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Awkward Moments Mafia - Game over! Scum wins! Will a SD game ever see a town victory?

#HBC | J

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Asdioh....;_;

I'm sorry duder, I should've been here for you.

Glad I'm only in two games now. So I guess thanks for ending this early!
 

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Yes. Yes I did.

I stalked you N1 and found you were the doctor and still didn't kill you N2 because I wanted you around in endgame.
 

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stuff:

town got pooped on, or more accurately pooped on themselves

I didn't like this set up as it was too much in scum's favor. If I could go back in time and change it I would. A lot of what was flawed with this set up is kinda the result of stuff that was editted out of the oringal draft, leaving the set up to be kinda awkward (aha aha aha).

This game was made to be in scums favor, not gonna lie, but I just over did that a bit.

no MVP
 

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How was it in scum's favor? If we had killed Kantrip or one of us ha gotten lynched we would have been ****ed.

Also the entire scum team played obvtown for the entire game. I was pretty much the only one under scrutiny that last Day which was primarily due to PoE more than anything else.

What I'm trying to say it, regardless of whether an MVP is given to the scum our not, this was a game of scum winning rather than town ****ing itself up until it lost.
 

#HBC | J

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http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/kjRaLiNVnQt

Here's my little area that Swords gave me after I died the first time. Nothing really that much. Stalker and Re-director with a Vanilla-Cop+Miller+Doc combo and a traitor, yoooooowch. Oh wellz, thanks for hosting Swords. You were a great mod altogether and thanks for letting me give you my notes which ended up having me replace in not once, but twice.
 

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modding was great, thx sword

damn good job kantrip (except for the very end which was hella unnecessarily risky but W/E it worked)

umad J :troll:
 

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idk J, I thought Fynal was pretty townie.

@sword: do you think the vanilla cop role was underpowered?


@Kuz: who were the options for lynching on D2? Why did you risk changing it to FM?
 

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What was risky about the end? I knew I would get felipe to vote with my post, and I knew he would be unable to unvote anytime soon (I counted invisible users just in case, but felipe doesn't even use invisible, and I checked and he wasn't online).

Did I slip prior to revoting RR? Because I felt completely safe.
 

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Town didn't poop on themselves like in Megaman. The thing is, no one took a leadership position. And when you realize the town roster, town needed to be carried badly and not be led at the last minute by Kooz/Fynal at the end of each day phase. I am at fault for this the most as I didn't push either and was too passive. I really wasn't aware of how much hand-holding I had to do to force the situation into a reversal and when I found out, I was sort of appalled. I was also happy that I died. I was aware that the game would be pretty rough.
 

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Because at that point I didn't know Kantrip was a traitor and thus thought we were looking for an indy.

I 100% thought FM was an indy and thus wanted him dead at all costs hence why I lynched him.
 

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if one of us left or something, or there were other random people viewing that weren't us when you counted, you'da been boned

just seems like if you'd waited and let us do it ird been safer
 

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I considered that, but I thought you guys didn't know there was a traitor. In which case you wouldn't push an alpha strike.

I got hella worried when kuz made that FM case.
 

#HBC | J

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This game certainly did help my reading ability and glad I took more of a backseat. Usually I am more of a front-runner but I decided to read more, D1 was sloppy but then I began to realize things. I just hate D1 and should look more afterwards. xD I need a flip to help solidify things.
 

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Um yeah, Kantrip was the best player this game, by far. Like, I could see some scumminess in him later on but for the most part he was hella town looking, which really surprised me. Like, even when Kuzi and Fynal were looking for another indy/scum fraction they pretty much never suspected Kantrip until it HAD to be him. This is coming from Kuzi, who has some of the best reads on Dgames.

Kantrip, I'm not gonna lie, I did not have confidence in you at all. When I saw that you got that traitor role I freaked out a little. Hell, remember when I asked you if you understood your role pm? I did that because I was LEGIT scarred that you were gonna do something like out Kuzi anf Fynal Day 1 in your first post. Even if you didn't do that, I thought you were still going to make it mad obvious that you were linked to them somehow by like, avoiding them or something, which seems to be the common newbie scum response. Nah, though, not only did you not fall for any of these traps but you also went through the game looking hella pro town. You never acted unnaturally around scum and for that I give you the imaginary MVP.

I would seriously give it to you if it wasn't for the fact that this town was balls. oh well, maybe next time
 

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Sworddancer. said:
Um yeah, Kantrip was the best player this game, by far. Like, I could see some scumminess in him later on but for the most part he was hella town looking, which really surprised me. Like, even when Kuzi and Fynal were looking for another indy/scum fraction they pretty much never suspected Kantrip until he HAD to be him. This is coming from Kuzi, who has some of the best reads on Dgames.
Truth. Had me fooled.
 

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Kantrip was the only one I had pegged as a sure lead in lylo. I saw a lot of parallels between his play and J's play in FF IX. Let me find what I wrote in the qt:

"Kooz/Asdioh were playing subpar.
Kantrip is not playing like he is in that Zelda game. It's apparent. I didn't figure him to be a traitor. Makes sense with why he is vacillating on reads while not pushing and asking blank questions. I gave Kooz a pass even though his pushes on inexperienced players were weak. I wouldn't have lynched RR today. I think that he would be Saved for a mislynch the next day. I don't know if I would have the balls to push on Fynal. I knew that Kooz was connected to Fynal in that he avoided him all of D1. I should have said something.

I am disappointed with how I replaced in and didn't push. In the end I sheeped just as much as the other townies by not sticking with Kantrip or outing my reach reads which involved Kantrip/Ryker and Kooz/Fynal. ****ing blows my mind that a reach case I came up with ended up being a relationship.

I was sure that Armor was town and committed to carrying him. It is pretty much the Acrostic logic I used before, but it was cemented by another read I had. I ended with a slight town read on Gova, but to be honest I think Gova could have faked a reaction so I was wary of him but thought they weren't a scum team because both of them wouldn't pull of the same gambit in the same game. When it go to Fragmental giving sass, I already had so many people to carry it was getting ridiculous. Fynal and Kooz are flakey, but no one is going to push on them and I probably wouldn't. I might have gone for Kantrip. I would have given up on RR as I saw him as lynch bait. I definitely knew that all the "town reads" were not "town." Pushing that was just ridiculous.

Koopa's double soft claim being missed made me doubt everyone's reads this game. I didn't want to be a **** about it since it didn't give me an outright read. But it gave me more confident in the direction I was moving. Not enough though to lead a lynch. I believe today's lynch is between RR/Fynal. Town can win depending on J's performance. Asdioh is going to be killed after the massclaim. Kantrip/J the following day or possibly Kooz/J. Finally 3-way with Kantrip/Kooz, Red Ryu, Armor. If Armor gets lynched after I made my case, I will be extremely surprised. If Red Ryu/Armor manage to play vote correctly at each day phase I will be incredibly surprised.

It isn't Kantrip being agreeable, it's him doing nothing with the reads. If someone else did an ISO like I did, you would see he's doing what J did in FF IX. Taking questions and chucking them against a wall while he goes out to play with the cool kids.

Wait. That's hilarious. TTK you weren't softclaiming? LOOOOOOOOOOL I found two instances of you implying you were cop. I found the latter one and I have an earlier one.

Also RR if you read this, **** you for not waiting until 11:30 to hammer. I just got out of the shower. =_=

I enjoyed replacing in this game. I'm sorry I wasn't more assertive. I don't believe I would have been able to win if I didn't die. I'm pretty glad I died. I knew I was in the right direction. I just should have combed through the game faster, I didn't realize that this game was so dead and in such dire need of leadership. "
 

#HBC | J

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Lol Gova, dude just let me know when you wanna and I told ya I'd do it any game. xP

I really wanna see the Mafia QT now after seeing the spoiler QT.
 

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Kantrip did exactly what he needed to do as the rest of the members on the scumteam did.

I honestly think this same combo could have run any town with the way we played. Town playing a bit subpar is irrelevant. We kinda kicked ***.
 

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idk J, I thought Fynal was pretty townie.

@sword: do you think the vanilla cop role was underpowered?


@Kuz: who were the options for lynching on D2? Why did you risk changing it to FM?
yes it was

actually felipe got it right with the speculation ofd how this set up was originally suppose to revolve around a lot of vts plus a vt cop, with like another PR that acted as a miller

Actually, for the next marathon games I'm gonna peddle an alternate version of this game in the 11 man slot. It will be much more simple and balanced. It is:

7 vts
1 doc
1 vanilla cop
1 mafia stalker
1 mafia role blocker

towns advantage will be getting 3 mislynches until LYLO. Their disadvantage will be their lame PRs.

scum's advantage would be their powerful PRs
 

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3/3 perfect wins

way2gud

according to the prediction kuz made forever ago, i've got 1 more win before i start losing
 

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How was it in scum's favor? If we had killed Kantrip or one of us ha gotten lynched we would have been ****ed.

Also the entire scum team played obvtown for the entire game. I was pretty much the only one under scrutiny that last Day which was primarily due to PoE more than anything else.

What I'm trying to say it, regardless of whether an MVP is given to the scum our not, this was a game of scum winning rather than town ****ing itself up until it lost.
Kuzi, read this Skype conversation I had with S2 over this:

****
[9/29/2011 11:39:37 PM] Sworddancer: ****
[9/29/2011 11:39:38 PM] Sworddancer: ****
[9/29/2011 11:39:39 PM] Sworddancer: shior
[9/29/2011 11:39:41 PM] Sworddancer: ****
[9/29/2011 11:39:42 PM] Sworddancer: ****
[9/29/2011 11:39:44 PM] Sworddancer: ****
[9/29/2011 11:39:48 PM] Sworddancer: you there>
[9/29/2011 11:39:54 PM] S2: sup
[9/29/2011 11:39:56 PM] Sworddancer: ****
[9/29/2011 11:40:07 PM] Sworddancer: I'm freaking the **** out right now
[9/29/2011 11:40:27 PM] Sworddancer: I thing I may have realized another huge flaw in my set up
[9/29/2011 11:40:30 PM] Sworddancer: *think
[9/29/2011 11:40:33 PM] S2: first step
[9/29/2011 11:40:35 PM] S2: don't freak out
[9/29/2011 11:40:36 PM] S2: duh
[9/29/2011 11:40:45 PM] Sworddancer: too late
[9/29/2011 11:41:13 PM] Sworddancer: so late
[9/29/2011 11:41:26 PM] Sworddancer: town has no idea that there are three scum
[9/29/2011 11:41:33 PM] Sworddancer: like
[9/29/2011 11:41:46 PM] Sworddancer: they might just assume that it's two mafia plus an indie
[9/29/2011 11:41:53 PM] Sworddancer: but it's three mafia
[9/29/2011 11:41:55 PM] Sworddancer: so like
[9/29/2011 11:42:17 PM] Sworddancer: it might be really easy for scum to alpha Day 3
[9/29/2011 11:42:23 PM] S2: why do they not know there's 3 mafia
[9/29/2011 11:42:33 PM] Sworddancer: cause it's a closed set up?
[9/29/2011 11:42:41 PM] S2: but 3 is so standard
[9/29/2011 11:42:46 PM] S2: and the numbers still point to 3
[9/29/2011 11:42:51 PM] S2: isn't it a 12 person?
[9/29/2011 11:42:54 PM] S2: or a 13 person?"
[9/29/2011 11:42:54 PM] Sworddancer: yes, but it's an eleven player game
[9/29/2011 11:42:59 PM] S2: oh.
[9/29/2011 11:43:01 PM] S2: traitor?
[9/29/2011 11:43:04 PM] Sworddancer: yeah
[9/29/2011 11:43:06 PM] S2: welp
[9/29/2011 11:43:07 PM] S2: there you go!
[9/29/2011 11:43:09 PM] S2: it's a traitor
[9/29/2011 11:43:13 PM] Sworddancer: so
[9/29/2011 11:43:14 PM] Sworddancer: ?
[9/29/2011 11:43:25 PM] Sworddancer: traitor votes
[9/29/2011 11:43:38 PM] Sworddancer: after a townie
[9/29/2011 11:43:42 PM] Sworddancer: scumn alpha's
[9/29/2011 11:43:47 PM] Sworddancer: also
[9/29/2011 11:43:49 PM] Sworddancer: what if
[9/29/2011 11:43:51 PM] Sworddancer: like
[9/29/2011 11:44:02 PM] Sworddancer: scum killed the traitor the Night afer
[9/29/2011 11:44:03 PM] Sworddancer: ?
[9/29/2011 11:44:12 PM] Sworddancer: the alpha
[9/29/2011 11:44:20 PM] Sworddancer: then it would be an automatic scum loss
[9/29/2011 11:45:23 PM] S2: does traitor know the scum?
[9/29/2011 11:45:25 PM] Sworddancer: yes
[9/29/2011 11:45:34 PM] S2: well okay
[9/29/2011 11:45:47 PM] S2: if the scum night kill the traitor they're idiots lmfao
[9/29/2011 11:45:57 PM] Sworddancer: but they don't know the traitor
[9/29/2011 11:46:01 PM] S2: hmmm
[9/29/2011 11:46:11 PM] S2: it might be a problem that the traitor knows that there's 2 scum in specific
[9/29/2011 11:46:12 PM] S2: but w/e
[9/29/2011 11:46:28 PM] Sworddancer: *continues to freak the **** out*
[9/29/2011 11:46:42 PM] S2: town's fault for getting ****ing perfected
[9/29/2011 11:46:47 PM] S2: ./shrug
[9/29/2011 11:46:54 PM] Sworddancer: oh, they will
[9/29/2011 11:46:59 PM] Sworddancer: scum's running this *****
[9/29/2011 11:47:05 PM] Sworddancer: hardcore
[9/29/2011 11:47:11 PM] S2: I mean scum obv winning so scum obv. wins
[9/29/2011 11:47:20 PM] S2: and if they night kill the traitor I would laugh my *** off
[9/29/2011 11:47:29 PM] S2: hey hey
[9/29/2011 11:47:32 PM] S2: awkward moments mafia
[9/29/2011 11:47:37 PM] S2: "When you realize scum can alpha on day 3
[9/29/2011 11:47:47 PM] Sworddancer: that's the whole point though
[9/29/2011 11:48:01 PM] Sworddancer: town could be getting their ***** handed to them all game
[9/29/2011 11:48:05 PM] Sworddancer: but one mistake
[9/29/2011 11:48:07 PM] Sworddancer: and bam
[9/29/2011 11:48:13 PM] Sworddancer: town wins by defualt
[9/29/2011 11:50:07 PM] S2: oh
[9/29/2011 11:50:17 PM] S2: you have to remember that traitor doesn't count to scum majority
[9/29/2011 11:50:23 PM] Sworddancer: so?
[9/29/2011 11:50:26 PM] S2: the mafia family is still at 2
[9/29/2011 11:50:31 PM] S2: what's numbers on the next day
[9/29/2011 11:50:36 PM] S2: I haven't been keeping up
[9/29/2011 11:50:38 PM] Sworddancer: okay, here's the numbers
[9/29/2011 11:50:42 PM] Sworddancer: two mislynches
[9/29/2011 11:50:50 PM] Sworddancer: two Nightkills of townies
[9/29/2011 11:50:56 PM] Sworddancer: leaves us at
[9/29/2011 11:50:59 PM] S2: 6 v 2 (+1)
[9/29/2011 11:51:05 PM] Sworddancer: yeah
[9/29/2011 11:51:10 PM] Sworddancer: then one more mislynch
[9/29/2011 11:51:12 PM] S2: what PRs does town have
[9/29/2011 11:51:13 PM] Sworddancer: BUT
[9/29/2011 11:51:25 PM] Sworddancer: the nightkill of the traitor
[9/29/2011 11:51:32 PM] Sworddancer: #v2
[9/29/2011 11:51:35 PM] Sworddancer: 3v2
[9/29/2011 11:51:45 PM] Sworddancer: scum was outted from the alpha
[9/29/2011 11:51:45 PM] S2: night kill of traitor is an obvious loss unless the scum is amazing at WIFOM
[9/29/2011 11:51:59 PM] S2: I mean that's their fault lol
[9/29/2011 11:52:05 PM] S2: wow
[9/29/2011 11:52:06 PM] Sworddancer: but it's really not
[9/29/2011 11:52:07 PM] S2: now that I think of it
[9/29/2011 11:52:11 PM] S2: that's a great gimmick
[9/29/2011 11:52:34 PM] S2: next time I'm a ****ing bulletproof townie I'm going to vote in MyLo so that someone gets hammered
[9/29/2011 11:52:40 PM] S2: and then they try to nkill me and I'm all like
[9/29/2011 11:52:43 PM] S2: aahhhhh yeaaaah
[9/29/2011 11:52:48 PM] S2: get ****ed scum, get ****ed.
[9/29/2011 11:53:04 PM] Sworddancer: that's cool and all
[9/29/2011 11:53:07 PM] S2: anyways
[9/29/2011 11:53:11 PM] Sworddancer: but I'm still ****ting bricks
[9/29/2011 11:53:29 PM] S2: but if they nkill the person that voted first in that line for them they're dumb
[9/29/2011 11:53:36 PM] S2: that's literally the worst possible option
[9/29/2011 11:53:41 PM] Sworddancer: uhhh
[9/29/2011 11:53:43 PM] Sworddancer: maybe
[9/29/2011 11:53:47 PM] S2: but it is.
[9/29/2011 11:53:48 PM] Sworddancer: hmm
[9/29/2011 11:53:55 PM] Sworddancer: okay
[9/29/2011 11:53:57 PM] S2: because you could wifom the next day if you hadn't won yet
[9/29/2011 11:53:58 PM] Sworddancer: you're right
[9/29/2011 11:54:03 PM] S2: that that guy was a part of the scum team
[9/29/2011 11:54:15 PM] Sworddancer: but still, just the fact that this COULD happen
[9/29/2011 11:54:20 PM] S2: and will the scum have the balls to alpha?
[9/29/2011 11:54:28 PM] Sworddancer: good point
[9/29/2011 11:54:34 PM] S2: that's a call they have to make
[9/29/2011 11:54:41 PM] S2: and that decision in itself is part of playing mafia
[9/29/2011 11:54:41 PM] Sworddancer: scum doesn't even know if there is another scum team or not
[9/29/2011 11:54:51 PM] Sworddancer: Fynal thinks there is
[9/29/2011 11:54:53 PM] S2: there could be random****ing indy
[9/29/2011 11:54:53 PM] S2: or a bulletproof
[9/29/2011 11:54:54 PM] S2: or a doctor
[9/29/2011 11:55:03 PM] S2: point is they don't know if they're going to get ****ed or not
[9/29/2011 11:55:04 PM | Edited 11:55:20 PM] Sworddancer: Kuzi thinks there's an indy
[9/29/2011 11:55:09 PM] Sworddancer: true
[9/29/2011 11:55:22 PM] Sworddancer: okay
[9/29/2011 11:55:27 PM] Sworddancer: so when this happens
[9/29/2011 11:55:43 PM] Sworddancer: and Kuzi and Fynal poor salt down my collar
[9/29/2011 11:55:54 PM] Sworddancer: and Kuzi defriends me
[9/29/2011 11:55:56 PM] S2: tell them they're ********
[9/29/2011 11:55:58 PM] S2: oh
[9/29/2011 11:56:02 PM] S2: tell him he's ******** too
[9/29/2011 11:56:08 PM] Sworddancer: and tells me that he will never hydra with me
[9/29/2011 11:56:28 PM] Sworddancer: you're gonna voche for me?
[9/29/2011 11:58:05 PM] S2: that's my job yo
[9/29/2011 11:58:09 PM] S2: I'll say
[9/29/2011 11:58:13 PM] S2: "This is why you're stupid"
[9/29/2011 11:58:17 PM] S2: and then explain it
[9/29/2011 11:58:19 PM] S2: and then if I'm proven wrong
[9/29/2011 11:58:21 PM] S2: I'll say
[9/29/2011 11:58:32 PM] S2: "Any further discussion of this will be infracted."
[9/29/2011 11:58:38 PM] S2: and then PM them on skype and say
[9/29/2011 11:58:40 PM] S2: "gg"
[9/29/2011 11:59:11 PM] Sworddancer: okay
[9/29/2011 11:59:13 PM] Sworddancer: I think
[9/29/2011 11:59:15 PM] Sworddancer: I know
[9/29/2011 11:59:29 PM] Sworddancer: now that everything will be OKAY
[9/29/2011 11:59:54 PM] Sworddancer: andifitcomestotoitimkjusttellingmafianottonkkantripgfnfdhngfdnfg
 

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Thanks :)

I understand your concern though. I'm new to mafia and I could have been that kind of player. If I was dumb I could have ruined this whole game.

NVM ninja
 

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Kantrip did exactly what he needed to do as the rest of the members on the scumteam did.

I honestly think this same combo could have run any town with the way we played. Town playing a bit subpar is irrelevant. We kinda kicked ***.
Kooz. Town were pushovers. Every member of town had to carried. You killed J when he replaced in. Your adversaries were: Fragmental, Armor, Gova, Red Ryu, July (replaced), and Asdioh. Town lynched according to who they didn't mind losing to, there was no pressure on any decisions, only complacency. It was disgusting. Nothing went challenged that day. Tell me, was Frag applying heat? No. Was Armor applying heat? No. Was Gova applying heat? No. Was Red Ryu applying heat? No. Was Asdioh applying heat? No. Town played horrifically and there was such a pervading sense of apathy that they just sheeped at anything. Look at the end of D1 and how they get off Ryker's slot to lynch TTK at the last minute, disgusting. Look at the end of D2 and how they got off of RR/Fynal lynches to switch to Fragmental at the last minute, disgusting. There really was a lack of town giving a genuine **** about this game to the point where you have Felipe stupidly voting on what was likely lylo and opening up an alpha.
 

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J you let me down? 0_0

Actually, uhhh mafia qt is a no go. Cause Moth is in it, somehow, and you don't want to go in there with him, do you?
 

#HBC | J

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Yeeeees I do even if Moth was in there.

Oh I thought I did based on what I read in the Spoilers QT. o_O" My bad, you wanted some activity and I didn't follow through with it really.
 

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lol sword you thought I'd unfriend you and **** for your decision?

lol its a game dude nbd. if you still wanna hydra someday id be down.
 

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o__O was i a lynch option at the end of D2? i don't remember that. thought it was D3

oh well i prolly deserved it

i legitimately didn't have the time to play for 95% of D2, and for that i'm sorry to kuz/sword, and then as the lynch got close i went to ohio for 3 days and my posting mechanism consisted of convincing/bribing my sister into letting me use her ipad. derps.
 
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