Bad Charizard Matchups (first impressions)

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The one matchup thats hard for me to get in is on Rosalina you have to be like super, you cant rush her down.
If anyone has some advice it would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Joshkip]

What about DK, guys?

 

[R!otStar]

The rosaluma match up is hard but its winnable u just have to be careful and not to let luma be your main focus...flamethrower helps alot too by chiping at luma's life points and we ALL know what hapoens to a risa without her luma :3 use those 10 secs of free time to eat her up

 

[-LzR-]

From my experience Bowser is a tough matchup. He is pretty much the only character in the game who we don't want to trade with and trades are a huge deal for Zard. Land a Blitz on Bowser that didn't kill? Almost nothing gained, he is heavier and he will kill you earlier. Only use it for killing. If customs are on DR is an obvious choice.
His Flamethrower, Fair and Uair are just better versions of Zards.
His sideB will eat up any attempt of using super armor. That thing also kills really early.
Basically Bowsers attributes just remove whatever Charizard is as a character.

I really need help with the matchup too... I have like 10% win rate against Bowser. No matter if it's a pro or your grandma playing Bowser.

 

[The Real Gamer]

4 key things Zard has over Bowser: speed, grab range, a reliable Dair spike, and Rock Smash. Flare Blitz doesn't feel as potent in this MU so I'd go with Dragon Rush as well.

IMO Bowser vs Zard is one of the more even MUs in the game that basically comes down to who does better in footsies.

 

[R!otStar]

I feel bowser is a real test of skill but our flamethrower is way better than his because even tho his is longer the ends of his doesnt stun and people can get out earlier. Charizard has more range on most of his moves and the Nair kills alot of bowsers approaches. The only thing we gotta worry about is Oos fortress and if we feel like we can grab him up until he doesnt feel thats a good tactic to use

 

[Leftyloo]

Anyone have any tips for fighting against a Zelda? I have a really tough time with her (and shiek as many have stated). But I find Zelda to be a tougher match up for me.

 

[R!otStar]

What kind of zelda gives u trouble? The neutral b spamming kind or the defensive kind that runs and does dins fire? If its the neutral b spam one then u have to try and space with your f tilts. It doesnt have a hurtbox at the end so u can catch her on the neutral b cooldown. If its the defensive one then u have to chase her when she runs while looking out for her f tilts (they come out mad fast and have good knockback to reset the din fire spam) shes slow so u can close the distance quick. As always, look out for stray sweet spot Bairs :/ all zeldas what to catch u with this (it kills mad early)

 

[Swamp Sensei]

So... Tips on ZSS?

She's winnable, but she combos so well, she's really mobile and her Side B shuts down most things. Even Rock Smash.

What's a Zard to do?

 

[Rashid]

I haven't played against very experienced ZSS players, but here's what I think:

- Nair should beat out her down B (by hitting her as soon as she's vulnerable)
- Flare Blitz through her Paralyzer, especially if she charges them.
- Try the JC/sliding Rock Smash against her side B.
- You don't want to be directly above her. Ever. Up B can kill, and Up Smash covers a lot of options... except maybe Rock Smash.
- Her grab is mediocre, so shielding should be safer than usual. Don't turtle too much, though.
- If you use Flamethrower, stop as soon as she escapes. She can easily use Down B to attack.
- She's pretty light, so try to get a feel for her kill %s. Fly has some armor on it, so if it trades with her up B, or the first hit of her F-air, chances are she's dead.

 

[LightlyToasted]

Mario and Doc cant recover from through flamethrower at all. Unless there are some spin shenanigans I have yet to see, they just fall to their death. Luigi has his green missile which makes his recovery a bit safer.

 

[Rashid]

Mario and Doc cant recover from through flamethrower at all. Unless there are some spin shenanigans I have yet to see, they just fall to their death. Luigi has his green missile which makes his recovery a bit safer.

All you have to do is just attack Luigi, or intentionally get hit by him, when he uses Green Missile and his recovery is almost always done for.

 

[roymustang1990-]

I gimped a recovering ness with a flame thrower ledgeguard. Mac too. Lol

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Can I say just how much I hate Zard vs Robin?

 

[A_Phoenix_Down]

No idea. The priority on her moves, as well as Luma's, have insane priority and come out incredibly fast. I'm trying out strategies myself, including dashing in with Rock Smash, jumping in with Nair, etc. Can't say anything for sure quite yet.

Aim for Luma. It's quite easy to kill it actually. Once you hit Luma, it loses it's magnet to Rosalina, which means it's as good as dead with a hit near the ledge. Doing so leaves Rosalina almost powerless. I've made many R&L's quit on me (and even SD on me) because I kept killing Luma before I started thrashing Rosalina.

 

[King Kong]

What about DK, guys?

I try not to compete with DK's aerials. His B-air comes out quickly, and he seems to have more mobility in the air than Zard. Ithink it's best to stay grounded when possible.

I think that Zard is great at edge guarding DK, but DK can kill you at very low percentage if he catches any mistakes. An even matchup in my opinion, maybe a little in Zards favour, as I feel he has slightly better approaches.

 

[DarkLouis331]

Playing Luigi is ****ing hell. Our combos are much harder to land on him, fireball camp, his moves tend to eat through our shield, and he combos the hell out of us. One of the worst mu's in the game for us, imho.

 

[DarkLouis331]

Also, Little Mac is terrible. Would go my mediocre Pocket Diddy in a heartbeat.

 

[-LzR-]

Also, Little Mac is terrible. Would go my mediocre Pocket Diddy in a heartbeat.

Little Mac is so easy for Zard.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Also, Little Mac is terrible. Would go my mediocre Pocket Diddy in a heartbeat.

It's actually quite easy for me, you just do t trade with him.

Shield and grab instead.

 

[RadianB]

Also, Little Mac is terrible. Would go my mediocre Pocket Diddy in a heartbeat.

Back throw kills at 0% if you f-air and follow up correctly with proper reads. Also forward smash goes through both his recoveries including his up B cus Mac doesn't instantly ledge grab and Charizard's forward smash has invincibility and a hit box that goes under the stage.

 

[DarkLouis331]

Back throw kills at 0% if you f-air and follow up correctly with proper reads. Also forward smash goes through both his recoveries including his up B cus Mac doesn't instantly ledge grab and Charizard's forward smash has invincibility and a hit box that goes under the stage.

Really? I'll have to look at that Fsmash hitbox again.

Also, I'm sure my winrate against Mac is like 20%. I've been facing really good Macs lately and I just get outsped by his cheese every time I get near him. FB gets shielded and I get KO punched. GG If anyone has any advice on how to get him into the air easily, that'd be great.

Thanks.

 

[ZephyrZ]

If anyone has any advice on how to get him into the air easily, that'd be great.

Play defensively-ish, then grab him when you get the chance. After that, it's a matter of throwing him near the closet edge, where you can mess up with recovery with Flamethrower.

Edit: I had some matches with a friend earlier today. Even though we generally consider me to be the better of the two of us, his Link really game my Charizard a tough time with his projectiles. When I tried to camp on top of the platforms, he would just use his u-air or angle is boomerang. If I tried to attack from above, I'd get an Up Smash to the face(though thank goodness for Rock Smash and Flamethrower for helping me around that sometimes). I somehow managed to win, but I felt really pressured throughout the match and really had to rely on mind games.

 

[FruitSnack]

Personally Ness gives me tons of trouble when I'm playing Charizard

 

[Daxter]

There's no stopping Pikachu as 'Zard. Most attacks seem to pass over him, and his speed is super-effective!

 

[Rashid]

Pikachu is definitely annoying. This is one matchup where you really have to use the disjoint on Charizard's tail, and you also can't use Rock Smash and Flare Blitz recklessly. Just remember that he's light - a down throw, fair, or sweetspot ftilt can do it if you can't KO him by 130% or so. I would take Rock Hurl and Dragon Rush for this, if customs are allowed.

 

[dahuterschuter]

Falcon. He outspeeds him easily and unlike someone like Fox who can`t kill heavies, every one of Falcons moves is a kill mvoe and easy to connect, especially on a giant hurtbox like Charizard.

 

[-LzR-]

Falcon. He outspeeds him easily and unlike someone like Fox who can`t kill heavies, every one of Falcons moves is a kill mvoe and easy to connect, especially on a giant hurtbox like Charizard.

I agree. Falcon is possibly the hardest matchup.

 

[ggamer77]

From what I've experienced:
Luigi, Captain Falcon, Link, Rosalina, Mega Man, and Duck Hunt seem to be the more difficult match ups.

 

[Crash40]

Well, Olimar tends to give me a hard time... Mostly cause the only moves that get rid of Pikmin are DSmash and Rock Smash... Plus, if you have Pikmin on you Flair Blitz stops it as it starts, since Charizard technically hitting the Pikmin.

 

[JJBro1]

Can I say just how much I hate Zard vs Robin?

THIS. I had the toughest time against a robin the other day. How the hell are you supposed to approach?

 

[Rashid]

THIS. I had the toughest time against a robin the other day. How the hell are you supposed to approach?

How does Robin wall Charizard out? Thunder isn't spammable and Arc Fire leaves Robin wide open. Does a fullhop Flamethrower not cover a lot of options? JC Rock Smash at close range, maybe? I guess tanking the hits with FB is risky.

 

[ggamer77]

Arc Fire can wall Charizard out pretty well.

 

[-LzR-]

Arc Fire can wall Charizard out pretty well.

Doesn't Flare Blitz eat that stuff?

 

[RadianB]

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Doesn't Flare Blitz eat that stuff?

Only at the start of the move while it's still in the fireball state, FB doesn't go through Arc Fire when it's a flame pillar.

 

[Real Smooth-Like]

Personally Ness gives me tons of trouble when I'm playing Charizard

I feel you man, that PK Thunder barrage. His projectiles just crap on anything Charizard wants to do.

 

[KingsHaki]

Worst matchups in my experience: olimar, rosalina, ness, DDD, cpt falcon. But I don't know which of these if any are unwinnable and he has a pretty good matchup spread considering the whole cast.