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That makes sense. I was aware of her being able to reach such tall characters with the first active hit frame behind her, but was skeptical that it would lead into the same footstool opportunity due to different (less) base knockback then the old, latest active hit frame method. If anybody ever cares to produce video evidence of it being inescapable, I would love to see it, but I'll take your word that it's possible under the right conditions.
The question.. Does it work on cloud? That's for sure our worst mu
I've only fought a good Ryu once at a tourney, and they can be a pain for Peach. Your best tool is gonna be Dair. Use it to approach, edgeguard, and go through fireballs. It's difficult to kill Ryu on stage because he's heavy and can be hard to land a kill move on, so edgeguard him to get the kill. If he uses sideB or upB, use toad. As soon as he gets launched offstage, immediately get a turnip to use offstage becuase Ryu is good at fighting his way back onstage.
There's a thread specifically for Cloud, but I'll paste what I said. And I thought the same thing, but Cloud is relatively simple if you wall him out.
Try to just SH Dair, without the float. Floating is very slow, so if you approach floating you are giving your opponent more time to react. Also SHAD is an option, but don't abuse it or you opponent will start reading it hard.
is set to jump so it's (held) (tapped) . You can do it without going through a platform but it seems harder to time.
Thanks for the advice. Short hop to Dair works when the opponent doesn't shield, but since I can't float if I do SH-Dair, it's not safe on shield since the opponent can punish my landing & you can't space it well if you don't float your Dair. You can only land in front of them, whiff the move or land behind them if you just SH-Dair. That being said, I don't use SH-Dair much because of this.
Different characters are good against different playstyles or matchups. In this case Lucina was a more effective pick because you were able to punish his defensive habits much harder than with Peach. Peach can be a scary character or punish hard too, though, although usually not with shield breaks, and because she's slow rolls usually aren't punished very hard either unless they roll into your Fair or Usmash or something. Your playstyle with Peach might also be less focused on punishing these habits, whereas with Lucina it is.
She has a few kill confirms but none if them are very bread and butter. Her turnip Jump turnip can combo into Fair for the kill but it's somewhat situational because your opponent is rarely in the range for the turnip to hit, and if they throw out an aerial it will beat the turnip anyway. She also has float > release float while going towards the opponent > turnip throw > dash attack, or turnip Dthrow > Fair, or Zdrop Turnip into Fair or whatever attack, but again all of these are situational.
I was unaware of the turnip kill confirms though it doesn't surprise me since Saturn leads to kill confirms too. I knew dthrow was a combo throw but I was unaware it could lead into kills, no matter how specific. I figured di would ruin any chance of it leading into kill moves.
If the opponent DIs away and inputs jump and airdodge at the same time, they wi escape it, but timing it a jump and airdodge seems much harder than it sounds, so Fair will often hit them regardless if they try. This too is quite specific though.
What do you mean? Uair spike works best on aerial opponents or tall opponents if that's what you mean.
I really like Dark Pch's videos on youtube, I learned a lot there when starting out as a peach player.
Just use this calculator. It's super easy to use and has pretty much anything you want to know.
I think at this point most players, not just Peach mains, know Mr. Saturn breaks shields. However, because shielding is such an instinctive reaction to many players, they may often times use shield out of pure habit despite the fact that their opponent is wielding a Mr. Saturn.
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