird" effects such as reverse and bury, etc.)

Keep in mind that "basic" =/= "bad". Mario is fairly basic, though a step up from Kirby in complexity, and he was pretty good in SSB4 and is looking good for Ultimate. Dee would still be very different from Kirby because of his disjointed hitboxes, and he probably wouldn't be as floaty.
 
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Not to be a downer, but I'm almost certain that the codecs aren't returning. Colonel Roy Campbell's Japanese voice, Mr. Takeshi Aono, passed away in 2012, and the character was retired out of respect. An appearance of his character in some form (ex. a basic trophy) could still be done, as could something minor using existing voice clips (ex. the Grey Fox Assist Trophy), but finding a new actor and recording new dialogue would be crossing a line.

Palutena's Guidance could return, but there's also a chance that they'll do something new or nothing at all.

Plumstar Plumstar : I've seen the Squid Sisters idea come up before before, but what I haven't seen mentioned yet is that it could work better than the codecs and guidance for DLC characters. The dev team wouldn't have to get voice actors back to record new lines in multiple languages. (Which is what I assume stopped SSB4 DLC characters from receiving unique guidance conversations.) That's a point in favor of it from me, especially if Dee does end up being DLC.

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As for taking ideas from Star Allies (or even RtDL) for Dee, this may sound a bit weird, but I'm kinda against it? Kirby, Dedede, and Meta Knight don't really reference specific Kirby games outside of their Final Smashes. (Except MK's FS, which doesn't reference any.) Dee has more than enough to build a set without relying on gimmicks, and I think it would make more sense from a design perspective for him to be a more "basic" character like Kirby. (i.e. His attacks generally go/hit in the input direction, don't have "weird" effects such as reverse and bury, etc.)

Keep in mind that "basic" =/= "bad". Mario is fairly basic, though a step up from Kirby in complexity, and he was pretty good in SSB4 and is looking good for Ultimate. Dee would still be very different from Kirby because of his disjointed hitboxes, and he probably wouldn't be as floaty.
Colonel Campbell wasn’t retired though, it’s just that no game has come out where he could even logically appear in. They could reuse Campbell’s recordings for Brawl, and use the other characters (Otacon, Mei-Ling, maybe add Meryl, Naomi or ‘Miller’ to fill in for Col., Palutena/Viridi and Chrom for the new Kid Icarus and Fire Emblem Awakening characters) for the new ones.
 

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I've said this before, but since Magolor was the 7th most popular fighter request in Japan, it would make since for him to be in. If, during a direct, they discussed wave 3 (SPOILERS!) of the dream friends, magolor could be announced in Smash alongside that.
 

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I know you guys are loyal to the apple juice, but imo I think that Masked Dedede's theme should accompany either Bandana Dee's reveal trailer or character showcase video. Shows that he is not only adorable, but also awesome.
 

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Colonel Campbell wasn’t retired though, it’s just that no game has come out where he could even logically appear in. They could reuse Campbell’s recordings for Brawl, and use the other characters (Otacon, Mei-Ling, maybe add Meryl, Naomi or ‘Miller’ to fill in for Col., Palutena/Viridi and Chrom for the new Kid Icarus and Fire Emblem Awakening characters) for the new ones.
Only problem with that is Jigglypuff's codec (who has Campbell) mentions Brawl.
 
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I know you guys are loyal to the apple juice, but imo I think that Masked Dedede's theme should accompany either Bandana Dee's reveal trailer or character showcase video. Shows that he is not only adorable, but also awesome.
he doesnt need music to prove that
 

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What do the codecs matter? Do they disconfirm Dee somehow?
I wasn't talking about Dee, I was just referencing his point.

To make this post about Dee, I assume he'll get a trophy in this game if he isn't playable, so I'm curious what they'll have to say about him.
 
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