Announcement from the Legacy Team

[Yeller1999]

This is so much fun. And even better that 1.2 was released a day before my birthday.

 

[Shiver-Star]

This is some great stuff, you know. Btw, there are some suggestions regarding costumes I'd like to make:
How about including a Masked Dedede costume? This one to be exact:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=205098
Another one would be Shadow Dedede, this one:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=206218
This is Robot Ness, from the final battle of Earthbound:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=207089
I'm really surprised regular Mega Lucario isn't in this game:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=206187
The same could be said about Mega Mewtwo Y:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=35253
Also, here's Giygas from Earthbound Beginnings, a costume for Mewtwo:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=205184
This is all I have to comment.

 

[YanPerez97]

new update ?

 

[??Sanic Hedgehog??]

Hmm? 1.21?

 

[davidvkimball]

new update ?

Hmm? 1.21?

Yep. "Cosmetic updates," some other texture fixes, song title corrections, stock icon replacements also.

Also, I'm taking a bit of a break. But I have some crazy stuff planned for 1.3.

 

[zombifiedsquid]

This is by far my favorite custom build, I have few request though. First off would you be willing to add a different song over Sliph C and Mewtwo's Stadium? I love the stages, but the songs aren't the best match up aside from them being Pokemon songs. Second, if you could expand the stage list even further, that'd be amazing!!

 

[davidvkimball]

This is so much fun. And even better that 1.2 was released a day before my birthday.

Well happy birthday, then!

This is some great stuff, you know. Btw, there are some suggestions regarding costumes I'd like to make:
How about including a Masked Dedede costume? This one to be exact:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=205098
Another one would be Shadow Dedede, this one:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=206218
This is Robot Ness, from the final battle of Earthbound:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=207089
I'm really surprised regular Mega Lucario isn't in this game:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=206187
The same could be said about Mega Mewtwo Y:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=35253
Also, here's Giygas from Earthbound Beginnings, a costume for Mewtwo:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=205184
This is all I have to comment.

These are good suggestions, I'll definitely consider them. But at this point I'd most likely be replacing them over more vanilla costumes, which is something I hesitate to do. Also characters like Giygas won't qualify because they're completely different than the original. We'll see about some of the others, though.

This is by far my favorite custom build, I have few request though. First off would you be willing to add a different song over Sliph C and Mewtwo's Stadium? I love the stages, but the songs aren't the best match up aside from them being Pokemon songs. Second, if you could expand the stage list even further, that'd be amazing!!

Thanks for your feedback! Well I must say, I think Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire's Petalburg City music is a great match for Saffron City, and it happens to be one of my favorite town tracks from the Pokemon series. Also the Mewtwo theme that was used in the Mewtwo Project M reveal trailer is gonna stay, too.

As far as expanding the number of stages further, I could do that, however you could no longer toggle whether or not they appear in random stage selection or not. They'd just be on all the time. With the method I use, 12 additional stage slots is all you get with also getting to toggle in RSS.

PS. Speaking of music, I just made a preview video for most of the tracks in Legacy M! Enjoy!

 

[soopercool101]

Well I must say, I think Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire's Petalburg City music is a great match for Saffron City, and it happens to be one of my favorite town tracks from the Pokemon series.

ORAS's version is nice and all, but I'm just gonna leave this here...

Spoiler

 

[CyberMario]

Hey if we are doing music suggestions I got one.

Spoiler

I added this special theme to Pokemon Stadium 2.

And for the original Pokemon Stadium?
The original Gotta Catch them All theme. Can't have one without the other.

 

[Pelet_PR]

THIS PACK IS THE BEST! I'd be awesome if they fixed isaac and lynn (PSA) and add knuckles! BOOM! and then add bomberman!!! lol

 

[??Sanic Hedgehog??]

THIS PACK IS THE BEST! I'd be awesome if they fixed isaac and lynn (PSA) and add knuckles! BOOM! and then add bomberman!!! lol

No, No, and NO!

 

[zombifiedsquid]

Well happy birthday, then!



These are good suggestions, I'll definitely consider them. But at this point I'd most likely be replacing them over more vanilla costumes, which is something I hesitate to do. Also characters like Giygas won't qualify because they're completely different than the original. We'll see about some of the others, though.



Thanks for your feedback! Well I must say, I think Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire's Petalburg City music is a great match for Saffron City, and it happens to be one of my favorite town tracks from the Pokemon series. Also the Mewtwo theme that was used in the Mewtwo Project M reveal trailer is gonna stay, too.

As far as expanding the number of stages further, I could do that, however you could no longer toggle whether or not they appear in random stage selection or not. They'd just be on all the time. With the method I use, 12 additional stage slots is all you get with also getting to toggle in RSS.

PS. Speaking of music, I just made a preview video for most of the tracks in Legacy M! Enjoy!

One more quick thing, would you be willing to swap Mario Maker Mario to a different slot so we have access to Fire Mario again? And personally, I don't care if the stages work like that in random select, I just like having a wide variety of stages, but I respect your opinion as much as I'd love for the each stage to have like 5 different alt versions. As for music, I like really pumped up songs and I'd say 80% of your build lives up to that, but I'd really like to hear more of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK0xyRL1A-k and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G5HIJkkxU0 and less of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdJnZWnTaVw. I really appreciate your work and response time.

 

[davidvkimball]

ORAS's version is nice and all, but I'm just gonna leave this here...

Spoiler

That is beautiful! I like it just as much as the ORAS version, though. So not enough to convince me. Also it seems shorter? Maybe it's not.

Hey if we are doing music suggestions I got one.

Spoiler

I added this special theme to Pokemon Stadium 2.

And for the original Pokemon Stadium?
The original Gotta Catch them All theme. Can't have one without the other.

Haha thanks for the suggestion, but I don't think so.

THIS PACK IS THE BEST! I'd be awesome if they fixed isaac and lynn (PSA) and add knuckles! BOOM! and then add bomberman!!! lol

Thanks! And like ??Sanic Hedgehog?? said, unfortunately that's going to have to be a "no" for now...

One more quick thing, would you be willing to swap Mario Maker Mario to a different slot so we have access to Fire Mario again? And personally, I don't care if the stages work like that in random select, I just like having a wide variety of stages, but I respect your opinion as much as I'd love for the each stage to have like 5 different alt versions.

Here's the thing with the Mario costumes. I only have two choices pretty much, because I can't replace a Dr. Mario costume, and I don't want to change any of Mario's team colors, which leaves only the two costumes I'm already replacing.

And as far as adding alt versions to the expansion stages, I can TOTALLY do that and not have it interfere with the random stage selection stuff. But because how it's coded, if I were to make 3 alts for one expansion stage, I would need to make 3 alts for the other ones as well or it would crash. And right now, file size is a problem. So until I figure out what to do about that, I'll have to hold off on it.

 

[MFMAXY]

believe it's called cool, cool mountain, not snow mountain btw.

 

[Denjinpachi]

Sorry if I sound ignorant, but is Legacy a rework of Project M? or is it like a build that offers different skins? Or is it its own entity?

 

[davidvkimball]

believe it's called cool, cool mountain, not snow mountain btw.

It totally is called cool, cool mountain... man I made SO many mistakes in these track names LOL!

Sorry if I sound ignorant, but is Legacy a rework of Project M? or is it like a build that offers different skins? Or is it its own entity?

Nah you're totally fine! Legacy is basically a mod of PM that brings additional skins, stages, music, and menus to the game. But tournament-legal stages are untouched, as are the PM 3.6 mechanics and movesets. It's meant to be a tournament-viable alternative to PM 3.6.

 

[Crystalruby]

Love the updates that's been coming out lately! Glad the Snapshot glitch was fixed because that was really annoying . Keep up the good work!

 

[Denjinpachi]

It totally is called cool, cool mountain... man I made SO many mistakes in these track names LOL!



Nah you're totally fine! Legacy is basically a mod of PM that brings additional skins, stages, music, and menus to the game. But tournament-legal stages are untouched, as are the PM 3.6 mechanics and movesets. It's meant to be a tournament-viable alternative to PM 3.6.

All right. Because I played a build of it with my friends a few weeks ago, and it seemed like it was just that. It changes no part of the regular 3.6 mechanics at all?

 

[FalconRPG]

Could I have Cookie Country? It's been deleted from SCM. :\

 

[soopercool101]

But because how it's coded, if I were to make 3 alts for one expansion stage, I would need to make 3 alts for the other ones as well or it would crash. And right now, file size is a problem. So until I figure out what to do about that, I'll have to hold off on it.

I don't think that's correct, actually. IIRC the code is made to load the default stage if the alt is missing, and load the default rel if the rel is missing, so you wouldn't have to include alts for all of them.

 

[davidvkimball]

A little sneak preview for 1.3...

Spoiler

Note, these CSPs are not final!

 

[CyberMario]

So I've been trying to build the ISO using Wiimms famous ISO tools to extract the Brawl files, replace them with Legacy files, then try to build the iso again. But when loading the new ISO into Dolphin I don't get past the intro without seeing errors like these pop up and crash the emulator.

I imagine because the gct codes aren't loaded maybe that could be the cause of the crash.
Regardless this is the furthest I've gotten and I don't imagine myself getting any farther.

You can find the tools and information on patching here.
http://wit.wiimm.de/
http://wit.wiimm.de/info/patching.html

 

[davidvkimball]

So I've been trying to build the ISO using Wiimms famous ISO tools to extract the Brawl files, replace them with Legacy files, then try to build the iso again. But when loading the new ISO into Dolphin I don't get past the intro without seeing errors like these pop up and crash the emulator.

I imagine because the gct codes aren't loaded maybe that could be the cause of the crash.
Regardless this is the furthest I've gotten and I don't imagine myself getting any farther.

You can find the tools and information on patching here.
http://wit.wiimm.de/
http://wit.wiimm.de/info/patching.html

I think that's correct. The .gct codes are vital!

 

[CyberMario]

I think that's correct. The .gct codes are vital!

Ok so I manage to force Dolphin to use the GCT codes by converting the GCT file to txt and putting it into the Brawl.ini gecko file. This should make the Legacy GCT file work with my current ISO of Legacy. Everything should work.

It does not. I get the same errors as my previous post. So I'm not sure where those errors are coming from nor how to fix them.

 

[drewilliam]

I really only like half of the stuff here, it would be nice it there was a guide to what each of the files do, so I can just take the ones I please.

 

[Zefolas]

Will regular tournament mode ever be available? Right now whenever you go to Tounament, it goes to the rotation instead of tournament.

 

[??Sanic Hedgehog??]

Will regular tournament mode ever be available? Right now whenever you go to Tounament, it goes to the rotation instead of tournament.

Its a Project M Thing. Tournament Mode Crashes so it takes you back to Rotation so it won't freeze.

 

[Shiver-Star]

Regarding the Mario Maker costume, I honestly think you should replac ethat squid Mario costume, I was never really fond of it so I had to replace with the SSB4 american mario costume.
Also, if we'retalking about songs for Saffron City:

 

[link_AJ]

Does this work on a softmodded PAL Wii? I have both PAL and NTSC Brawl disks.

I'm currently playing PM 3.5 built with an ISO builder, loaded with USB Loader from my HDD>

 

[??Sanic Hedgehog??]

Does this work on a softmodded PAL Wii? I have both PAL and NTSC Brawl disks.

I'm currently playing PM 3.5 built with an ISO builder, loaded with USB Loader from my HDD>

I'm sure it does as long you aren't using a PAL Disk, NTSC Disks only.

 

[link_AJ]

I'm sure it does as long you aren't using a PAL Disk, NTSC Disks only.

Hmm I tried it with my NTSC disk on my PAL Wii.
The game does work, but it completely messes up the color scheme of the game. This is a known issue when playing NTSC games on PAL stuff. On my previous TV the NTSC Brawl would only play in black and white.

So as long as there's no ISO builder, I can't play this game sadly...

 

[Ex2014]

May I make suggestion for some of the costumes?

Can you include some of the new Smash 4 costumes given to some characters, like The FE trio?

Also, for unique skins, can you include The Awakening Roy costume for Roy? It is in the 3.61 leaked kit.

Also, for Sonic, can you add the Fire Red Variant of Ashura:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=206797
And a purple Excalibur Sonic:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=206501

 

[zombifiedsquid]

Two things, would you be willing to remove the Splatoon costumes? No one I've played with has liked them, including myself. The stage isn't all that great either to be completely honest. Also would you be willing to make this compatible with Ridley? That would be incredibly awesome!! :D
http://smashboards.com/threads/unof...-tutorial-in-op.368694/page-135#post-20705495

 

[??Sanic Hedgehog??]

Two things, would you be willing to remove the Splatoon costumes? No one I've played with has liked them, including myself. The stage isn't all that great either to be completely honest. Also would you be willing to make this compatible with Ridley? That would be incredibly awesome!! :D
http://smashboards.com/threads/unof...-tutorial-in-op.368694/page-135#post-20705495

You see, davidvkimball isn't adding Moveset Swaps.

 

[zombifiedsquid]

You see, davidvkimball isn't adding Moveset Swaps.

That's fine, I'm not asking him to, but cbliss makes the game crash due to the fact that pit has extras costumes instead of the basic set. It's not that big of a deal if he can't, but as for the Splatoon costumes and stage...

 

[davidvkimball]

That's fine, I'm not asking him to, but cbliss makes the game crash due to the fact that pit has extras costumes instead of the basic set. It's not that big of a deal if he can't, but as for the Splatoon costumes and stage...

Can you elaborate on the game crashing due to cBliss with Pit?

I'm looking into using BrawlEx instead of cBliss, as a BrawlEx + ASL is in the works, so look forward to that.

And as far as the Splatoon stuff, I getcha. Thanks for sharing your opinion, I don't mind changing some stuff around if enough people feel a certain way about it.

Also, update to the main post, got the ACTUAL portraits in the preview (finally). Oh, how good the weekends are to me!

 

[zombifiedsquid]

Can you elaborate on the game crashing due to cBliss with Pit?

I'm looking into using BrawlEx instead of cBliss, as a BrawlEx + ASL is in the works, so look forward to that.

And as far as the Splatoon stuff, I getcha. Thanks for sharing your opinion, I don't mind changing some stuff around if enough people feel a certain way about it.

Also, update to the main post, got the ACTUAL portraits in the preview (finally). Oh, how good the weekends are to me!

I'm honestly not very savvy when it comes to this stuff other than putting builds on my sd card so...
But I think it has something to do with there being more costumes than normal because it doesn't freeze unless you use certain costumes, same goes for http://smashboards.com/threads/proj...e-asking-questions-or-making-requests.417563/
That's the only thing I can think of, wish I could be of more help and once again I thank you for all your work on this amazing build and I look forward to future updates!

 

[Deleted member]

Phenomenal project, I think it really has the potential to become the definintive custom build with a few tweaks. It's really polished, and the stage selection is superb.

Two things, would you be willing to remove the Splatoon costumes? No one I've played with has liked them, including myself. The stage isn't all that great either to be completely honest. Also would you be willing to make this compatible with Ridley? That would be incredibly awesome!! :D
http://smashboards.com/threads/unof...-tutorial-in-op.368694/page-135#post-20705495

I partially agree with this.

I really like the Splatoon costume Mario has, and feel he should keep it since it really fits the character considering the Mario Sunshine x Splatoon parallels people have drawn. And considering Falcon has an Excite Biker costume, Mario drawing reference to Splatoon is fine imo.

Likewise, I like the Saltspray Rig stage, and considering we have a B-K stage, a KH stage, and a Castlevania stage, I think having a Splatoon Stage is fitting as well.

That being said, the rest of the Splatoon costumes should go (especially Link's) since they're not fitting for the characters at all.

If I may make a few suggestions, I feel these costumes should be replaced:

Spoiler

and if possible, some of these costumes should be added:

-Shadow Mario for
-Metal Mario for
-Demise for (they ARE the same personm same as SS Zelda and TP Zelda are the same)
-Mega Lucario for
-Mega Mewtwo Y for
-Dark Samus for
-Hyrule Sonic for
-Pikmin Falcon for
-Twilight Sheik for
-Mario Costume Peach for
-Magic Armor Link for
-Zora Tunic Link for
-Metal Sanic KAI for
-Classic Sonic for
-Metal Sonic for
-Ninten for
-Quickdraw Dedede for

You can find most of these in Arko's PM 3.5 custom build, but they're also on KCMM. Here's a Link to Arko's video where you can see all these in action:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unixWmmfBhw


Other worthwhile mentions not on Arko's list:


White Queen for
Black Mage Zelda for
SF64 Wolf for
Saiyan Armor Wolf for
America Falco for

But they're merely suggestions to replace some of the costumes that are a bit... meh. Wii Fit Suit Samus for example could replace OM ZSS as well, etc...

A few final things:

• First, how about changing the Logo in the title from Smash Bros. Legacy M 3.6 (which is really confusing) to just: Super Smash Bros. Project M Legacy (or Legacy Collection), and just putting the version number down at the bottom where it doesn't intrude. 3.6 is the final official version of PM anyway, so it's assumed that any and all custom builds from here on will go off of 3.6. But having PM in the title might help people understand what this actually is.
• Second, I really like the polish and flair you've given the character select screens and such, but I'm not much a fan of the Orange tint you've given everything. I really like the classic purple color that's associated with PM. To avoid being selfish and saying you change it back (since I'm sure some people might like the orange), how about releasing multiple versions? One with the classic background, and one with the orange background?
• Finally, on that topic, since you really wanna have a tourney viable build, but also get many requests for more custom content (some of which I do believe deserves some attention). How about releasing a finalized tourney build, and then non-tourney custom builds with custom characters or which allow people to add their own characters? For example, there are many custom characters out there that deserve recognition and would be nice to have on a build (like Bagan's Ridley, Pyotr's Bomberman, and BGG's Ganondorf), and with BrawlEX+ASI being a thing now, it's certainly possible. Ofc these would never be tourney viable, even if balanced, but many people (like myself) only play with friends, and it's a hassle to add more characters to these custom builds (don't even get me started on the nightmare I've been having merging this with the leaked Dev Build). So, perhaps creating a build with empty character slots or the like for non-tourney play could be an option (?).

 

[davidvkimball]

I'm honestly not very savvy when it comes to this stuff other than putting builds on my sd card so...
But I think it has something to do with there being more costumes than normal because it doesn't freeze unless you use certain costumes, same goes for http://smashboards.com/threads/proj...e-asking-questions-or-making-requests.417563/
That's the only thing I can think of, wish I could be of more help and once again I thank you for all your work on this amazing build and I look forward to future updates!

Great!

Phenomenal project, I think it really has the potential to become the definintive custom build with a few tweaks. It's really polished, and the stage selection is superb.


I partially agree with this.

I really like the Splatoon costume Mario has, and feel he should keep it since it really fits the character considering the Mario Sunshine x Splatoon parallels people have drawn. And considering Falcon has an Excite Biker costume, Mario drawing reference to Splatoon is fine imo.

Likewise, I like the Saltspray Rig stage, and considering we have a B-K stage, a KH stage, and a Castlevania stage, I think having a Splatoon Stage is fitting as well.

That being said, the rest of the Splatoon costumes should go (especially Link's) since they're not fitting for the characters at all.

If I may make a few suggestions, I feel these costumes should be replaced:

Spoiler

and if possible, some of these costumes should be added:

-Shadow Mario for
-Metal Mario for
-Demise for (they ARE the same personm same as SS Zelda and TP Zelda are the same)
-Mega Lucario for
-Mega Mewtwo Y for
-Dark Samus for
-Hyrule Sonic for
-Pikmin Falcon for
-Twilight Sheik for
-Mario Costume Peach for
-Magic Armor Link for
-Zora Tunic Link for
-Metal Sanic KAI for
-Classic Sonic for
-Metal Sonic for
-Ninten for
-Quickdraw Dedede for

You can find most of these in Arko's PM 3.5 custom build, but they're also on KCMM. Here's a Link to Arko's video where you can see all these in action:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unixWmmfBhw


Other worthwhile mentions not on Arko's list:


White Queen for
Black Mage Zelda for
SF64 Wolf for
Saiyan Armor Wolf for
America Falco for

But they're merely suggestions to replace some of the costumes that are a bit... meh. Wii Fit Suit Samus for example could replace OM ZSS as well, etc...

A few final things:

• First, how about changing the Logo in the title from Smash Bros. Legacy M 3.6 (which is really confusing) to just: Super Smash Bros. Project M Legacy (or Legacy Collection), and just putting the version number down at the bottom where it doesn't intrude. 3.6 is the final official version of PM anyway, so it's assumed that any and all custom builds from here on will go off of 3.6. But having PM in the title might help people understand what this actually is.
• Second, I really like the polish and flair you've given the character select screens and such, but I'm not much a fan of the Orange tint you've given everything. I really like the classic purple color that's associated with PM. To avoid being selfish and saying you change it back (since I'm sure some people might like the orange), how about releasing multiple versions? One with the classic background, and one with the orange background?
• Finally, on that topic, since you really wanna have a tourney viable build, but also get many requests for more custom content (some of which I do believe deserves some attention). How about releasing a finalized tourney build, and then non-tourney custom builds with custom characters or which allow people to add their own characters? For example, there are many custom characters out there that deserve recognition and would be nice to have on a build (like Bagan's Ridley, Pyotr's Bomberman, and BGG's Ganondorf), and with BrawlEX+ASI being a thing now, it's certainly possible. Ofc these would never be tourney viable, even if balanced, but many people (like myself) only play with friends, and it's a hassle to add more characters to these custom builds (don't even get me started on the nightmare I've been having merging this with the leaked Dev Build). So, perhaps creating a build with empty character slots or the like for non-tourney play could be an option (?).

Thank you for this incredibly in-depth feedback. I didn't know a person could put this amount of effort in suggestions for my humble project, it seems to mean that you care about it a lot which makes me hyped.

What I'll say about the Splatoon Link and Pikachu costumes: I threw them together so that my Splatoon stage trailer was more hyped! I think I will remove them but they'll still be available on the vault for folks that want to download them. Plus both characters have new costumes I'd like to use.

Character's I'll consider replacing:

Spoiler

This does not mean they will be replaced, it means I'm considering it. The ones I didn't include are pretty much here to stay, unless I change my mind.

The problem with suggesting Mario is that I can't really add more Mario slots unless they're alts for Dr. Mario.

You'd have to show me a Ganon skin I really liked to make me change Ganon costumes.

Lucario's, Mewtwo's, Samus', Sheik's, Peach's, Zelda and Wolf are in the same boat.

However, I will look at a new costume for Sonic, Link, Pikachu, Kirby, DeDeDe and Bowser at least.

This build being named Smash Bros. Legacy M 3.6 is here to stay.

Orange tint? It shouldn't be orange, it should be dark red...

And for your last comment about alternate builds, I will tell you right now the biggest obstacle there is time. If I had time, I would make all sorts of versions, but I don't. So instead I'm eventually going to release a "Dev Kit" that will make templates and things easier to modify Legacy so folks can add their own characters, stages, etc. But that's a long way down the road tbh.

Thanks again for your feedback, stoked to get 1.3 out. Some stuff you all won't even see coming.

 

[zombifiedsquid]

I think it'd be really cool if you added Beast Ganon and also make it to where Charizard and Mewtwo have both of their mega evolutions as costumes. Please leave Alien Kirby in the build.