[B][/B]No Invincibility After Respawn

[pud22]

I noticed while i was watching those gameplay videos that whenever u died and respawned u werent temporairily invincible, like in the previous super smash games. i personally think its better that way, it levels the playing field even more, no unfair advantages. well i just wanted to know what you all thought about or if u even cared.
this is kinda an over view vid found it on youtube ull see wat im talkin bout: http://youtube.com/watch?v=CH2NkT-1Qy0

 

[red stone]

nice catch. as soon as you're off the angelic platform, you're vulnerable.

whether this is good or not is yet to be determined

 

[I_R_Hungry]

this also may mean no more invincibility on ledges

which is coolio in my book

edit: of course they may have just not implemented it yet for whatever reason but that is doubtful

 

[SirroMinus1]

Link the video that would of been the smart thing to do.

 

[PopeOfChiliTown]

this also may mean no more invincibility on ledges

which is coolio in my book

edit: of course they may have just not implemented it yet for whatever reason but that is doubtful

What in hell does respawning have to do with grabbing the ledge? I don't understand the thought process of the people on this board.

 

[I_R_Hungry]

What in hell does respawning have to do with grabbing the ledge? I don't understand the thought process of the people on this board.

you got invincibility frames from respawning

you got invincibility frames when grabbing the ledge

pretty simple stuff here

 

[shinkazenokizzu]

you got invincibility frames from respawning

you got invincibility frames when grabbing the ledge

pretty simple stuff here

he is just saying he dont see your connection behind comparing them both

 

[I_R_Hungry]

...

and I explained the connection

>_>

 

[lavamage]

I never really utilized the whole invincibility thing, but I guess I would prefer it this wasy, just so everyone could continue to fight, with no unfair advantage

 

[Ryota]

It's in the Sudden Death Video. And no, ledges still have an invincibility time, you can even see it in the same video.

 

[spikehappy07]

I don't mind no invulnerability after dropping down off the angelic platform, but what I'm concerned about is how my cousin is going to react. He relied on that so much, too...
...sucks to be him

 

[I_R_Hungry]

It's in the Sudden Death Video. And no, ledges still have an invincibility time, you can even see it in the same video.

ah, that's a shame.

 

[Demon Kirby]

I don't mind no invulnerability after dropping down off the angelic platform, but what I'm concerned about is how my cousin is going to react. He relied on that so much, too...
...sucks to be him

I liked to Down B with Jigglypuff while invincible.

 

[pud22]

Link the video that would of been the smart thing to do.

...good idea i like where ur heads at.

 

[PopeOfChiliTown]

...

and I explained the connection

>_>

...no, you didn't. You just named two situations in which you get invincibility frames which lolkthx I already knew.

What I would like you to explain is why you think no respawn invincibility confirms no ledge invincibility. It's like saying that because Mario's down B has been changed, so have all the other characters' zomg.

now I get to do this -> >_>

 

[Takeshi245]

This could be changed when Brawl comes out.

 

[Chris of STARS]

That can't be a good idea...I can't wait to spawn inside Samus zero laser or a random Pokemon attack before I even start. :\

 

[Papapaint]

That can't be a good idea...I can't wait to spawn inside Samus zero laser or a random Pokemon attack before I even start. :\

You're still invincible on the platform at spawn...

 

[Zjiin]

I'm having trouble finding the video that shows that you can gte hit after you leave the "angelic" platform. The SSD video doesn't really show anything of the sorts.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

The temporary invincibility gives players a chance to retaliate before he/she becomes vincible again. Remember the Avenger KO bonus?

 

[pud22]

I'm having trouble finding the video that shows that you can gte hit after you leave the "angelic" platform. The SSD video doesn't really show anything of the sorts.

when a charcater is invincible you can tell. they usually flash for a second or two which lets u kno that u r invincible. and if u watch closely to the chars after they die and respawn they dont flash at all, but when they grab ledges they do. which most likely means that your invincible for a short period of time when you grab a ledge but not when u respawn.

This could be changed when Brawl comes out.

this could also be true. but im just going by what i saw.

 

[Shai Hulud]

Temporary invincibility was ******** and lasted far too long in Melee. At most there should be half a second of invincibility (enough to get to the ground).

 

[Jammer]

Does anyone know what happens in Melee in Sudden Death Mode? Is there invincibility after jumping off the angel platform?

I personally never really cared for that invincibility. The other person just runs away (unless they're dumb). It slows down the game, especially if both people die at the same time (then they both wait on the platform for as long as possible, if they're playing optimally). It also lets you charge up your charge shot, if you're Samus, or collect all your needles, if you're Sheik, for free.

you got invincibility frames from respawning

you got invincibility frames when grabbing the ledge

pretty simple stuff here

Um, that's no explanation. I'm sure the game still has a thing called "invincibility frames". For example, heavier characters get invincibility when doing slow moves in Brawl.

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

This is a demo, things may change. You had only 2 min to fight, and if you were wasting time fighting invincible characters, it wouldn't be efficient. It may have been removed for the demo.

 

[pud22]

This is a demo, things may change. You had only 2 min to fight, and if you were wasting time fighting invincible characters, it wouldn't be efficient. It may have been removed for the demo.

good point...

 

[Blade Knight]

honestly i find that your invicible is stupid in real life if you get knocked down are you invicible after you get up NO.

 

[Red Exodus]

This widens the gap between good players and bad players. The invincibility frames helped noobs get a chance to breath when they come back from dying. Now when they comeback they'll just jump right back into the ownage again. I think I'm going to enjoy that a lot.

 

[Darqion]

honestly i find that your invicible is stupid in real life if you get knocked down are you invicible after you get up NO.

I cant really tell if you are serious here.. hmmm lets see...

In real life.. did you ever shoot fireballs at people ? or big lasers ? ever see bowser irl ? ye... i didnt think so either. unless you were joking, keep "real" stuff out of it

 

[Kee Something]

I actually perfer what Brawl is doing. It gives players a cheap advantage to be invincible for the 3 or 4 seconds that they are after they leave the platform. I'm glad Brawl is doing away with it because once you come off the platform, you should be ready to fight.

 

[Takeshi245]

I actually perfer what Brawl is doing. It gives players a cheap advantage to be invincible for the 3 or 4 seconds that they are after they leave the platform. I'm glad Brawl is doing away with it because once you come off the platform, you should be ready to fight.

That's why you use your common sense to get away and then go after them after the invinciblity runs off.

 

[Kashakunaki]

...no, you didn't. You just named two situations in which you get invincibility frames which lolkthx I already knew.

What I would like you to explain is why you think no respawn invincibility confirms no ledge invincibility. It's like saying that because Mario's down B has been changed, so have all the other characters' zomg.

now I get to do this -> >_>

Kashakunaki = PopeOfChiliTown Supporter

Meh. Personally, I'm... oh dammit... what's the word... an.. APATHETIC, there we go, I'm apathetic to the whole thing. I don't see it being that big of a deal, though, I think it would be nice if you had JUST ENOUGH invincibility frames to touch the ground before you are vunerable because think about it... if you have a weak aerial game and the other person has a great juggling game, he could juggle you from the second you respawn. That's not cool.

And yeah, Sonic has invincibility frames in the Link vs. Sonic match, so 'nuff said there.

 

[pud22]

And yeah, Sonic has invincibility frames in the Link vs. Sonic match, so 'nuff said there.

umm...no he doesnt. he has invincibility frames when hes on the platform.yes.but as soon as he gets off its gone. and the cpu keeps on doing his A-move out of the rspawn so its hard 2 tell thats y the samus vs. mario part is better proof.

 

[I_R_Hungry]

...no, you didn't. You just named two situations in which you get invincibility frames which lolkthx I already knew.

What I would like you to explain is why you think no respawn invincibility confirms no ledge invincibility. It's like saying that because Mario's down B has been changed, so have all the other characters' zomg.

now I get to do this -> >_>

I

I never said it "confirmed" anything

I was speculating and made it clear that my post was speculation

there is a connection, and whether or not that connection actually meant anything remained to be seen.

90% of all current brawl discussion is speculation my friend

why don't you find another post to whine about ok

Um, that's no explanation. I'm sure the game still has a thing called "invincibility frames". For example, heavier characters get invincibility when doing slow moves in Brawl.

OK first of all, we've already established that you do get invincibility frames when grabbing the ledge. again, see above; my thought process was simply that if they felt like getting rid of some instances of invincibility like respawning, why wouldn't they have possibly done the same thing in other instances as well.

Secondly, no, heavy characters do not get invincibility frames, according to what we know. It's generally accepted that they get frames of 0 knockback while still taking damage.

 

[blerb]

What in hell does respawning have to do with grabbing the ledge? I don't understand the thought process of the people on this board.

the key word in his statement would be MAY, you dumb.

it's called speculation.

 

[I_R_Hungry]

the key word in his statement would be MAY, you dumb.

it's called speculation.

thank you sir.

 

[Mama]

Well watch the video again. Mario clearly has invincibility frames after he touches the ground. In the Sonic vs Link in Smashville stage Sonic clearly has invincibility frames when he grabs the ledge. I'm not sure why the invincibility frames are lacking when Sonic comes down from the platform though. But its safe to say that invincibility from the "respawn" platform are still in as well as ledge frames.

 

[vonfinell]

I think the removal of flashing time would be strange. Although that invincibility time may have been cheap, since it gives the person just killed a huge opening to essentially even things out again without risk, it was also a large part of most people's strategies (I know it is part of mine) so people might complain.
There is the possibility that it just hasn't been put in yet, although that is unlikely. As far as I can see it will most likely come back somehow. It's just a video game staple.
If it isn't included, than that's alright as well, I suppose. It will force people to get back into the game and thereofre make things move quicker, but it hought that Sakurai said that he wanted things to be a little slower in this game? Eh, who can understand what that crazy guy is saying half the time anyways...

 

[The Hypnotist]

This widens the gap between good players and bad players. The invincibility frames helped noobs get a chance to breath when they come back from dying. Now when they comeback they'll just jump right back into the ownage again. I think I'm going to enjoy that a lot.

Exactly what I was going to say!

QFT!

I can't wait to FC quick nair the hecka out of these noobs and then right when the come back float on level with the respawn platform and own. Seriously, this is great for use advanced players!

 

[AzureKiteSky]

Personally, I think that making recovory easier in any way would be fun. I think it would add more skill to the aspect of directly koing an enemy.

but back on respawning, heres what I think. Invincibility+attacklock until your feet hit the ground. I admit that the respawn invincibily takes away from the consistency of the match, but respawning itself can also create an unfair positioning disadvantage .

 

[Vortok]

I kinda hope it was taken out for the demo... though shortening it a tad (maybe a second or so) in Brawl compared to Melee would be ideal. Otherwise we'll end up with stuff like floaty characters geting uair'd by Fox and friends.