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Ask a quick question, get a quick answer (The Marth FAQ's)
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Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
Well put, good sir.
Usmash is most likely your most damaging follow up, utilt is probably the safest, although usmash is generally safeInle~Orichas said:
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
one of my favorites is the fsmash but you could grab too if you want and then follow up with even more frightening strings
can someone please explain planking? i read up on it a bit but still dun totally understand it.
can someone please explain planking? i read up on it a bit but still dun totally understand it.
It's basically ledgedropping into regrabbing the ledge, using the ledge invulnerability to minimize how often you can be hit and the position right under the stage to keep a positional advantage. Except doing that repeatedly. For the rest of the game. And doing an attack or something if they try to hit you off the ledge.
In other words, camping the ledge and fishing for a timeout. Obviously this is much more effective when you have multiple jumps and multiple recovery options, like Meta Knight.
Yes ^^. Definitely go for the fsmash in all other circumstances though. Better damage.
Other random stuff I'd like to see more Marths use (that they may or may not know of). I'm still a noob so take it as you will.
Usmash oos wrecks dash attacks/poorly spaced aerials -- more % than a Snake ftilt + it juggles
Fullhop dair onstage is good (when used sparingly)
Fthrow - walk forward - fthrow is sexy. Just powershield any incoming aerials and punish.
Dthrow - wait - fullhop bair is too good
More ftilt use. Great vs ledgehopped/jumped aerials when edgeguarding. Pretty sure it ***** ROB's nair when spaced correctly.
Powershield - fsmash oos works sometimes. Very fun.
When on the ledge, stop going for the **** ledgehop dair and just drop bair them xD. I see this way too often.
Darxmarth23
Smash Champion
I might steal a car.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
This most likely isn't anywhere close to a combo, but yesterday I was messing around on the spacies, and I pulled off Dthrow->Dair where you hit with the back swing of the Dair. But I doubt you could do it on an actual opponent, I was doing it against a level 3.
KRiMz0N
Smash Journeyman
oh earlier today on fd wifi battle my marth like, twitched near the edge and did a fair on the ground, then dust animation as if he landed. what is this i dont even
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
didyou save it?
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
wow you're cool now did you come up with that one all by your self?
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
by golly i sure thought it was funny
KRiMz0N
Smash Journeyman
dude hes goin scuba divin
no i didnt save it, over the allotted time. if i sd'd he would have *****ed and moaned
MikeSanti
Smash Journeyman
LMFAOOOOOOOO!!!!
DAMMIT WHY IS THE MARTH BOARDS TOO GOOD!
So question, has anyone been utilizing the double dolphin slash ledge grab thing? If so, how has it been doing regarding matchups?
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
Shaya can you go into more detail about this? Like what kind of dash I have to do in order to get the regrab and stuff. I keep seeing thins about dthrow CG for marth but people keep saying it's poor di and what not.
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
There is only one kind of dash, and no its not about DI. This is guaranteed if u dont whiff a grab or screw up timing. Just dash, grab, throw, lather, rinse, repeat.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
Really maybe I should change my grab button and practice this. I thought you had to buffer something....
Krimzon.
You doing a fair whilst on the stage/not jumping etc etc IS A DIRECT RESULT OF A LEDGE CANCELLED 'JUMP'. Where you are considered in the air and on the ground at the same time (kinda... you just get a weird mix of both).
Marth's hair is a direct example of what you did.
You can buffer dashes, and it would be a good idea to learn how to. Unfortunately you only have 2 frame buffer window to dash from a throw, so it is difficult. Especially as the timing of the throw is different for most characters
You doing a fair whilst on the stage/not jumping etc etc IS A DIRECT RESULT OF A LEDGE CANCELLED 'JUMP'. Where you are considered in the air and on the ground at the same time (kinda... you just get a weird mix of both).
Marth's hair is a direct example of what you did.
You can buffer dashes, and it would be a good idea to learn how to. Unfortunately you only have 2 frame buffer window to dash from a throw, so it is difficult. Especially as the timing of the throw is different for most characters
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
a 2 frame window doesn't seem like much time. buffer dash i just tap dash twice right?
Power of Slash
Smash Ace
too many pages to surf through to get this confirmed, and I just absolutely cannot drop this feeling, even though it's. quite. known by now I would guess.
You guys(the marth mains) already know about Marths Throw strings(y'know the whole Fthrow -> Fthrow -> Fsmash and all that) well this one concerns Snake, and I've done so many tests, on actual humans, computers, everything but I am still unsure.
Is Fthrow -> Dair Tipper(spike) a legit chainspike at 11% or below? let's take an example from 0%. I could be on the half way mark of battlefield. Do 3 Fthrows in Marth's string throw succession, and each time I have tested this this leads to a Dair Tipper. I'm wondering if there's a way to DI out of it, any of that stuff that would nullify this.
If need be I can also record a vid to show what I'm talking about.
Even if this is not legit the Fthrow sets a position for a Dair tipper anyways. so It's a nice string.
You guys(the marth mains) already know about Marths Throw strings(y'know the whole Fthrow -> Fthrow -> Fsmash and all that) well this one concerns Snake, and I've done so many tests, on actual humans, computers, everything but I am still unsure.
Is Fthrow -> Dair Tipper(spike) a legit chainspike at 11% or below? let's take an example from 0%. I could be on the half way mark of battlefield. Do 3 Fthrows in Marth's string throw succession, and each time I have tested this this leads to a Dair Tipper. I'm wondering if there's a way to DI out of it, any of that stuff that would nullify this.
If need be I can also record a vid to show what I'm talking about.
Even if this is not legit the Fthrow sets a position for a Dair tipper anyways. so It's a nice string.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
that seems pretty legit to me slash depending on the character they may survive though I think d3 can survive and same with shiek but the spacies prob die from a spike so early.
Shaya says that Snake can always get out of it through jumping.
Unless he HAIRS IT.
Unless he HAIRS IT.
KRiMz0N
Smash Journeyman
is the cg on fox and falco at 0%?
Dthrow CG starts at 7%, the 2 fthrows at the start set it up for the rest.
Thunder Of Zeus
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assuming marth hairs it, is there a string marth can do from a jump-escaping opponent out of the grab-release?
KRiMz0N
Smash Journeyman
alright, cool
isn't snake easy juggling from a uthrow though? i uthrow'd snake in a tourny match 3 times then uaired him once before he got out of it
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
Marth can juggle snake so well you'd think he was a clown in a past life. I pretty much always uthrow snake since it puts him in a position to get *****. You are pretty much guaranteed uthrow->utilt -> regrab if you are smart about baiting a reaction from snake. The best thing about juggling is that it keeps your fair and fsmash fresh and allows them to kill once you are done pinballing snake in the air.
Lord Chair
Smash Master
Oh hello there,
Why is it that tourny Marths never approach D3 with SH fairs? Can D3 shieldgrab a spaced fair?
Why is it that tourny Marths never approach D3 with SH fairs? Can D3 shieldgrab a spaced fair?
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
Depends on the fair. A SH fair, standard, can probably be SG'd because you're dedicating yourself to the attack. I see Marths all the time approach DDD with SH Retreating fairs, though. Other options are safer sometimes, though
nobody jumps with it
MikeSanti
Smash Journeyman
Marth vs DK , Yoshi's Island.
DK breaks Marth's shield, Marth is in the air, lands near the edge of yoshis island and I was able to jump the moment I landed. I inputted Shield before I hit the floor as well as jump. Any reason for this?
Found my answer. Tilted edge.
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
Slopes. Whenever something wierd happens on yoshi's its because of the slopes. Sliding cancels out shieldbreak stun.
MikeSanti
Smash Journeyman
Thanks, just did it in training mode lol
Thanks. That clears a lot up.
I've checked through the stickies and the Marth guides, but I still feel I need a little bit of help with "mindgames">_>
I know a lot of people don't necessarily approve of the term, but is there anything that can be offered without video critique?
Just general, personal techniques would be fine, I'm just looking for a starting point to develop my own.
I've checked through the stickies and the Marth guides, but I still feel I need a little bit of help with "mindgames">_>
I know a lot of people don't necessarily approve of the term, but is there anything that can be offered without video critique?
Just general, personal techniques would be fine, I'm just looking for a starting point to develop my own.
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
Mindgames = baiting attacks and or actions from your opponent. Things like, jumping at your opponent so they airdodge then either fairing when they are vulnerable or fast falling and grabbing them. Just learn now to make your opponent think you are doing one thing then take advantage of it.
Thunder Of Zeus
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or provoke them. i love taunting my opponents into reckless approach (=
dtauntmindgamezzz
dtauntmindgamezzz
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
or fsmash at a distance to whiff and make your opponent try and rush in for a grab only to have a DS busted in their face
wellspacederrorminedgheymz ^_^
wellspacederrorminedgheymz ^_^
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
^i used to do that mindgame a lawt... wifout the DS part
Dash to shield destroys your mindgames. And is the most abused safe approach by the faster characters in this game.