Ankoku is still pretty bad at Marth (but has vids)

Zankoku · Jun 16, 2008

feardragon64 · Jun 16, 2008

Ok, here's a few things to improve on based on the first video(I'll watch the rest after and fix anything I need to):

First off, I like the fact that you're patient. That's good, but you can't simply stand there as your opponent comes to attack. The biggest problem is making sure you have appropriate spacing. You get way too close and underestimate Marth's range. I know it was debuffed from melee, but it's a bit bigger than you give it credit for =]. So give yourself a bit more space, and when you're being approached, position yourself to intercept them with your long reach!
Another thing, you get edge guarded a lot and end up dying, even though the edge guard wasn't exactly "perfectly timed". Use the first hit of dancing blade as a stall. It stops momentum, and even slows down your fall(and gives you a vertical boost when used directly after your first jump). When you use it, people will often have a difficult time deciding when exactly to edgehog for the invincibility frames. Make sure you use that.
The next thing is, use dancing blades more. You approach with a lot of fairs. Fairs are nice. Fairs are awesome. Dancing blade is awesomer. It's amazing for racking up damage, which I think is one of the main concerns you have in your marth matches.
Another thing to do is a RAR(reverse aerial rush) so you can hit with your bair. While you don't want to abuse this since it lowers knockback of a great killing move, it's something to use every so often to vary it up. Fair's aren't what they used to be, so try not to spam them too much.
Ftilt is your friend against turnips by the way. Ftilt>Jab in my opinion. And often times, a properly timed, tippered ftilt will send someone rushing at you a nice distance back. =] It's amazingly effective.
Finally, you shield a bit too much. Shielding leaves you vulnerable, not just to grabs, but to allowing people to get too close. While you don't get punished TOO often for shielding immediately, you get punished later for the positioning.

And a few quick notes
-Dsmash is a great move now. Don't be afraid to use it =]
-While not the most important thing to worry about for now, if their shield is low, try and get in a shield breaker. It IS a free kill.
-Gimping off stage with tippered bairs is usually more effective than fairs
-Utilt is great for hitting people directly above you. I know there wasn't MUCH opportunity to use this in the peach fight, but you never used it so just something to keep in mind =]
-Uair is also nice. You could have used it a few times and gotten her, but decided to just drop to the floor and disengage. Juggle! =D
-Not a single counter =[ Counter is actually great for get-up animations and the blatantly incoming dash attacks. While you shouldn't abuse it, try and incorporate it =]

Best of luck! Hope that helps and was actually intelligent xD

Edit: Second peach fight was much better. Try and still use dancing blades a bit more, as well as dsmash, ftilt, utilt, and uair. Also, fast fall your nair so it hits a bit more often! Also, try not to fsmash at low %'s too often. =\

But I the second video was much better. You got a nice super tipped shield breaker in, you use counter once but I think you could have used it a few more times effectively. You also space much more effectively, which is good =]. Look forward to seeing more!

Emblem Lord · Jun 16, 2008

Your Marth should be illegal, it's so ****ing offensive to the eyes.

<3 Ankoku.

Zankoku · Jun 16, 2008

You're just jealous because I can suck way more than you and still beat people around here because MI < NJ. <3

Ulevo · Jun 16, 2008

Hm, you can definitely improve your Marth. The main thing I find surprising considering you're a Sheik main is you're overly passive while playing. Although that could be Wifi lag for all I know.

RedPeppers · Jun 16, 2008

How bad was the lag?

Zankoku · Jun 16, 2008

I dunno, 15 frames or so?

Zankoku · Jun 23, 2008

I have two more vids. Feel free to watch because my Marth is silly, and stuff. At least, Emblem Lord tells me he refuses to watch my Marth. >_>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XtC__LugT0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gggC0PpKFMQ

Jube Jube · Jun 24, 2008

Lol Ankoku, you remind me of the same play style a friend of mine uses with Marth, except you're more aerial than her, or at least I think so. Both of you are good at using Marth's smashes though and I can see the potential in you. You should brawl with me sometime though. I personally don't main Marth but it's always fun battling Marths with my Toon Link. =p

PM me if you wouldn't mind brawling with me sometime. You're around my skill level I think so it won't be too hard for either of us, haha.

Warlock*G · Jun 24, 2008

I guess I'll still be adding these to the Archive.

Zankoku · Jul 27, 2008

Okay, I added vids of my Marth from a tournament earlier today. Have fun tearing me apart.

Newuser12345215 · Jul 27, 2008

I noticed you trip a lot(well, actually I only watched 2 videos, that's the first video and this one you posted).

On your first video you posted, 1:25, tripped. This one may have led you vulnerable to that attack.

On the other video, at around 52 seconds(were you player 1?) you tripped, then tripped again at 1:30.

Nice matches, though I think the game is out for you, considered you sure tripped a lot(though again, only watched 2 videos).

Shaya · Jul 27, 2008

I find myself more captivated with your avatar, which keep me distracted from properly focussing on your Marth matches ;_;.

Which ones are offline matches if any?
I tend to, uhh dislike 'greatly' any online matches with Marth.

Zankoku · Jul 27, 2008

All the ones below my disclaimer are Wifi. The ones up top are from tournament play.

Shaya · Jul 27, 2008

Ankoku said:
All the ones below my disclaimer are Wifi. The ones up top are from tournament play.

See? Too distracted by your avatar to notice the obvious. :psycho:

Okay a few matches watched now and I get the idea.

As I am aware that you are a Sheik main, I'd perhaps start off by saying that is maybe your biggest weakness while using Marth. While your Sheik seems excellent, the lack of maining Marth is inherently obvious; knowing what's available without refinement and lots of experience.

Of course, as I'm sure you see yourself, you over-abuse fsmash. A move with a nice static hitbox; fully understanding the hitbox is the essential requirement in understanding the 'spacing' a Marth player requires. I'm sure you'd love to tip more, right?

A bit too much running? Not enough walking?

I tried to make this reasonable short, you didn't direct say it, so I don't even know if you wanted critising of your Marth. Your matches were reasonbly entertaining though. Plus it gives me the opportunity to perhaps see a new avatar/sig when you make a new topic/post.

Anyway, <3 Shaya the Stranger.

sakuraZaKi · Jul 27, 2008

Yes, we are all bad.

You just have the proof.

****, Marisa is everywhere for you o.o

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