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Awkward Moments Mafia - Game over! Scum wins! Will a SD game ever see a town victory?

#HBC | ѕoup

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Life is a ***** sometimes, I'm on my break just to post this lol
 

July

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Where's that novel at, Soup?

@July, what do you think of FragMental at this point?
I still do not like FragMental tbh, And I think that his reaction to Ryker's gambit is null; of course as town he would say that he didn't recieve a pm, but as scum he would be dumb to say he received a message when he didn't anyways. His response to the gambit after that was very reactive; he asked other people how they felt but he's been very reluctant to give his own reads unless provoked, especially when it comes to Ryker who was the main wagon at the time and whose gambit is something worthy of conversation.


Admittedly I like Ryker's recent posts, even though I didn't like his gambit it's something I could see him doing as town. I'm not completely comfortable with him, but I'm not as comfortable lynching him either. I would be fine with lynching Gova, as well as Frag which is my personal scum pick but I haven't and don't have time to make a case toDay ><

Vote: Gova

Kuz, Asdioh: Gova, Ryker, or someone else for toDay's lynch? I'll be here after class, so around 5 pm, and I'm willing to change my vote to anyone but Kuz, Asdioh, Fynal, Kantrip or TTK. I actually like TTK better than Frag at this point, he hasn't talked as much but when he does he's much less prohibitive about what he says than Frag.
 

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Soup, did you rejoin EM after joining this game?


Vote: Gova

don't like this, but don't know where it would be better spent, except ryker.

assuming we lynch Gova, imo investigation should be between ryker/july or maybe kuz toNight.
 

th3kuzinator

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welp that was much quicker than expected. with my pledged vote thats L-1. 11 hours to choose, Gova get to claiming.

:phone:
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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I have both, where do you think I'm posting from?

Anyways, this was after, I got pressured to coming back on an alt and the community is all that ****.
 

#HBC | Dancer

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1. Ryker (3) - th3kuzinator, Fynal, Soupamario
2. th3kuzinator (1) - MOD
3. Fynal
4. July (1) -Gova
5. Soupamario
6. thethirdkoopa
7. Kantrip
8. FragMental
9. Gova (4) - Ryker, Kantrip, July, Asdioh
10. Armor
11. Asdioh

Not Voting: Armor, FragMental, thethirdkoopa

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch!

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Kuzi has recieved a MOD vote for editing a post.

Searching for a replacment for Soup now.
 

Gova

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being caught singing and/or dancing when I thought I was alone, vanilla townie.

I ain't scum though.
 

Gova

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Oh, right. People should man up and admit if they're voting me because they think I'm scum or because I'm a policy. It will help town in the long run hopefully.
 

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Going to work. Will be back before deadline. Largely a policy lynch, Gova.
 

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holy crap posts

i busted my *** on calculus yesterday so when i get home i'll have time to do stuff
 

th3kuzinator

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Gova if you're not scum, who is? If you're town then you know you're not the play but your defense isn't really suggesting an alternative. We have 7 hours left and the only other plausible wagon is Ryker yet I still don't even know your stance on him.

If you are town can you do something please.

Frankly Gova's complete lack of effort/caring makes me believe his claim. In RO, even though he lurked he would still defend himself with actual content when he was in danger of being pressured. Here it honestly looks like he just doesn't give a ****. I wanted to lynch Gova on the prospect of him being scum and I'm not comfortable lynching just on policy after all the **** that happened toDay. If that is the main reason everyone is currently on the wagon, Gova is the wrong lynch.
 

#HBC | Ryker

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And I'm the right one? You'd best be talking options now if you're looking at doing something else. I'm perfectly content with this lynch.
 

th3kuzinator

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1. RadicalFiction (Ryker/Swiss)
2. Kuz
3. Fynal
4. July
5. Soupamario
6. thethirdkoopa
7. Kantrip
8. FragMental

9. Gova
10. Armor-not-in-the-OP-yet
11.


Bolded need to promise me that they're not going to replace out (or get modkilled) because I don't know them (or they're soup)
Also just remembered this lol.
 

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And I'm the right one? You'd best be talking options now if you're looking at doing something else. I'm perfectly content with this lynch.
No **** you are because its not your lynch.

And I'm still voting you, aren't I? Only other lynch that I would be okay with is TTK.

Answer me this, Ryker. Are you voting Gova because he's inactive and deadweight or because you think he's scum.
 

#HBC | J

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Well guess who decided to make a guest appearance for a little bit! Heyos haha, didn't think I'd be the replacement but guess so. I'm already caught up and actually had been taking notes on this game individually for fun in my down time and I'm gonna be posting them shortly but seems I'm in and I hope it's not too much of a bother.

Just a fore-warning, I'm going to be a bit in the background with activity sense but I'll try and stick around. I don't have my role-pm yet but I'll get it shortly however I can still play without it for a little bit. Let me go try and grab some of my notes after I do some homework and get back into the swing of mafia.

Thanks for having me and it'll be fun! Some new faces.
 

#HBC | J

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Actually, let me go ask Swords, if it will be alright for me to post my notes since I showed him them. ^^"
 

th3kuzinator

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****in with ya, this game might actually get interesting now.

At the very least activity will increase which is always good.
 

#HBC | Ryker

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No **** you are because its not your lynch.

And I'm still voting you, aren't I? Only other lynch that I would be okay with is TTK.

Answer me this, Ryker. Are you voting Gova because he's inactive and deadweight or because you think he's scum.
I'm voting him because he could be scum and is deadweight. More importantly, I'm voting him because he's not me and lynchable.

@J - Are you still playing my AGame? I'm looking to start it really soon and confirmation would be nice. Also, hi.
 

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I'm voting him because he could be scum and is deadweight. More importantly, I'm voting him because he's not me and lynchable.
Why is he scum? Your reasoning from before pertained to RO meta which now has turned out to be false. Gova says he had more stances in RO because he knew the scumteam while he is not the least bit worried about pressure/his lynch in this game while he was in RO. Gova would have buckled down by now and given content/tried to be useful if he had any penchant for survival.

Does the intent behind his recent posts really look scummy to you, Ryker? Or do they resemble a disinterested townies?
 

#HBC | J

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Got my role pm and also can show my notes.

@Kuzi: I was about to say haha. It will be interesting.

@Ryker: Yuppers. I am still in DGames but just reading things now a days but waiting for the AGames cuz I can do those since I said I would.

[collapse=9/16/11]I like Kuzi/Soupa, pretty town at the moment and I am like 78% confident in that. However I am in utter shock when I see that they have fought pretty emotionally in thread which could be fabricated but I don't think Soupa is at the level to fake it that well but with a partner like Kuzi, who the hell knows ya know what I mean? Well I have them as town at the current time so yay. (For the record, agree with Kuzi. That "gambit" was lawlzy.)

Asdioh is another one I wanna say is town at the current time but it's not AS confident. I like him as town though and I don't really see him as scum at the current time. He is being pretty open about things and being an individual instead of a sheepy sheep. So I am confident with him.

Fynal from what I can remember is making me wanna have him as town but hmmmmmmmmmm something's odd but still so he is like leaning town. Same with Armor however I usually wanna mark Armor as obvtown but he is different from what I remember but there is nothing really memorable from either slot to make me wanna mark either as town or scum.

July my dear is perplexing but what else is new? I wanna say town because I am usually mesmerized by her in games but she is an odd one, I wanna have her as a null because I was reading her reads post and I did not get her at all. However, I did not get why she left out TTK when she was posting tells. To me, that's a little slip of neither of them being scum with one another because July is very analytical and would make sure to mention both or the other only scum-buddy in her game if she was scum. She could still be scum and so could TTK but together, me thinks not. Overall null, wanna say with some more town points then scum-points. Subject to change.

TTK on the other hand I have not liked really and his posts do not come off as real to me. He kind of just seems to be joking around not doing much of anything at all. I don't really get any stances from him but that could be just because he is new. However, just meeeh I need something real from for me to get a better read but at the moment, I like him as scum.

Kantrip, seems really towny at the current time with things going along. I like him and he can live. Idk what to say but his posts just come off as really towny and I like how he has been gauging people for reactions. He is still new to mafia it seems but I like what he is doing.

FM, ....I forgot about him a bit because he is such a background poster. Again, similar problem with TTK. May just because I have never played with him before or anything and he is new I think, but I think he is scummy a bit. Other people are coming across much more townier and he is just sitting in the nulls with more scum-points then town points. I haven't seen much of anything that makes me wanna change my mind on this notion yet.

Gova, lurker as ever but leaning more towards a scummy lurker Gova than a towny Gova. He isn't really providing much content from him and actually just literally sailing along. However, I think some of the players just don't know how to play with Gova that much and is not asking him the correct questions to gauge a good response out of him but because of my other reads, I have to sadly put him in the lower section of my nulls.

RF is just a non-presence and not at all sad to see that slot go for a D1 lynch. Nothing good from them and nothing really to lose from their lynch besides like ALOT of info but meh, win some, lose some.

Town: Kuzi/Soupa/Asdioh/Kantrip
Null-Leaning town: July/Fynal/Armor
Null-leaning scum: RF/FM/Gova/TTK

Those are in chronological order so far and I am pleased with them at the moment. No strong scum-reads but I am comfortable with that for what I saw. July is maybe looking like a town PR, same with Fynal or Armor and they don't know how to play with it. Gova could be and that's why he is super-duper lurking hard but I just don't know. RF needs to start posting or get out.[/collapse]

[collapse=9/19/11]If this was anyone but Asdioh, I would probably call that a scum-slip. I wonder though, uhm no views have really changed. Except the fact that if RF does flip town, Kuzi should be looked into more because of the way he is pushing this uber hard when he really doesn't have to and it could just be a way to make himself look town enough to where even if RF does flip town, he has a backdoor ready to jump out of.

However, I do like the questions he has been asking so I'm fine with him as town. Though I think it's good to have a little paranoia around a slot sometimes because it re-enforces some thoughts sometimes.

Btw, my view on whether RF will flip scum is a literal coin toss. If they flip scum, lucky shot. If they flip town, uh oh well. IMO I would rather be pushing TTK for his scumminess but that may be n00biness I am mistaking it for.

If TTK is scum, I like Armor as scum for this post. Connection? The way he backs out of giving a real answer on TTK when he does have posts is odd and his Gova read is meh. I could see Armor being one of TTK's/Gova's scum-buddies from this post. Which kind of lines up with a thingy or two I think.

But yeah, I don't think Kuzi (if he is town) is going up the right track with this RF thing and should be more focused on what else is going on instead of trying to prove that he can get RF lynched. *shruggers* See that's the main thing that's bugging me, I like having Kuzi as town but his push on RF is really nasty when looked into retrospectally. Simply put, it's tunneling to it's highest degree on a slot that has nothing substantial really to push. And that seems to be the main reason he is pushing them is because of a lack of explanation for things. The town is comprised of newer players or players that are more carefree in their styles so that Kuzi can just gets who he wants as his lynch choice and it'll most likely happen.

Speaking of scum-reads, This post made me like FM more. Like I am looking at it more analytically and I am trying to figure it out what I did like about it. The thing I am seeing that I like is that it is very independant to think the way he is and I don't see scumFM doing a post like this. He doesn't matter about having his own opinion on things and I like what he asked July because looking back, it's true what he says.

So this is how it's looking like for me after more thinking even though the game is pretty slow atm.

Town: Kuzi/Soupa/Kantrip/Asdioh
Null-leaning town: July/Fynal/FM/Gova(eeeh kay lol =p)
Null-leaning scum: TTK/Armor
Useless: RF *own category for just utter nothing really*

I kind of wanna move Asdioh lower with the null-leaning town reads for the moment but over those other players he seems more towny. They are in order atm. Though July-Fynal are interchangable. Armor is new because I like him as TTK's buddy and I don't like a few of his answers as of late. Gova could be scum but he's hard to read. If Kantrip is scum, I'd be throughly pleased with his play at the current time because I don't see anything THAT scummy from him. Almost as comfy with him as Kuzi/Soupa. (Soupa could still be scum but lol, I kind of give him a pass for a lot of scummy stuff because it's him. Scum-tells = Town-tells = whaaaaaat? xD)

*just re-read pg 10-11*

Uhm, scratch that Katnip thing, have him as my strongest town-read atm above Kuzi-Soupa. Duder's playing more towny and I am still about equal on the towniness of July/Fynal.[/collapse]

[collapse=9/22/11]Like now I am ready to do this because it would need to have been done by the time I was in the game. However I like how it seems the town is agreeing with my train of thought (TTK/Armor) and the more I think of it, the more I like it.

Vote: thethirdkoopa

FoS: Armor

If I was in the game at this moment, that's what I would want at the moment. Ryker's gambit was pretty....well I don't necessarily it was that good. It was more of a flail attempt to have him try to look more town and try and reaffirm one of his waffering reads (FM) to a better side.

Soupa is being silly but what else is new? Like what is this half-fast attempt to attack Kuzi when it's (from my PoV) seeming like he doesn't have anything to back up that claim at all. Kantrip has a better case on Kuzi which is actually legit it seems.

Btw, did I mention that because of said gambit, I do like Ryker as my third scum-pick with the current team I have but at the same time I don't like him there because his play is just bad this game. I don't know whether that is indicitive of him being scum or just really misguided town. I wouldn't mind seeing him lynched this game just to be rid of his slot.

His suspicion on Kuzi and Asdioh are just unsubstantiated but I like that he is on TTK but it is hap-hazard. TTK has every right to call Ryker out on that because it's just a statement with no evidence.

I still like Kuzi, but his interaction with Ryker was bad but whenever those two interact when they aren't like lovey dovey with one another (in a bromance way) it's usually bad. *shrug* Like Kantrip a lot more but I already bumped him up to pretty strong town. I like Asdioh more and Ryker's attempt to try and vote him was no me gusta. July's last spur of posts come across as null to me and I don't really get much of anything from her but enough from her if that makes any sense which is odd. Fynal is....hmmm I could actually see him be scum IMO. But thing is it's odd. I need to do my reads list to help collect some thoughts.

This is in order from town-scummy in each category.

Town:
(1) Kantrip
(2) Asdioh
(3) Soupa
(4) Kuzi
Null-leaning town:
(5) FM
(6) July
Null overall:
(7) Fynal
(8) Gova
(9) Ryker
Null-leaning scum:
(10) Armor
(11) TTK

TTK/Armor is who I would like to see lynched. Ryker is expendable by all means. Gova needs to do more even though he is a lurker mostly because I am having a hard time reading him. Fynal moved down because his last couple of posts are just interjectory comments and nothing that is like scum-hunting. I liked him earlier so he sits at the top of the nulls. Reason why FM moved more townier then July is because I honestly just can't see him as scum. He is too independent and just so not caring but that's not the right way to put it. It's like he is not really concerned for his life but he is still generating content that is good in my eyes. Soupa moved above Kuzi due to his temper tantrum and Kuzi moved down because his attack on Ryker is odd however I still like him as town but just like 64% now. He just is not THAT towny as opposed to the other three. Asdioh/Kantrip, both, I would have a hard time seeing as scum like at all.

But yeah, TTK/Armor are my scum-picks and that is all that really matter in the end. If Ryker is lynched, no real loss to town unless he's a PR. Sorry, no links because these are just generic feels and vibes based off the posts I have read in the past couple of pages. (13-15 of 40ppp)[/collapse]

Yeah, the last bit of notes are a little outdated but nothing much of anything has happened really in the past 4-5 days since I last did an intensive read-through of posts. I really hope this is enough for now. Uhm, I would absolutely love a TTK lynch but the time is so limited. Lemme re-evalute that last few posts to see if it changes any reads around a bit. If I remember, I like Ryker a bit more, and July a lot less.
 

#HBC | J

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Kuzi, you don't like a Ryker lynch anymore it seems and seem to dislike a Gova lynch. How would you feel about a TTK lynch over those two?
 

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I actually don't dislike a Ryker lynch. I'm still voting him for a reason. I would be okay with a TTK lynch if we could switch in time. I won't have town split between wagons, though. In the face of a no lynch I will vote Gova is we have no other alternative.
 

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Why is he scum? Your reasoning from before pertained to RO meta which now has turned out to be false. Gova says he had more stances in RO because he knew the scumteam while he is not the least bit worried about pressure/his lynch in this game while he was in RO. Gova would have buckled down by now and given content/tried to be useful if he had any penchant for survival.

Does the intent behind his recent posts really look scummy to you, Ryker? Or do they resemble a disinterested townies?
Gova would also have had more time in RO, but that's neither here nor there.

You're asking me to have a town read on Gova for a complete lack of content and I won't give you that. It's null leaning scum and that's where it deserves to be. He's a big question mark and he's going to remain that way.

His last posts could be disinterested townie or it could be disinterested scum. I disagree with your assessment on interest equating to alignment.
 

#HBC | J

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Vote: thethirdkoopa

Kuzi/Ryker, can I get your opinion on July? Her 722 post? Since I have you both here it seems and I am curious to see what you think of her since I haven't heard either of you two talk that much about her.

I'll...hmm idk really. I guess I'll vote whichever one of Gova/Ryker has the most votes at deadline because atm, I have scummier people I would rather lynch over either however it's really how the votes lie.
 

#HBC | Dancer

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Bah, fine.

Deadline extended for ONLY another 18 hours (cuz J's mostly already read up).

New deadline in 09/28/11 at 6:00pm EST.

I swear I'm too nice.
 

#HBC | Ryker

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Kuzi/Ryker, can I get your opinion on July? Her 722 post? Since I have you both here it seems and I am curious to see what you think of her since I haven't heard either of you two talk that much about her.
I always, without fail, have a scum read on July. Right now she sits on my scum list because her reads lie pretty much opposite mine.

In particular with her 722 it's a bunch of non commitment. "I have a scum pick, but I've been too busy." She's stated why Frag is scummy, but hasn't and isn't doing anything to chase it. She's voted Gova and said she likes me better, but then lists a bunch of players that she would be willing to lynch.

There's nothing in there that's straight up damning, but it's not a good post. Why?
 

#HBC | J

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July, I don't get why you like TTK. You did give some reasoning but it doesn't really give much as to why, you just say he's better than FM atm and actually does stuff which I don't get at all.

July said:
I actually like TTK better than Frag at this point, he hasn't talked as much but when he does he's much less prohibitive about what he says than Frag.
It's....odd

<3 Swords. Thanks a lot!
 

#HBC | Ryker

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July, I don't get why you like TTK. You did give some reasoning but it doesn't really give much as to why, you just say he's better than FM atm and actually does stuff which I don't get at all.



It's....odd

<3 Swords. Thanks a lot!
I skim July's posts. I didn't even notice that sentence the fourth time I read it.
 

#HBC | J

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Dammit, apologies. >.<

July said:
I actually like TTK better than Frag at this point, he hasn't talked as much but when he does he's much less prohibitive about what he says than Frag.
It's....odd that you say this because I don't get it. Can you show proof as to what you mean by this. I feel FM has been giving more content than TTK and also has townier posts. If you have time, I'd like to a see a comparison of the two by you.
 
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