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ATTENTION ivysaur trainers
- Thread starter Steeler
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T-block
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What's the hitbox look like on frame 1 of release?
it's not max range, it's going to be from where ivy launches itself to about 1/3 of the max distance i'm guessing
chuckles is working on ivy, i can whip up a quick fsmash thing though
max range is on frame 3 btw
and during release, ivysaur has a property where not all of the hurtboxes are "displayed", which basically means partial invincibility so keep that in mind
chuckles is working on ivy, i can whip up a quick fsmash thing though
max range is on frame 3 btw
and during release, ivysaur has a property where not all of the hurtboxes are "displayed", which basically means partial invincibility so keep that in mind
T-block
B2B TST
I'm finding this very hard to believe lol... max range on frame 3?
What's the uncharged version like? x.x
What's the uncharged version like? x.x
well first let me explain exactly how smash attacks work
there's first a start up animation that lags it every time you use the move
then there's a frame that allows you to charge if you are holding a or z
then after that frame, the animation for the attack portion begins (like charizard's dsmash, where he hops up and lands and then the hits come out)
with ivysaur's fsmash, all of the lag is in the first animation, and the charge frame is the last frame before the hitbubbles come out
the first animation takes about 16-18 frames or something, so that's how long an uncharged version takes
unfortunately there's about 40 frames of lag after the attack but it has a ton of range and partial invincibility. with the shield pushback of a charged fsmash at max range, it's still pretty difficult for most characters to punish it
so basically it's an awesome mindgame and if they do ANYTHING other than shield, you can immediately react and hit them. and if they just sit in the shield, the pushback is pretty good.
watch some of magik's ivysaur videos, he does it all the time
there's first a start up animation that lags it every time you use the move
then there's a frame that allows you to charge if you are holding a or z
then after that frame, the animation for the attack portion begins (like charizard's dsmash, where he hops up and lands and then the hits come out)
with ivysaur's fsmash, all of the lag is in the first animation, and the charge frame is the last frame before the hitbubbles come out
the first animation takes about 16-18 frames or something, so that's how long an uncharged version takes
unfortunately there's about 40 frames of lag after the attack but it has a ton of range and partial invincibility. with the shield pushback of a charged fsmash at max range, it's still pretty difficult for most characters to punish it
so basically it's an awesome mindgame and if they do ANYTHING other than shield, you can immediately react and hit them. and if they just sit in the shield, the pushback is pretty good.
watch some of magik's ivysaur videos, he does it all the time
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
hey andy
Zard fsmash better imo
Zard fsmash better imo
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
I never have that problem.
Its probably because of superior training.
Its probably because of superior training.
Toby.
Smash Master
fact of the matter is that properly spaced zard fsmash is one of his best tools for beating marth's aerials.
therefore i lovesss it
therefore i lovesss it
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
Typh.
I honestly believe that you can be the very best pokemon trainer.
Why did you let Luis crush your joy?
<3 IRL
I honestly believe that you can be the very best pokemon trainer.
Why did you let Luis crush your joy?
<3 IRL
MaTA
Smash Ace
actually Typh it has a hit box below her too 
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if someone spotdodges on the exact same frame that you hit the c-stick over to start f-smash won't it hit anyway?
or would it just be better to hold it and then let go when you see opportunity..
I've been trying to dash attack kill more though...its quite reliable and helped me step my ivy game up
or would it just be better to hold it and then let go when you see opportunity..
I've been trying to dash attack kill more though...its quite reliable and helped me step my ivy game up
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
TKO were you fighting G-reg on the live stream for pound 4?
I saw your pt pretty legit.
kristan2000
Smash Rookie
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Most of Squirtle’s moves revolve around shooting water which san deflect moves and make people slip, sorta like Mario’s water pack. His Up+B recovery is decently useful and it can push people out of your way if they meet you in midair.
His tail whips are decent enough for A attacks, but he’s really not much of a head on combatant. That doesn’t my personal play style, so I find myself rarely spending a lot of time with him, except for novelty’s sake.
Luckily, all three Pokemon come together for a pretty **** effective Final Smash. I love the little text box that pops up, just like when you attacked in the original game. Nice touch there. Plus, the beam itself is wide reaching and powerful, able to sweep up opponents trying to avoid being swept up and do a lot of damage to those caught directly in its path. Overall, it’s a pretty great FS that fits the character(s) and the series. Don’t know how I’d change it, really.
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His tail whips are decent enough for A attacks, but he’s really not much of a head on combatant. That doesn’t my personal play style, so I find myself rarely spending a lot of time with him, except for novelty’s sake.
Luckily, all three Pokemon come together for a pretty **** effective Final Smash. I love the little text box that pops up, just like when you attacked in the original game. Nice touch there. Plus, the beam itself is wide reaching and powerful, able to sweep up opponents trying to avoid being swept up and do a lot of damage to those caught directly in its path. Overall, it’s a pretty great FS that fits the character(s) and the series. Don’t know how I’d change it, really.
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Toby.
Smash Master
I learned a lot from kristan's post.
Toby.
Smash Master
shhh it can hear you!
http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/B-Radicate/ssbb-character-critique-pt-9-79823.phtml
does the squirtle section remind you of something
that is a ****ing incredible spam bot though, i have to give it props
does the squirtle section remind you of something
that is a ****ing incredible spam bot though, i have to give it props
Magik0722
Smash Champion
I always knew it was too good
Phiddlesticks
Smash Lord
whats next steeler, are you gonna tell people to use more nair?
or that ivysaur does bad against meta knight?
or that ivysaur does bad against meta knight?
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
Dang Phiddlesticks, that was a late troll. You're slacking, bro.
Phiddlesticks
Smash Lord
im not trolling, fsmash and upair have always been ivysaur's best kill moves
if people are just noticing this now, they are simply noobies (like steeler)
if people are just noticing this now, they are simply noobies (like steeler)
Phiddlesticks
Smash Lord
shut up steeler
you are just SHELLOS i know more about ivysaur than you do
you are just SHELLOS i know more about ivysaur than you do
T-block
B2B TST
oh hohohohohoo
PokemonMasterIRL
Smash Master
Upsmash is Ivysaurs best Kill move.
Shield breaker combo FTW?
Shield breaker combo FTW?
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
I approve of this Pokemon pun.
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yea that was me....thanks man...I didn't know if anyone was watching....Jiggz Mad Hard tho cuz im not patient...lol
Edit: in doubles my squirtle is a stock tank (ill be living to like 180) so of course hes gonna be tired....is it hurting my team if i dont switch out even tho hes tired but yet i know if i switch to ivysaur at a high percentage i would die like as soon as i get hit?
MaTA
Smash Ace
I guess it really depends on the situation. If you can do some damage and your teammate does damage try and refresh dthrow while you're alive. Also who you're playing against is a factor and stage. Just be smart about it.
T-block
B2B TST
Nah it's not too bad, since you can rely on your partner to get the KOs. If your teammate is teaming with Squirtle he should be expecting to be used to your lacking KO power. Squirtle will still do very well at disrupting your opponents' play, so it's not necessarily hurting your team.
I'm not saying you should always keep Squirtle out in that situation... just that in 2v2s, fatigue shouldn't be as big of a factor in deciding when you should switch.
I'm not saying you should always keep Squirtle out in that situation... just that in 2v2s, fatigue shouldn't be as big of a factor in deciding when you should switch.
Zigsta
Disney Film Director
Squirtle's great in doubles, even when fatigued. It's hard for opponents to keep up with Squirtle's shellshifting antics while also focusing on your ally. His fthrow and bthrow also throw the enemy low enough to the ground for a lot of smashes to hit as well.
SSGuy
Smash Champion
I secondary Ivysaur and I seem to get more kills off up Uair than I do with Fsmash. Can you stutter step his (Ivysaur) Fsmash by any chance?