APEX Fantasy Draft

[TaFoKiNtS]

Hey guys,

I wanted to get a fantasy draft going for APEX

Basically, you draft people who you think are going to do well and get pts based on how they finish.

Anyone interested?

I think a max of 5 people is enough, especially because of the small player pool size.

 

[Sizzle]

A fun idea, but I think ultimately difficult to do because of how last minute the attendance always turns out to be.

 

[TaFoKiNtS]

We will do the draft 2 days before the tournament. I think by then, everyone should have plane tickets to the event.

 

[Dimitris]

If you want to do it propper, you have to have a limited budget and price tags on the players (based on previous nationals?)..

 

[TaFoKiNtS]

Auction Style?

I like very much!

If you want to do it propper, you have to have a limited budget and price tags on the players (based on previous nationals?)..

 

[Blacknight99923]

sounds like a great idea.

Make a tradition of it every apex!

 

[Dimitris]

Yeah, auction style, cause otherwise almost everyone will have the same 5 names. It'll probably be a lot of work though...

 

[Juggleguy]

It should work with a maximum of 5-6 teams, because then everyone could draft a player in the first round with a legitimate shot at winning the entire tourney. Mango, Armada, PP, Hbox, Amsah, Mew2King... there's your first round, lol.

I don't think you need to do it auction style. Just have like 5 teams and snake the order of picks from round to round, ex: 1 2 3 4 5 5 4 3 2 1 1 2 3 4 5 etc. so there's balance.

Count me in.

 

[Violence]

This sounds awesome.

Count me in.

 

[thundrio]

This is a really cool idea, and I had a few ideas if you wanted to make this really fun and interactive.
-if the interest is high enough, have more than one "league" and maybe have a different draft for each game/mode tourney at apex (1-2 for each tourney).
-instead of picking your players in the draft, and then winnning based on overall placement at the tournament, you could pick your team, and then during each round/day you pick 1-2 people you think are going to place well, and gain points on that. the points don't have to be simple win/loss, but you could gain points based on the type of win/or kills you get (eg you would gain 5 points if your player killed someone with an edgehog, and 3 if they killed someone with an ice climber chaingrab (not sure which one is harder, just making it up), and then very little points if the match timed out, or if there was an sd), maybe factoring in player skill.
-if it is fun at apex, we could make this a year long league, where you play your players at all the major/national tournaments. although not all your players might go to every tournament, this could be a strategic element (do i want a really good player who only goes to a few tournaments a year, or a decent player who goes to a lot of tournaments every year).

these are just a few ideas i had, and i volunteer to help with organizing this if it is needed.

either way, count me in.

=)

 

[Alex Strife]

this would be very interesting to really push this would be fun.

 

[Dimitris]

thundrio: yours is maybe a bit too complex to start of with...

It should work with a maximum of 5-6 teams, because then everyone could draft a player in the first round with a legitimate shot at winning the entire tourney. Mango, Armada, PP, Hbox, Amsah, Mew2King... there's your first round, lol.

I don't think you need to do it auction style. Just have like 5 teams and snake the order of picks from round to round, ex: 1 2 3 4 5 5 4 3 2 1 1 2 3 4 5 etc. so there's balance.

Count me in.

That sounds like a good system to do this (I think I understand what you mean ).
Probably best if a few heads decide together which player goes in which group though, to prevent bias a bit.

 

[Cherished Doll]

Im soooo down ! :D

 

[WatchYourRadar]

People used to do this for Halo 2 on occasion. They assign a point value and have a limited budget. You should find a way to add extra points to certain things like 4-stocks or comebacks. That would be freakishly hard to track, but would add a lot of hype I fell. I dunno, just my 2 cents :D

 

[TaFoKiNtS]

I am going with juggleguy's suggestion of a snake style draft

Let's do a friendly wager of $5?

Who's in for sure?

I'll determine the # of points each placing (ie if mango gets 1st, then your fantasy team gets x pts etc...) gets and let you guys know of an official format.

1. tafokints
2. juggleguy
3. violence
4. thundrio
5. doll666
6. ???

 

[Alex Strife]

you should really write down a list of rules / pts / etc once this is done. I will see if Apex Staff will do a write up for this to just show love

 

[TaFoKiNtS]

ah awesome!

So here is how it will work

The league will have 6 teams represented.

The draft will be done roughly 3-7 days before Apex. This will allow us to see the near-final player pool of people participating

The order of the people drafting. Once we have an order established, this will be done "snake style"
Example:

1st round
Player 1 chooses first, then player 2, then player 3, then player 4, then player 5, then player 6.
2nd round
Player 6 will choose first and then it will go in ascending order.

Each team will draft a total of 12 players.
Points will be given to each team based on the placing of each of their players. The points will be the following:

Finished Place
1st 23
2nd 20
3rd 17
4th 15
5th 13
7th 11
9th 9
13th 7
17th 5
25th 4
33rd 3

Made to 3rd round pools 2
Made to 2nd round pools 1

Whoever's team gets the most points gets the pot.

 

[Bones0]

you should really write down a list of rules / pts / etc once this is done. I will see if Apex Staff will do a write up for this to just show love

If you or another TO has time during the tournament, you could upload the singles bracket before the first round so people can fill out a prediction bracket like for March Madness or w/e. lol

 

[Alex Strife]

If we have time def.

 

[TheTantalus]

This is a great idea. You'd have to make a program to calculate stats based off the bracket and pools though. I'm sure there are programmers in the community that can help!

#bionic

 

[Isatis]

I am not good with stat calculation lol

or to make enough sense to actually program it

 

[Dimitris]

Oh ok, I misunderstood what snake style was.. not a big fan. Budget style seems a lot less limited.

 

[Juggleguy]

What problems do you see with the snake style? I think it would work fine.

Example of a fictional draft with teams A, B, C, D, E, F drafting their first two rounds:

Round 1:
A selects Mango
B selects Armada
C selects Dr PeePee
D selects Hungrybox
E selects Mew2King
F selects Amsah

Round 2:
F selects Jman
E selects Zhu
D selects Axe
C selects PC Chris
B selects Hax
A selects s2j

Assuming these fictional results,
1. Armada
2. Dr PeePee
3. Mango
4. Hungrybox
5. M2K
5. Amsah
7. Jman
7. Zhu
9. VanZ
9. PC Chris
9. Hax
9. s2j
...
33. Axe

A would get 26 pts
B would get 32 pts
C would get 29 pts
D would get 18 pts
E would get 24 pts
F would get 24 pts

In this fictional case, the results played out pretty accurately based on who drafted who, except Mango was a small bust for team A with his 3rd place result and Axe was a big bust for team D with his 25th place result. And that's the beauty of the fantasy league, there's a lot of unpredictability involved.

So there's a good amount of potential strategy involved before the draft, for example:
* Does team A take a gamble and draft Mango? His level of tryhard-ness has been inconsistent over the past few nationals.
* Does team C take a gamble and draft PP? Fictional rumors are he's come down with the flu again at this tourney.
* Does team E take a gamble and draft M2K? Fictional rumors are he's going to drop out of Melee to focus more on Brawl.
* Does team D take a gamble and draft Axe? Fictional rumors are he's going all Pichu this tourney instead of Pikachu.

 

[Genghis Pot]

Count me in 100%.

 

[TaFoKiNtS]

Yay thanks for the input Juggle!

I tried to balance the point spread, so that the person who picks 1st or 2nd wouldn't have such a huge advantage. Do you think the amount of pts is reasonable or do you see any potential issues?

 

[Dimitris]

What problems do you see with the snake style? I think it would work fine.

It would work fine, but I think it's not as fun as it can be.

If you'd put price tags on the people (depending on which group you put them in for example, to keep it simple) and gave people who participate in the fantasy league a limited budget, where they're forced to pick between the most expensive players, and add others with the rest of their budget... Then you'd be free in your pick and not limited by whose already been picked and what's left over, because for example 'Mango' can be in many peoples' drafts.



Example: (didn't think much about the numbers)

Your budget: $1000, you have to buy 5 players with your budget.

a player from group A (Mango, Armada, PP) = $ 600
a player from group B (Hbox, M2K, Amsah) = $ 500
a player from group C (Jman, Zhu, Axe, PC Chris, Hax, s2j) = $ 200
D $100
E $50 ....

You'd be free to pick people you're really rooting for, which would add a lot to the fun. Plus any number of people can participate.




Anyways, don't want to go on complaining, cause people like different things and systems, and I respect that. So I'll stop after this, if nobody likes it.

 

[Juggleguy]

But I like the fact that the snake style draft results in a player being on just one team. If 'Mango' can be on several teams in the same league then that kinda defeats the purpose of the fantasy league... snake style still allows you to draft players you want to root for, just maybe not until after the first couple rounds.

Tafo, I think your points system is fair except it puts a bit too much weight on how your 1st and 2nd round draft picks perform in bracket. Maybe up everything by 4-5 pts, so the achievement of getting into bracket is still worth a decent fraction of the achievement of reaching top ten. Also, I think Alex Strife said there would only be a 32-man bracket, so get rid of the 33rd place point value.

1st 28
2nd 25
3rd 22
4th 20
5th 18
7th 16
9th 14
13th 12
17th 10
25th 8
Made to 3rd round pools 6
Made to 2nd round pools 4

^ in my opinion

 

[TaFoKiNtS]

Seems reasonable and puts everyone within a reasonable grasp even if they don't get 1st or 2nd pick

For auction style, it's too hard to determine where B and C level players fit to make it fair. In fantasy sports, the auction system works because there is enough data to work with to determine decent values for everyone in the league

 

[Dimitris]

Alright, snake style it is. Thanks for answering.

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

Sounds hype.

 

[Genghis Pot]

I have no problem with doing a snake draft but I don't understand the logic against auction style. Why does an auction draft mean that there will be more than 1 team in a league owning Mango? Auction drafts are usually considered better because there's more strategy involved in bidding as you can have any player you want as long as you're willing to fork up for him, whereas in a snake you're at the mercy of you're random draft position.

 

[Zoler]

Sounds fun

 

[Cherished Doll]

Like I said Im INSKIIES!

 

[Juggleguy]

I have no problem with doing a snake draft but I don't understand the logic against auction style. Why does an auction draft mean that there will be more than 1 team in a league owning Mango? Auction drafts are usually considered better because there's more strategy involved in bidding as you can have any player you want as long as you're willing to fork up for him, whereas in a snake you're at the mercy of you're random draft position.

It doesn't mean there will necessarily be more than one team owning Mango, but it means there's the possibility of it, which... I dunno, just doesn't seem right to me for a fantasy league. Maybe I'm biased from my previous fantasy league experiences, none of which have been auction style.

 

[Cherished Doll]

So when choicing and who goes first.

 

[kalamazhu]

can i get in?

 

[Battlecow]

Can I get in on this? Sounds fun.

 

[TaFoKiNtS]

Alright, so let's set a draft date. IF you are interested, PM me the following information

Your email
How you'll be able to pay $10 to me, most likely paypal (this will be the entry fee)
Times you are available to draft (Dec 30- Jan 3)

Payout: (6 team league)
1st $45
2nd $15