Are There Times and Situations In Which Suicide Should Be A Option?

[Miggz]

Hello, my fellow debaters. My name is Miguel, but a lot of people know me as "Miggz." I'm a smasher from Bermuda with a pretty interesting debate topic for all of you. This topic actually came up in a psychology class a few nights ago.

Ok so as the title asks, "are there times and situations in which suicide should be an option?" In your eyes, do people have the right to take their own lives? Obviously, this is a very difficult question to answer, especially if the individual considering it is terminally ill and wishes to end his or her suffering.

In my opinion, I don't think its right for humans to decide when they die. Despite the pain or suffering an individual is going through, more often then not, the sufferer will be surrounded by loved ones. Wouldn't it be selfish to kill yourself knowing full well you are surrounded by people who still love your dearly? Just imagine the impact your scheduled death could have on them. What if your actions lead to the suicide of family member? These are questions I think some people don't ask themselves.

Furthermore, the act of suicide appears to violate a lot of the values and rules we have been taught about the sanctity of life. Its also considered a sin in the canonical law of Catholic Church. In most countries, suicide is considered illegal, but go figure, the person isn't around for the law to get them.

Life is extremely precious, and each and every one of us is privileged to have one. Despite the many religious point of views, the truth is none of us know what will happen to us when we die. Sure, suicide may help solve troubles in this world. But does the person committing suicide assume they will simply cease to exist or live another life?

To sum up my point, I'll end with this. What occurs after death is unknown. Killing one's self would simply be like running in a pitch black cave with no source of light.

Keep in mind this is simply my opinion on the topic. This doesn't make my point of view more significant or inferior to anyone else's. I invite you to speak your feelings and thoughts on the topic.

Let us debate!

 

[Palpi]

Ending your life because you are critically ill, but will survive for say 1 month then die is understandable.

Committing suicide over loss, or over something you never had I think is selfish. There is a abundance of people who kill themselves and leave their loves ones who cared for them behind. It is almost like passing on the problems to someone else.

A lot of people commit because they are confused and are depressed without fully realizing what they would miss in their lives if they were dead. Back 7 or so years ago in elementary school, this girls father tried to commit murder / suicide. He came into his wife's work shot her and then took his own life. (The wife didn't die) He left behind a wife that previously(?) loved him, and a daughter one year younger than myself. The man may have thought that killing himself could solve all of his problems for himself and his loves ones, but little did he know he left a tortured family behind because of his selfish actions.

No matter how much you think of suicide, in my opinion there is always a better option. Like miggz said, "Life is extremely precious" so don't waste it

 

[GSUB]

Ok so as the title asks, "are there times and situations in which suicide should be an option?" In your eyes, do people have the right to take their own lives?

I say, yes.

Obviously, this is a very difficult question to answer, especially if the individual considering it is terminally ill and wishes to end his or her suffering.

I agree that one should not kill them self because they are suffering. Life has many hurdles which one should find a way over. After each hurdle, you are closer to the finish line and are obviously more experienced dealing with such hurdles.

In my opinion, I don't think its right for humans to decide when they die.

I agree, but it seems like this is more of a religious bias which I don't think should come into play (I could be wrong though).

Despite the pain or suffering an individual is going through, more often then not, the sufferer will be surrounded by loved ones.

Using the term, "more often than not," should not come into play. You have already stated that this question of suicide is applied to ANY situation.

Wouldn't it be selfish to kill yourself knowing full well you are surrounded by people who still love your dearly?

This is probably the biggest reason as to why one should not commit or, "complete," suicide. ("Complete suicide" is an alternative way to say "commit suicide." This term is usually used by people who have been affected by a suicide in their life and don't like the harshness of the word "commit" and feel that the deceased one has not "committed" any crime.)
And being surrounded by people who know you are going to die and are basically just waiting for you to die, being sad and empathetic all the time until your death doesn't sound too good. It's great to be aware of the love though.

Just imagine the impact your scheduled death could have on them. What if your actions lead to the suicide of family member?

I don't think this would lead to the suicide of any loved ones. If anything, a "scheduled" death would prevent it. The loved one would, hopefully, be able to come to terms with the death and realize that it was inevitable. As opposed to a sudden and unexpected death, which could leave them heartbroken.

Then I say to you:
Just imagine the feeling the loved ones and family members will have knowing that this ill person is definitely going to die, and that they must be aware of there unavoidable death every day. I think that would be more unbearable.

Suicide should only be an option when one is aware of an impending death.

These are questions I think some people don't ask themselves.

I think anyone in this situation would ask these very questions. Actually, maybe not in a sudden spur of the moment situation, were they were so in the moment of sadness and depression that they killed themselves (which, if sane, and the had not done so they would have been glad they didn't commit suicide while in such a deep emotional pit).

Furthermore, the act of suicide appears to violate a lot of the values and rules we have been taught about the sanctity of life. Its also considered a sin in the canonical law of Catholic Church.

Yes, because on a normal day, one should not want to kill themselves. These are extreme situations.

In most countries, suicide is considered illegal, but go figure, the person isn't around for the law to get them.

The only thing that can be done to prevent suicide is through the help of loved ones and suicidal awareness. There's not much anyone can do about suicide when no one is there to stop it.

Life is extremely precious, and each and every one of us is privileged to have one.

A privilege as opposed to what? If someone has the privilage to live, shouldn't they also have the privilege to, well, not live?

Despite the many religious point of views, the truth is none of us know what will happen to us when we die. Sure, suicide may help solve troubles in this world. But does the person committing suicide assume they will simply cease to exist or live another life?

It seems like you're trying to question whether or not the person committing suicide will be "punished" in the afterlife (given there will be one). It would appear that suffering in a minuscule life, compared to an eternal life, would not be worth the risk. I agree.

To sum up my point, I'll end with this. What occurs after death is unknown. Killing one's self would simply be like running in a pitch black cave with no source of light.

Slightly irrelevant. You make it seem as if there is a light in this cave if one knows they are going to die a natural death. In any situation involving death, one will not know what awaits them.


Great topic
Much respect towards you.


-Cameron (GSUB) M.W.

 

[KrazyGlue]

"Are there times and situations in which suicide should be an option?"

I don't think we should be able to come up with a definite answer, unless one of us has been in one of those situations. Most people don't know what it's like to feel that way, and therefore, have no real ability to judge whether it's right or wrong. Until you fully understand what the person feels like, you can't really judge what they should do.

Personally, I would say that it is a person's right to take their own life. You can't really prevent people from committing suicide anyway, so there's no point in outlawing it or whatever.

In terms of whether it's morally correct or not, it all depends on the situation, I suppose. There are all sorts of factors that effect the morality of it, such as family, the kind of suffering, drugs, etc.

 

[Palpi]

"Are there times and situations in which suicide should be an option?"

I don't think we should be able to come up with a definite answer, unless one of us has been in one of those situations. Most people don't know what it's like to feel that way, and therefore, have no real ability to judge whether it's right or wrong. Until you fully understand what the person feels like, you can't really judge what they should do.

Personally, I would say that it is a person's right to take their own life. You can't really prevent people from committing suicide anyway, so there's no point in outlawing it or whatever.

In terms of whether it's morally correct or not, it all depends on the situation, I suppose. There are all sorts of factors that effect the morality of it, such as family, the kind of suffering, drugs, etc.

I don't even look at the person's committing suicides perspective IF he does have loved ones, that truly care for him. I think killing yourself would be selfish and wrong, no matter how "Tragic" his life may be if leaving loved ones behind is one of the immediate costs.

Also, it is a debate, there usually is no definite answer Opposing view points and different perspectives is what make debates.. deabtes :D

Outlawing suicide will do nothing, agreed. I do not think someone has the right to take their own life. They weren't the ones deciding if they were to be born or not. It was there parents and no I am not saying that the parents should decide. (lol weird) That is a good point though, hard to stand a view point.

 

[Chis]

This thread is about euthanasia right?

My answer is no, because people can receive help which is available to ease their pain. If their having suicidal thoughts, it could be just be the depression, and someone could help them think clearly. Making suicide where I live legal, will only encourage the idea of it being the 'easy' option, which would be counter active the our governments aim to help people life longer. People think that just because their quality of lives have worsened, means they have nothing to live for. There are people and agencies the can restore that. There quality of life, will improve. Many of these people say the want to be self dependent, they want to be able to do things themselves. I say that's silly, if there is help take it. Put pride a side. Another reason is that they want to die in dignity, I don't see the dignity in killing yourself. More like cowardliness.

 

[KrazyGlue]

This thread is about euthanasia right?

My answer is no, because people can receive help which is available to ease their pain. If their having suicidal thoughts, it could be just be the depression, and someone could help them think clearly. Making suicide where I live legal, will only encourage the idea of it being the 'easy' option, which would be counter active the our governments aim to help people life longer. People think that just because their quality of lives have worsened, means they have nothing to live for. There are people and agencies the can restore that. There quality of life, will improve. Many of these people say the want to be self dependent, they want to be able to do things themselves. I say that's silly, if there is help take it. Put pride a side. Another reason is that they want to die in dignity, I don't see the dignity in killing yourself. More like cowardliness.

1. The help groups often don't help that much.

2. Some people aren't thinking straight and won't accept help.

3. I doubt you fully understand the way that they feel.

4. Help groups can't cure painful terminal illnesses.

5. You seem to be lumping all the possible reasons for someone to commit suicide into one easily curable group.

 

[Palpi]

If you take your life when times are bad, not only did you end your life in your apparent worst period, but you let your feelings, emotion, and action hurt the people around you. You are passing the problems to other people, because you took your life, you were too sick, dilusional to handle them yourself. I understand why someone would want to kill themselves, though I STRONGLY disagree in doing so.

 

[:mad:]

You guys are thinking about things too literally. The only time you should consider suicide is during war to prevent giving any secrets. Besides that, you commit suicide if you're dying with no chance of survival. I won't go into any gory details on that, but those are the only too acceptable times when you should knowingly take a life.

 

[Palpi]

I agree. The war thing is kinda funny, though true. Melo and I have had this conversation about this many times. We always come to the conclusion that you just stated. It just isn't acceptable.

 

[GSUB]

I don't think we should be able to come up with a definite answer, unless one of us has been in one of those situations. Most people don't know what it's like to feel that way, and therefore, have no real ability to judge whether it's right or wrong. Until you fully understand what the person feels like, you can't really judge what they should do.

I don't really agree with this. At all. By those viewpoints, no one should be able to talk about anything that they haven't experienced. Or make laws about things that don't concern them to the fullest extent.

ex: We shouldn't outlaw murder, because we really don't know what it's like to be filled with so much hate that we want take another persons life. We don't fully understand what the person feels like, so you can't really judge what they should do.

ex: Men should have no say concerning abortion for it is a situation that women must deal with.

Personally, I would say that it is a person's right to take their own life. You can't really prevent people from committing suicide anyway, so there's no point in outlawing it or whatever.

I agree with you on this.

 

[:mad:]

You aren't entitled to take a life, even your own. I apoligize for the consise post, but that's really the only thing that we still disagree on.

 

[GSUB]

You aren't entitled to take a life, even your own. I apoligize for the consise post, but that's really the only thing that we still disagree on.

Entitled? Then who is entitled to? If such an entitlement exists.
(this would possibly imply a religious bias? That only God can take a life?)

 

[:mad:]

Entitled, you're not given the right to take a life. Suicide is murder, which causes more problems than it solves. I'm not a religious person, I haven't really decided on a religion, so I won't blindly claim I'm christian.

Nobody is entitled to take a life. You don't have a responsibility to murder. Nobody does. The only time that's ever acceptable is for survival.

 

[GSUB]

Entitled, you're not given the right to take a life. Suicide is murder, which causes more problems than it solves. I'm not a religious person, I haven't really decided on a religion, so I won't blindly claim I'm christian.

Nobody is entitled to take a life. You don't have a responsibility to murder. Nobody does. The only time that's ever acceptable is for survival.

"Given the right"
What rights are we "given"? And from whom are they granted?

 

[:mad:]

By being born. By being a human, and being born in certain parts of the world, you're given rights.
You're not discussing much, so it's not worth debating about in the PGs.

 

[Narukari]

I believe that when a person has a painful terminal illness that they should be able to decide whether it's worth it to live through it. There isn't going to be any better times, since the illness is going to kill them. The only thing they have to look forward to is months/years of constant pain and suffering.

And I agree with GSUB, who's the one dealing out all these rights, and why didn't they give us the right to end our own life. If you mean the government, the laws regarding assisted suicide is a state matter and not a federal one. Oregon does not ban assisted suicide, but you have to have a doctors approval and the doctor that performs the action cannot be forced to do it. So according to our government, you do have the right to take your own life in certain circumstances.

 

[Zero Beat]

Entitled, you're not given the right to take a life. Suicide is murder, which causes more problems than it solves. I'm not a religious person, I haven't really decided on a religion, so I won't blindly claim I'm christian.

Nobody is entitled to take a life. You don't have a responsibility to murder. Nobody does. The only time that's ever acceptable is for survival.

I disagree, the only life you're entitled to take for sure is your own. The rest sort of goes like "If I make an attempt to take your life, I am giving you the right to make an attempt at mine."

"Given the right"
What rights are we "given"? And from whom are they granted?

To expand on that, I'd like to copy/paste one of my posts from the main room.

I love people who ignore huge incurable errors. Not a "We don't know yet" error, like "Where does additional genetic information come from?" but "This is provably wrong" errors like "Only one person's decision gets to stick." I like how only one person's decision gets to stick but you get to appeal to as many people as you want.

Recursion gets mighty fun mighty quick:-p.

Protip: Question questions. Watch watchers. Rule rulers. Kill killers. There's actually two separate but clear trends in recursion:

Things that self-nullify, and things that amplify, when recursed. For example:
A recursive no is a yes, A recursive yes is a...? Respect for respect creates greater respect. Apathy about apathy doesn't do anything. Hatred of hatred is just stupid. I mean, you can hate hatred, but then you're back at square 0. You see how that works?

 

[GSUB]

By being born. By being a human, and being born in certain parts of the world, you're given rights.

It appears to me as if you're avoiding the question.
Once again. You said, "given."

To give: To grant (permission, opportunity, etc.) to someone

Therefore it must be from someone.

You're not discussing much,

I need to know your reasoning before I can further discuss the topic with you. Or else I am making assumptions.

so it's not worth debating about in the PGs.

The point of debating is learn things, and give others the opportunity to learn.
"Remember, debate to teach and learn because arguers always lose" - Zero Beat

I disagree, the only life you're entitled to take for sure is your own. The rest sort of goes like "If I make an attempt to take your life, I am giving you the right to make an attempt at mine."


To expand on that, I'd like to copy/paste one of my posts from the main room.

Well stated. You have expressed what I was unable to. This is perfect.

 

[Narukari]

I love people who ignore huge incurable errors. Not a "We don't know yet" error, like "Where does additional genetic information come from?" but "This is provably wrong" errors like "Only one person's decision gets to stick." I like how only one person's decision gets to stick but you get to appeal to as many people as you want.

Recursion gets mighty fun mighty quick:-p.

Protip: Question questions. Watch watchers. Rule rulers. Kill killers. There's actually two separate but clear trends in recursion:

Things that self-nullify, and things that amplify, when recursed. For example:
A recursive no is a yes, A recursive yes is a...? Respect for respect creates greater respect. Apathy about apathy doesn't do anything. Hatred of hatred is just stupid. I mean, you can hate hatred, but then you're back at square 0. You see how that works?

I don't think I understand that last part of your post. Killing someone who wants to kill you doesn't recurse. It ends after the first iteration. Either you killed the person trying to kill you, or they killed you.

I don't get how this ties into whether suicide is an option, or about who determines our rights.

 

[GSUB]

I don't think I understand that last part of your post. Killing someone who wants to kill you doesn't recurse. It ends after the first iteration. Either you killed the person trying to kill you, or they killed you.

I don't get how this ties into whether suicide is an option, or about who determines our rights.

I think this is dealing with the "given rights" aspect of the discussion.
We have the right to end our own life. And we give others the right to take ours by existing, or trying to take theirs.

 

[Narukari]

Sorry, had to quote a quote.

This topic is moving too fast. >.<

I'm talking about that recursion thing. While it works on logic problems and mathematics, it doesn't work with real life.

It's perfectly reasonable to respect someone else's respectful nature, and for them to respect your respectful nature. This just leads to two people having respect for each other. It doesn't recurse upon eachother until they have super-respect for each other. It just ends there.

Apathy about apathy doesn't recurse, it's just not caring about people who don't care about anything.

Hating hateful people doesn't recurse either. I'm sure there are people who hate the KKK because of their hateful ways.

 

[KrazyGlue]

I don't really agree with this. At all. By those viewpoints, no one should be able to talk about anything that they haven't experienced. Or make laws about things that don't concern them to the fullest extent.

ex: We shouldn't outlaw murder, because we really don't know what it's like to be filled with so much hate that we want take another persons life. We don't fully understand what the person feels like, so you can't really judge what they should do.

ex: Men should have no say concerning abortion for it is a situation that women must deal with.

That is a pretty good point. However, both of the examples you provided deal with taking the life of others whereas I was dealing with taking the life of yourself.

I think this is dealing with the "given rights" aspect of the discussion.
We have the right to end our own life. And we give others the right to take ours by existing, or trying to take theirs.

I agree on this. Besides, the point I made earlier that you quoted was in favor of giving people the right to commit suicide.

___________________________________________

Straked, you said suicide is usually out of the question, but provided examples of when it is acceptable. The thread is about if there's ever a time that suicide is acceptable, so we're essentially agreeing in terms of the thread topic.

In terms of whether it is within someone's rights, people should be able decide what happens to themselves as opposed to the government deciding. Plus, even if it was outlawed, you couldn't stop people from committing suicide. So it would be pointless. The person would be arrested after they were dead.

As to whether it is morally correct, again, it really depends on the situation. Like I said before, family, drugs, the reason for suicide, etc. are all very important factors.

 

[Narukari]

In terms of whether it is within someone's rights, people should be able decide what happens to themselves as opposed to the government deciding. Plus, even if it was outlawed, you couldn't stop people from committing suicide. So it would be pointless. The person would be arrested after they were dead.

Generally the law part comes into consideration when someone is unsuccessful at killing themselves. Then they will be arrested and put into a rehabilitation clinic. A person who helps someone else commit suicide can also be arrested for murder.

 

[GSUB]

That is a pretty good point. However, both of the examples you provided deal with taking the life of others whereas I was dealing with taking the life of yourself.

You are right. I should have provided better examples. Those two are just the most extreme cases. It is purely coincidence that I used examples dealing with death of others in this thread about suicide.

 

[.Marik]

I believe that when a person has a painful terminal illness that they should be able to decide whether it's worth it to live through it. There isn't going to be any better times, since the illness is going to kill them. The only thing they have to look forward to is months/years of constant pain and suffering.

I agree completely on this. Well stated.

Other than that, I don't think people should take their lives. We can't stop people from commiting suicide, but it makes the person seem as a coward, and/or a selfish individual, who couldn't think about others (s)he could be possibly harming by doing so.

"Life is precious". There is a reason why that term was coined. Some people don't get the option to live, either by terminal sickness, or because someone has no respect for fellow human beings. If you just throw it all away... just imagine what other people would give to keep on living. But, fate is fate.

There have been some really, really dumb reasons why people have commited suicide. Such as WoW, their iPod, or something equally trivial. But what if they are going through extreme circumstances? And... they don't have the help needed? I'm not saying they should go through with it, but they may not have known better. May not have had someone there for them.

So. As with most debates, there are a lot of variables. But I don't think people should take their lives. Of course we can't stop them, but if they kill themselves, they aren't ever going to improve their lives, or even have another life. It's over. One decision ended it all.

But, these are just my opinions on it. The only time when suicide should be an option, like Narukari mentioned, is if they are never going to improve, no matter the situation, aand are going through with an excruciating sickness that is bound to destroy them sooner or later. Let them put themselves out of their pain. After all, it's their choice.

 

[KrazyGlue]

There have been some really, really dumb reasons why people have commited suicide. Such as WoW, their iPod, or something equally trivial.

We're discussing wort case scenarios, so trivial suicide doesn't really apply.

But what if they are going through extreme circumstances? And... they don't have the help needed? I'm not saying they should go through with it, but they may not have known better. May not have had someone there for them.

But, these are just my opinions on it. The only time when suicide should be an option, like Narukari mentioned, is if they are never going to improve, no matter the situation

Like you said, many people don't fully realize what they're doing. The whole reason they commit suicide is because they think that life will never get better no matter what.

 

[.Marik]

Most suicide cases are trivial, believe it or not. Of course there are people out there with really ****ed up lives, but they usually have the balls to keep on going.

Most people don't know what they are doing, of course not. But it should be common sense to thoroughly think about killing yourself, knowing that your life won't get better if you do so.

Unless people believe in reincarnation, but that only complicates the situation.

 

[GSUB]

Most suicide cases are trivial, believe it or not. Of course there are people out there with really ****ed up lives, but they usually have the balls to keep on going.

Most people don't know what they are doing, of course not. But it should be common sense to thoroughly think about killing yourself, knowing that your life won't get better if you do so.

Unless people believe in reincarnation, but that only complicates the situation.

Even normal people, common-sense thinking people, when thrust into some situations, collapse or act differently than normal. They won't be thinking rationally.

 

[.Marik]

Yeah, good point...

Didn't think of it like that. Of course we could still say "use common sense" but the human mind is much too complicated to understand fully.

 

[Miggz]

Yeah, epic fail. =P

Perhaps we should keep your version. lol

 

[GSUB]

ThE REPLIES ARE FROM MIGGZ!
THE QUOTES ARE FROM ME!!!

I agree, but it seems like this is more of a religious bias which I don't think should come into play (I could be wrong though).

Nah, I'm not too religious. I pray and I do believe in God, but I'm not part of any religion, to be honest.

Using the term, "more often than not," should not come into play. You have already stated that this question of suicide is applied to ANY situation.

I'll admit, you got me there. ^^;

This is probably the biggest reason as to why one should not commit or, "complete," suicide. ("Complete suicide" is an alternative way to say "commit suicide." This term is usually used by people who have been affected by a suicide in their life and don't like the harshness of the word "commit" and feel that the deceased one has not "committed" any crime.)
And being surrounded by people who know you are going to die and are basically just waiting for you to die, being sad and empathetic all the time until your death doesn't sound too good. It's great to be aware of the love though.

Indeed. But at the same time, you can't help but cherish the time you have left with the sickly individual. I mean once they are gone, its not like you can communicate with them right? But I understand what you mean though.

I don't think this would lead to the suicide of any loved ones. If anything, a "scheduled" death would prevent it. The loved one would, hopefully, be able to come to terms with the death and realize that it was inevitable. As opposed to a sudden and unexpected death, which could leave them heartbroken.

Then I say to you:
Just imagine the feeling the loved ones and family members will have knowing that this ill person is definitely going to die, and that they must be aware of there unavoidable death every day. I think that would be more unbearable.

I agree with you for the most part. Yes, I can understand using suicide when the individual is about to experience an unavoidable death. But at the same time, I still think that the person committing suicide shouldn't have any kind of bonds to begin with, you know? Sadly to say, I think these two things should act as specific criteria, if you will. So through my eyes, the suicide is understandable (for the most part) when they are about to die a miserable death, AND the sickly person lacks close family/friends. But that's just me.

I think anyone in this situation would ask these very questions. Actually, maybe not in a sudden spur of the moment situation, were they were so in the moment of sadness and depression that they killed themselves (which, if sane, and the had not done so they would have been glad they didn't commit suicide while in such a deep emotional pit).

Hm, true. But I suppose a better question would be "do they look hard enough for the answers to these questions?"

A privilege as opposed to what? If someone has the privilage to live, shouldn't they also have the privilege to, well, not live?

Well, I suppose it depends. Normally, a privilege grants some sort of advantage or benefit. Since we don't know what happens after death, then its kind of hard to say how killing one's self would actually be a privilege. That's how I see it, anyway. Your point was still very clever, nonetheless. All I can say is that life is indeed a privilege within itself cause if I wasn't born, I obviously wouldn't be able to enjoy the various aspects of life. lol

Slightly irrelevant. You make it seem as if there is a light in this cave if one knows they are going to die a natural death. In any situation involving death, one will not know what awaits them.

Yeah I totally failed with that one. Haha! I'll try my luck at it next time, for sure. :D

Great topic
Much respect towards you.



-Cameron (GSUB) M.W.

 

[GSUB]

gah. failpost. ABOVE POST IS FROM Miggz!!!!! NOT ME!
thanks.

GO HERE MIGGZ!!!!
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=178252

 

[Miggz]

Lol.

Thanks for the link. ^^;

 

[Palpi]

I may (am) going off topic, but it was just in discussion on msnbc. Capital punishment, the death sentence. If you don't have the right to take your own life, to be consistant in your beleifs, you must also say that the government doesn't have the right to take your life no matter if you are guilty or not. That is where I don't know what to beleive.

 

[GSUB]

I may (am) going off topic, but it was just in discussion on msnbc. Capital punishment, the death sentence. If you don't have the right to take your own life, to be consistant in your beleifs, you must also say that the government doesn't have the right to take your life no matter if you are guilty or not. That is where I don't know what to beleive.

By living in this society we agree to live by the rules or suffer the consequences. It's all a little fabrication that we live in for mutual benefit. if someone doesn't agree, they can leave the society. If there were no consequences for "wrong" actions, than nothing would sop peoples malicious intentions.

 

[Chis]

1. The help groups often don't help that much.

I wasn't talking about help groups. I was taking about a certain of care, the name which I've forgotten.

2. Some people aren't thinking straight and won't accept help.

This made no sense.

3. I doubt you fully understand the way that they feel.

The same go to them.

5. You seem to be lumping all the possible reasons for someone to commit suicide into one easily curable group.

They why don't you suggest the other reasons?

 

[Palpi]

By living in this society we agree to live by the rules or suffer the consequences. It's all a little fabrication that we live in for mutual benefit. if someone doesn't agree, they can leave the society. If there were no consequences for "wrong" actions, than nothing would sop peoples malicious intentions.

What was previously said earlier. Killing yourself is murder. Though I don't know if I agree with the broadness of that statement. It makes a good point. The person taking his life isn't punished. He does it through his own actions and physically can not be punished by the government. There is no consequance for what he is doing.. or so he thinks.

 

[GSUB]

or so he thinks.

Elaborate.

 

[KrazyGlue]

I wasn't talking about help groups. I was taking about a certain of care, the name which I've forgotten.

A "certain of care"? That doesn't make grammatical sense. Fix please, so I know what you're talking about. I figured it was about help groups since you brought them up and kind of focused on them.

This made no sense.

How does it not make sense? Look at the posts from me and GSUB at the top of the page. Basically, when some people are under great emotional stress, they believe that their life will never get better, and refuse help because they think it won't make them feel better.

The same go to them.

Again, this sentence... isn't a sentence. What are you saying?

They why don't you suggest the other reasons?

Again, read the other posts. Some things, such as terminal illness and war situations, can't be improved by help groups, and therefore that person is not being "selfish" or "cowardly" or unwilling to get help.


EDIT: What happened to #4? It's practically the answer to your last question.