Ankoku (Marth) vs Scala (Yoshi)

[Zankoku]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueFakslohIw

lol. Ok, seriously, we played 22 games of this matchup which happened to coincide with the matchup discussion, I guess. Here's the full game vids.

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=eradikatus&search_query=100108 yoshi marth

Have fun.

 

[cutter]

Poor Yoshi...

 

[Steel]

lol, 70:30 imo

 

[Mmac]

It's not exactly a fair comparison at all.

No offence to Scala, but he's not exactly professional. The fact that I only watched 2 Videos and saw him SD'ed 3 times and allowed himself to get spiked twice kinda confirms that, along with the multiple DownB's in the air, and even SideB's in the air!

Plus even all of that, it looked like you had troubles against him anyways, and stayed even until he did something that screwed it all up.

Not only that, but some of the Videos are just Doubles!

 

[grandmaster192]

Meh, I'm sure Marth has the advantage, but I prefer switching to MK for Yoshi.

 

[Zankoku]

It's not exactly a fair comparison at all.

What isn't?

No offence to Scala, but he's not exactly professional.

Neither am I.

The fact that I only watched 2 Videos and saw him SD'ed 3 times and allowed himself to get spiked twice kinda confirms that, along with the multiple DownB's in the air, and even SideB's in the air!

I watched a Melee video of Cort 4-stocking PC Chris in 50 seconds on a neutral stage. This confirms that PC Chris can't even compare to Cort!

Plus even all of that, it looked like you had troubles against him anyways, and stayed even until he did something that screwed it all up.

That can really work both ways. Yes, he did nice things on punishing my mistakes at times, but just because he did you can't discount my mistakes as "him staying even" while his mistakes are just "screwing it all up." However, Yoshi punishes mistakes with around 20-40% in damage. Marth punishes mistakes with the possibility of a full stock.

Not only that, but some of the Videos are just Doubles!

...huh? Are you watching the right videos?

 

[ZHMT]

Good stuff Ankoku, and lol at the summary vid. Ill finish watching all the vids later.

 

[Mmac]

Meh, I'm sure Marth has the advantage, but I prefer switching to MK for Yoshi.

Uh, you do know that Yoshi is a legit MetaKnight Counter right?

What isn't?

The video's, and trying to use it as a legit statistic for the Matchup Discussion. Theres plenty of flaws which I will get into later

Neither am I.

I'm sure you aren't

Spoiler

<_<

, but at least you know what you are doing with your character. I can point out flaws in Scala playstyle which holds him back

-He NEVER DJAD'ed once when he was trying to Recover. He always tried to beat out your edgeguarding attempt with an attack (Which is pointless in this matchup because Marth outranges Yoshi). That lead to several unnecessary gimps which could have been easily avoided
- He DownB's in the air as a form of attack. It should be NEVER be used as an attack in the air, only as an escape
- He EGG ROLLS IN THE AIR!!!!! nuff said
- He did several risky running grabs, which most of the time lead him to be heavily punished
- He shield grabs. You can't shield grab with Yoshi, it's just..... pointless
- He blew several kill opportunities
- In general, he just seems out of focus and/or slow most of the time

I watched a Melee video of Cort 4-stocking PC Chris in 50 seconds on a neutral stage. This confirms that PC Chris can't even compare to Cort!

Is this sarcasm to counter my response? Whatever, theres also flaws by grouping your videos in general. I watched all of the Yoshi vs. Marth fights, and I kept note of two things

1. Out of the 22 Matches, Scala Suicided 20 TIMES!!! Infact one match he SD'ed all 3 of his Stocks! He almost registered a Ratio of 1 SD per match! You SD'ed too, but only 4 times, And he SD'ed on the same matches you SD'ed anyways. I brought that up because I know you were going to bring that up too

2. Out of the 22 Matches, only 8 of them were "Full Games" where Scala didn't SD'ed.

That can really work both ways. Yes, he did nice things on punishing my mistakes at times, but just because he did you can't discount my mistakes as "him staying even" while his mistakes are just "screwing it all up." However, Yoshi punishes mistakes with around 20-40% in damage. Marth punishes mistakes with the possibility of a full stock.

It only costs him his live because he doesn't realize that trying to beat out Marth's edgeguard is futile, and doesn't try to Dodge past it. And what I meant by "Screwing it all up" is killing himself.

...huh? Are you watching the right videos?

Actually only one of them was. You posted I think 16 (Lylat Cruise) Twice

 

[grandmaster192]

Mac, you wanna play some wifi friendlies vs my MK?

As far as I'm concerned, MK>Yoshi.

 

[Zankoku]

The video's, and trying to use it as a legit statistic for the Matchup Discussion. Theres plenty of flaws which I will get into later

I must've hit a nerve here. I didn't say anything about this being a statistic for the matchup discussion, I just said that this happened to coincide with the matchup discussion of Marth vs Yoshi. The entire point of all these games was just Scala trying to learn the matchup.

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This will be something for Scala to read, I suppose.

1. Out of the 22 Matches, Scala Suicided 20 TIMES!!! Infact one match he SD'ed all 3 of his Stocks! He almost registered a Ratio of 1 SD per match! You SD'ed too, but only 4 times, And he SD'ed on the same matches you SD'ed anyways. I brought that up because I know you were going to bring that up too

I remember one game where he SD'd with a Down+B and after KOing me, he was like "this is what I meant to do!" and accidentally did a Side+B instead of reverse Up+B, SDing again. It was pretty funny. I don't remember any case of SDing for all three stocks, though.

2. Out of the 22 Matches, only 8 of them were "Full Games" where Scala didn't SD'ed.

If you're counting moments when he was over 120% and I sent him offstage and he didn't realize he no longer had a second jump as an SD, then yeah, I suppose. Otherwise I don't think Scala SD'd that much.

Actually only one of them was. You posted I think 16 (Lylat Cruise) Twice

None of my vids even have identical time length. I think you clicked on a video twice.

EDIT:

Mac, you wanna play some wifi friendlies vs my MK?

As far as I'm concerned, MK>Yoshi.

Actually, I half agree with Mmac here. Yoshi has some mean **** to bring the matchup to nearly even against Meta Knight. He doesn't have that same mean **** against Marth.

 

[Mmac]

I must've hit a nerve here. I didn't say anything about this being a statistic for the matchup discussion, I just said that this happened to coincide with the matchup discussion of Marth vs Yoshi. The entire point of all these games was just Scala trying to learn the matchup.

Yeah, but your Summary Video is kinda supporting my theory, and Steel2nd is probably pushing that theory also.

This will be something for Scala to read, I suppose.

Probably. I hate trying to bash peoples playstyles, but Scala still has quite a bit of work with his Yoshi. He can be leagues better if he just simply control his Yoshi and Recover Better.

I remember one game where he SD'd with a Down+B and after KOing me, he was like "this is what I meant to do!" and accidentally did a Side+B instead of reverse Up+B, SDing again. It was pretty funny. I don't remember any case of SDing for all three stocks, though.


If you're counting moments when he was over 120% and I sent him offstage and he didn't realize he no longer had a second jump as an SD, then yeah, I suppose. Otherwise I don't think Scala SD'd that much.

Yeah, I did count the times he forgot he didn't have his Double Jump. The time he SD'ed 3 times was one of the matches on Halberd I think

None of my vids even have identical time length. I think you clicked on a video twice.

On the Search you provided, Lylat Cruise 16 is listed twice in 2 completely separate buttons

Mac, you wanna play some wifi friendlies vs my MK?

As far as I'm concerned, MK>Yoshi.

Not right now, maybe alittle later. I'm not feeling that well at the moment.

 

[Zankoku]

Yeah, but your Summary Video is kinda supporting my theory, and Steel2nd is probably pushing that theory also.

Steel2nd isn't me, so I'll drop the misunderstanding right here and now.

Probably. I hate trying to bash peoples playstyles, but Scala still has quite a bit of work with his Yoshi. He can be leagues better if he just simply control his Yoshi and Recover Better.

Criticism never works if you only point out the good.

Yeah, I did count the times he forgot he didn't have his Double Jump. The time he SD'ed 3 times was one of the matches on Halberd I think

He didn't SD 3 times. The first time was stupidity (ledgedrop eggroll), the second one was me fairing him before he landed from his ledgehop and him not making it back (lack of double jump), the third one was a gimp due to poor decision (I hit him out of his double jump aerial).

On the Search you provided, Lylat Cruise 16 is listed twice in 2 completely separate buttons

That's odd. Especially since when I try to search for that video specifically it only lists it once.

 

[Mmac]

He didn't SD 3 times. The first time was stupidity (ledgedrop eggroll), the second one was me fairing him before he landed from his ledgehop and him not making it back (lack of double jump), the third one was a gimp due to poor decision (I hit him out of his double jump aerial).

I think if it is the one you are talking about, he could have made it back both time by just UpB'ing when he was hit.

Now I can't remember, **** Anti-MetaKnight scrubs are upsetting me now >_<

 

[Deleted member]

Lol. Silly. Scala isnt bad, but i agree with what mmac said. Needs Moar DJAD. Also, yoshi doesnt counter MK, but yoshi probably is in the top 5 of people who are most effective against MK.

Edit: Summery was too funny =D

 

[IDK]

It's not exactly a fair comparison at all.

No offence to Scala, but he's not exactly professional. The fact that I only watched 2 Videos and saw him SD'ed 3 times and allowed himself to get spiked twice kinda confirms that, along with the multiple DownB's in the air, and even SideB's in the air!

Plus even all of that, it looked like you had troubles against him anyways, and stayed even until he did something that screwed it all up.

Not only that, but some of the Videos are just Doubles!

i lol'd

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