Q&A Ambitions as a Plumber; A Mario FAQ

[M@1funk$hun]

good to know bro
anyway this is a FAQ so lets get some questions going

Useful ways to utilize SHBAWD

 

[condemned_soul]

a good spacing option
gimps too

 

[M@1funk$hun]

sometime I like to make people think I just space with bair (which i don't. I feel like I should keep it fresh for combos/gimps) and then as a mix up do a SHBAWD into uptilt. usually gets em

 

[condemned_soul]

is the bair the only move you can SHWD

 

[A2ZOMG]

^Correct.

U-air however can be SH -> double jump -> WDed, but it's not that good.

On BF and YI, you can fullhop B-air/U-air -> waveland on platforms. It's REALLY REALLY STUPIDLY HARD to fullhop U-air platform waveland on BF though.

 

[condemned_soul]

well i think i have more stuff to practice on

are there any low key moves i should learn as mario for mindgames. im picking up tech chasing as well

 

[j3ly]

if u are not attacking, try to be about the distance of 2 peaches (longways) from the opponent at all times. from this position they cant do jack and you can punish everything. you are being defensive, offensive, campy and baiting them at the same time. so much ****, its gnna be the new metagame when everybody gets really good at it

learn to shield space (cancel initial dash with shield for precision). cuts off alot of chars options, especially falco

 

[condemned_soul]

hey can you show an example of that? my brain isnt picturing it

 

[StealthyGunnar]

it's like 1 ganon laying down, maybe a little farther? stay that distance away lol

 

[j3ly]

watch ROM3: Drpeepee vs m2k set 2 the one with the youtube thumbnail as DL
i'm sure people know about it but it's not been developed too much, there is ways to go with it. it's just spacing but i doubt it's what most are thinking about when they say space.

 

[M@1funk$hun]

I think that's what people called zone spacing or gap spacing. the main reason Mango is so good is because he uses it. people say he's in their face all the time but it's just like Hbox with his random bairs, he's not actually hitting but instead giving the IMPRESSION of being pressured. this makes people **** up and then you punish.

 

[j3ly]

yeh i totally agree.
retroking mentioned gap spacing once and i made a thread on melee discussion asking what the term meant, nobody who posted knew though.

 

[M@1funk$hun]

honestly it's really difficult to work into your game if you don't know all of your options
that's where I'm at in my smash growth
just trying to figure out wtf to do

 

[condemned_soul]

i wish someone would make a video of this. it would be all good for my playing style

 

[M@1funk$hun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfBuAo_Bfvw
semi helpful for what we're talking about

 

[condemned_soul]

oh that....i have been trying to do that but some people are a little hard to follow. this is the reason i want to make fireball resets legit.

 

[j3ly]

they already are

i know 2 setups:

weak bair -> pivot standing fireball (opp @ 60% +)

nair/uair -> FH fireball waveland reset -> charged fsmash (opp @ 60%+)

 

[condemned_soul]

ahhhhh J3ly made my day by just say 2 setups. what about floaties?

 

[j3ly]

just general flukes, opponent misses a tech they should never miss (due to being floaty) and you happen to follow up with a FH fireball that resets for an usmash. unreliable and rare

(imo)

 

[M@1funk$hun]

yeah I usually only get a reset (jab or fireball) if they CC something and don't expect to fall over from it/miss the tech

doesn't happen alot but hey, take what you can get

also, when recovering, I've seen some Mario's do a reverse fireball/cape and bair TOWARDS the stage. does this give you extra distance? or is it just a defensive maneuver?

 

[j3ly]

nah no extra distance but it allows you to use ur more ranged move, sacrificing a tiny bit of horizontal movement.

If you can DI you have alot of choices - 2 fireballs, 3 fireballs, 1 fireball -> reverse cape -> bair -> upB plus mixups with down B, saving cape and other shiz.

I've mained marth falco and shiek in the last 6 months. mario still has the best recovery I've ever dealt with. With top corner Di he is almost untouchable - as i've said before, it becomes more stage guarding than edgeguarding for the opponent.

 

[M@1funk$hun]

well falco and sheik have some pretty terrible recoveries...
Marth is weird...

also I tried fireballing to the stage and then when I'm slightly below it (like if you were to double jump the to the ledge, you're head would come slightly above it) , doing a tornado , then a cape.

the tornado stops any misspaced attacks and the cape brings you to the edge/stage and reverses the opponent if they were waiting for a bair.

if the opponent was on the edge they'll have a hard time timing the invincibility

 

[StealthyGunnar]

u can ledgehop fireball and grab the ledge again, right?

 

[M@1funk$hun]

u can ledgehop fireball and grab the ledge again, right?

yessssssssssssss

 

[StealthyGunnar]

k thought so, ty

 

[condemned_soul]

is it ever a good time to fair jiggs?

 

[StealthyGunnar]

at 0% yep, u can grab if u l cancel the fair, which u should

 

[M@1funk$hun]

at 0% yep, u can grab if u l cancel the fair, which u should

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY

 

[StealthyGunnar]

LOL u can hit the fair... come on

and what if ur ultra badass and wanna end the game w/ an offstage fair? see that 1 counts. >.> plus even if ur not suppose to do it, that's when u should, just to show every1 how badass u r

LOL

 

[M@1funk$hun]

against puff? dear lord the new girlfriend has made you crazy

the whole point of getting a fair off on puff is the actual part of starting a fair

I've had puffs REACT to my fair

that doesn't even count for when they are trying to "approach" with nair/bair

you could probably get a fair-> jab -> grab combo off, but usually on a puff your fair will be spaced with the tip (hopefully) and from there you can't really get a grab off

if the fair IS NOT spaced by the tip, then you're probably about to get rested

also according to j3ly, doc vs puff >>>> mario vs puff

which is the main reason I haven't brought it up in the matchup thread

 

[StealthyGunnar]

nah shes crazy. but u should use it BECAUSE u shouldnt. LOL

jiggz is gay. that's not a secret. every1 knows <--big bang theory reference hehe

 

[M@1funk$hun]

nah shes crazy. but u should use it BECAUSE u shouldnt. LOL

lets smoke cigarettes too even though our parents told us not too

like yeah I see how you mean it as a mix up, but we don't even have a base line strategy for some of the matchups so we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves

 

[StealthyGunnar]

how bout bair a lot? i think that works... im not being sarcastic, ive never played a good jiggs lol

 

[condemned_soul]

just dont let her catch you after your 2nd jump or game over

 

[Blanky]

Doc is far better in this matchup generally speaking. At my last tourny however, I switched off between doc and plumber vs a jiggs I was playing friendliest with, and actually did a lot better with Mario than with doc. F-air to jab can work, but I definitely wouldn't try it in a serious match. Tech chase to fair to nair is great though, but won't work at high %

 

[M@1funk$hun]

yeah I think the same thing about the tech chasing

because if you think about it, you're taking away jigg's aerial movement which is her strong point

granted her tech rolls are pretty fast, but if you're good at it, they shouldn't be a problem

 

[condemned_soul]

after like 70% doesnt Doc's Fair kill jiggs?

 

[StealthyGunnar]

doc kobe mega death punch of awesomeness kills everything.

 

[M@1funk$hun]

after like 70% doesnt Doc's Fair kill jiggs?

yes

10chrisbreezy's

 

[condemned_soul]

10chrisbreezy's

ah someone actually listened to me...

so proud..... M@1 for Mod