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Am i the only one who didnt like Pokemon Trainer??? read b4 post

CronoMaster

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The first Smash had Pikachu, it was ok, he was the main face of Pokemon at the time, plus the guy is charismatic. jigglypuff was unlockable... i never really knew why they included him, as for today i still dont know, why another pokemon, and why him? oh well, it didnt really matter

Melee came out, pikachu was obviously in there, and jigglypuff returned, ok, they brought back everyone from the first game, so ok. mewtwo was unlockable, alright, his presence in smash is far more understandable than jigglypuff's, so alright, 3 pokemon, so they better stop there before this starts looking like a pokemon game. no, they didnt stop, they put pichu in the game... what the hell was that thing doing there?? lot of characters who deserve to be in smash, yet they put another freakin pokemon

Brawl is on the way, pikachu, as always, confirmed since the first moment, great, by now it would be a mortal sin not to include him. jiggypuff, not yet confirmed, but will be there most likely, and by now i even like the little ball of sh*t, cause a friend of mine uses it and he just kicks a**, he wins tournaments and stuff, and he is my only real challenge, so i hope the pink round thing makes it back. no signs of mewtwo and pichu yet. do i want them back? not really, maybe mewtwo, cause he was an actual character and not a clone, but pichu, i really hope is not in brawl.

I open the dojo website today and see Warning Challenger Aproaching, cool! then i scroll down: Pokemon Trainer............. what the hell?? pokemon trainer??? then i see the pic, i actually liked it, but still, pokemon trainer?? the first thing that crossed my mind was "what the hell is he gonna do? what did they put him, with so many characters who deserve a place in smash they put him??" but well, i could deal with it, then i start reading and oh holy mother of god, he doesnt fight, he uses not 1, nor 2, BUT 3 FREAKIN POKEMONS!!!!!!!! what the hell were they thinkin????

Now, yes, is innovative and whatever, but cmon, why put a character like that when someone else could be using that valuable space in the roster?? now, can u imagine if mewtwo and pichu make it back? and if some other pokemon is included as well?? seriously, this is not Pokemon, this is Smash Bros!! i like pokeballs a lot, those were a great idea since the first smash, and thats were pokemon should be, in pokeballs, as items

Im guessing Nintendo just wants to sell more copies, cause every kid who likes pokemon will want the game. oh, and no, i dont hate pokemon, i dont like it either thats for sure, but has i said, pikachu and jiggly are ok, even mewtwo, but thats about it!! a lot of people talk about lucario, so ok, 4 pokemon wouldve been ok, but noooo

I guess the only thing that ease me is to think that there will be soooo many characters that really deserve to be in brawl, that i wont feel like this guy is stealing a very valuable space

............ "Pokemon Trainer" the guy doesnt even has a name for gods sake!!!!
 

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If Pichu comes back I think a little bit of me would die. Jigglypuff has a great chance of returning since it's been in two games. Mewtwo with a better moveset. Even one of the most popular pokemon of the 4th generation Lucario could be included.
 

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Puff & Mewtwo are most likely to return and you'll be sad to hear that at least one more new pokemon will be included most likely Lucario or Blazakin so yea, more pokemon are probably gonna be included besides the old ones
 

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Pokemon trainer will be sweet, but I dont want half da roster 2 B pokemon, pikachu-yes,jigglypuff-yes, mewtwo-maybe, pichu-no
 

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No, this Character is awesome, you get to play with 3 awesome pokemons and it only ocupies 1 slot, and there's no denying that the first 3 starters where awesome.

Now, this lowers Lucario chances, why? 'cause we would have lots of pokemons.

This raises Mewtwos chances, why? 'cause he was in melee, Sak whant's more villains(you wouldn't add Giovanny right?), and right now, all the pokemons in Brawl are from the first Generation.

So...

AWESOME.

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that at least one more new pokemon will be included
That's the thing... we already go one... well 3.
 

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Oh noes 0_0

Could this have lowerd Mewtwos chances? How many more Pokemon could they add in and saturate the roster? Dangit now this got me all paranoid, I like his character though...
 

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Do you have to put down everything?

It looks like we're going to get online, but no, that doesn't make you happy enough.

At first I didn't think PT was valuable enough to have his own spot. The way it was implemented says otherwise, though. We get to play as THREE very unique Pokemon, as he said "for the price of one." so it only takes up one spot.

If you don't like PT, I'm sure there'll be plenty of characters for you to enjoy. I just think that in the way PT was implemented, he is not wasting a spot... at all.
 

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Im tired of hearing people ***** and complain about Pokemon characters in Brawl. yes I know your entitled to your opinion but so am I. Mario is the top selling Nintendo franchise, the SECOND top seller is Pokemon...honestly if you go to random people who dont play videogames and you take out a picture of Mario, theyll know who he basically is. take out a pic of Pikachu or ask them if the word Pokemon sounds familiar...and chances are they will say that they recognise it.

If you start talking to them about Star Fox, Kirby, Zelda, Donkey Kong, F-Zero, EarthBound, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing...I guarantee you that they for the most part wont know what your talking about...tell me who is more deserving in all the senses of the word...a Pokemon/Pokemon character or some guy like Little Mac who had 1 game!!(technically, I think the SNES version was a remake and they changed it all a bit, im not sure...I also support Little Mac so dont get me wrong)
 

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seriously, you, along with many others are biased among so many levels, its not even funny. pokemon trainer is a unique and incredible concept that was long overdue. the problem with you people is that, and I'm positive, if it was ANY other character who worked exactly the same as this, you would have no problem with it. why? because OBVIOUSLY since it's POKE-FREAKIN-MON it must OBVIOUSLY SUCK since pokemon is WAAAAAY overepresented, despite it being the 2nd best-selling game franchise of all time.

and guess what? YOU ACT AS IF 5 FUKKING PEOPLE are working on this game!!!!!!!! guess what? brawl has a HUUUUGE development team, filled with proffesionalls who know thier stuff. and they've been working on it for a much longer time then melee. they've had perhaps more than 3 years to add all the basic stuff such as characters and stages. thats even LONGER than the ENTIRE developmet process of melee.

and finally, quality>>>>>quantity. sorry if every character isn't the same danm sword user, or space furry, but this type of character could only be done with the pokemon franchise, and if you think it's overrepped, DEAL WITH IT. believe it or not, not every pokefan is a 10-year-old kid, like you seem to think.
 

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yeah, thats what im talkin about, lots of pokemon!
It's only taking one Char slot, so i don't care.

If Ivysaur, Squirtle and Charyzard where separate characters i would agree with you.
 

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if it was ANY other character who worked exactly the same as this, you would have no problem with it. why? because OBVIOUSLY since it's POKE-FREAKIN-MON it must OBVIOUSLY SUCK
mmm no, i forgot to mention in the original post that Lucario wouldve been ok, or deoxys before he was deconfirmed. honestly i dont even know them, but they look good enough, people seem to like them and a new pokemon was most likely gonna be included, so they wouldve been alright
so, no, thats not the case, as i said, i dont hate pokemon

and guess what? YOU ACT AS IF 5 FUKKING PEOPLE are working on this game!!!!!!!! guess what? brawl has a HUUUUGE development team, filled with proffesionalls who know thier stuff. and they've been working on it for a much longer time then melee. they've had perhaps more than 3 years to add all the basic stuff such as characters and stages. thats even LONGER than the ENTIRE developmet process of melee.
i know, they are proffesionals, and i know they game itself will be good. and just for the record, havin a lot of people work on somethin for a long time doesnt means that the result will be good

*sigh*
sorry if every character isn't the same danm sword user, or space furry
actually i dont like any sword user, my characters for ssb64 were mario and ness and for melee, sheik, luigi and g&w XD
 

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Okay, for the record, I usually prefer to avoid things once its "flame on." Can't we just respect each other's opinions and debate our ideas without entering a word war.

I'm a bit neutral when it comes to pokemon, and I haven't bought a single pokemon game since Gold/Silver. Still, having even half a dozen pokemon characters wouldn't really make a difference for me. Half the characters could be pokemon for all I cared (even though in all actuallity that'd be a bit much) as long as they were GOOD characters. I don't care what game the character's from as long as they seem fun to play. And PT, if anything, seems like he'd be unique and fun to play as.
 

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He's deserving enough, much better than Blaziken/Gardevoir/Gengar/Dragonite/Deoxys bull****. He only takes up one slot, there will probably still be lots of good characters. Oh well, if there's 5 pokemon characters, deal with it...I wouldn't blame them, Pokemon is extremely popular...
 

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Okay, for the record, I usually prefer to avoid things once its "flame on." Can't we just respect each other's opinions and debate our ideas without entering a word war.
Yes, thats the point, getting different points of view, and discuss, sorry if i sound rude or anything XD
 

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I don't understand your reasoning. You say it's not because it's Pokemon, but you go on and on about how it's "another freakin' pokemon" and how Pokemon is, in your opinion, overrepresented.

Pokemon is the 2nd most popular Nintendo franchise and it has hundreds of characters. There's many, many unique playstyles that can be taken from the Pokemon universe. Because of these reason, it DESERVES 5 or 6 slots, in my opinion.

I still don't see it. Do you not like it because the characters don't LOOK like fighters? They come from a video game where all they do is fight. Do you not like them because Deoxys and Lucario are highly requested? I urge you too look at threads devoted to Red, Charizard, and Squirtle in this section or the poll of Japanese people taken around the time of Melee. All three were wanted (with Ivysaur thrown in).

The only possible explanation I can think is that you just don't think these character look "cool". That's fine. Don't play as them. Saying he's not deserving of a spot because you don't like him is pretty selfish though. How many characters are really more deserving than the main character from the 2nd most popular franchise?
 

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I don't understand your reasoning. You say it's not because it's Pokemon, but you go on and on about how it's "another freakin' pokemon" and how Pokemon is, in your opinion, overrepresented.
Yes!! there are a lot, thats why i say that

Pokemon is the 2nd most popular Nintendo franchise and it has hundreds of characters. There's many, many unique playstyles that can be taken from the Pokemon universe. Because of these reason, it DESERVES 5 or 6 slots, in my opinion.
Thats my point, it doesnt matter how popular it is, this is not a pokemon game, is a nintendo game, i dont think one franchise should have that much characters, and that goes for mario as well, i mean, i really hope not to see toad and waluigi in there, again, not because i dont like them, but just as i say that this is not pokemon game, it isnt a mario party either

I still don't see it. Do you not like it because the characters don't LOOK like fighters?
No, i dont care about that, i mean, i use g&w, what is him?? a shadow?? XD

The only possible explanation I can think is that you just don't think these character look "cool". That's fine. Don't play as them. Saying he's not deserving of a spot because you don't like him is pretty selfish though. How many characters are really more deserving than the main character from the 2nd most popular franchise?
As i said, when i first saw the pic, i tought it was cool, and still think that, so its not that is not cool. And about the last part, thats exactly what i mean, pokemon DO deserve a spot, but, again, a couple of em would be enough, all the others can make it like pokeballs, and make room for soooo many other characters nintendo has as playable characters
 

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Ok, I understand your reasoning now (you dont want alot of characters from one series) but you have to understand, that when you have a game where all of the series are fused together like this, you have to have some way for your main 2 (actually 3, Zelda could be included in this too) to stand out. You'd have to be nuts to think that Mario is only going to get one character, & Pokemon is right behind him. It would be almost a betrayal to the fans to only put in 1 or 2 Pokemon characters (and betryaed fans is a big no no). If you still feel bitter, think of it this way, Pokemon will most logically be only 5 out of 30+ characters. Thats not even a fourth of the characters, there are still PLENTY of spots left.
 
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first off, if u like Pokemon, u should know that there are 4 generations. in Melee, Pikachu was an obvious choice because it was the most recognizable (good u knew that), Jigglypuff was put in there because it was based off the anime (it was the Pokemon with the most episodes dedicated to itself only), Mewtwo was a Pokemon IMO representing the legendary Pokemon (the rest were Pokeballed), Pichu was a clone (and not a very good one).
now, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, and Mewtwo represented the first generation of Pokemon. Pichu represented the second generation. why Pichu? because Sakurai wanted to try out clones at the time.
moving on:
Brawl is a fighting game yes? but it is also a commercial game. thats why the most popular games stuck out. Mario is basically the Nintendo mascot so he IMO will get at least 5 not counting Yoshi and Wario. Legend of Zelda will, IMO also, get at least 5 (6 since Sheik will supposedly be coming back). Pokemon, there are over 400 different species, and they are limited to at least 5 spots. PT was an excellent way of saving spots, i even had an idea for PT to rep more generations! Pikachu, Jigglypuff, and (possibly) Mewtwo will be reps for the 1st gen in Brawl, along with the PT (if my idea will not work). now how about the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rep? Lucario is a choice for the 4th, but wut about the rest? sure saying they can be Pokeballed is one thing, and i certainly dont want Pichu back in, but seriously? Brawl has been in development so long, the chance for repping the 3rd gen was gone. wut makes the 1st and latest gen more important than the other 2? (i swear, if anybody says a "just cuz it iz!" comment, that makes u pathetic.) i believe the 2nd gen was just as popular as the first. so as far as im concerned, there will be more spots for Pokemon (6 at the most) for Pokemon, whether u like it or not.
oh and as for my idea for PT repping the gens:
http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=2730414&postcount=2652
 

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What I don't understand about all you people here is that you guys even WANT both Jiggly and Mewtwo to return and even want a NEW Pokémon with that? O_O; Now THAT's really pushing it! Think about it, then we'd have: Pikachu, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo AND Lucario/Whatevermonio... I personally am against that aswell. I've got nothing against the Pokémon Trainer, infact I really love the idea. Always 'secretly' wanted to play as Squirtle and Charizard... But so many Pokémon??

What would be ideal for me is that they'd either cut Jigglypuff or Mewtwo, and I prefer Mewtwo above Jigglypuff or cut both and bring in Lucario or another Pokémon similair to Mewtwo atleast... That way, we'd have: Pikachu - the mascot, Mewtwo/Lucario - a legendary fightmachine/ a wild warrior, Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard - the starter Pokémon representing the franchise the best. 5 characters - perphaps even more than Super Mario will get seeing that Dr.Mario deffinatly WON'T return - seems completely fine with me, but 7... That's seriously waaay too much.
 

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I'm sure that whatever they decided for the final however many characters, we might have our gripes that this guy or that guy didn't make it in, ans this guy or that guy did,but in the end we'll all learn to accept and enjoy the character lineup, like we did in SSBM. Or at least you should have by now. :p

If they're really commited to putting 6 pokemon in the game, then I'm sure it'll turn out fine in the end.

Peace.
 

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I hope they don't include anymore Pokemon(ok maybe 1, but he actually has to be cool). The roster in Brawl is precious space. Not to mention the time it takes to make a character. Especially one as unique "Pokemon Trainer". Thats the reason he's almost ok for me; because he's such a original and unique character. With that said when I saw him(Pokemon Trainer) I had the same feeling I did when I saw Ice Climbers for the first time. Look how gay they turned out to be. So I'm going to trust my feelings, this trainer is going to be able to SUPER WOBBLE. :( lol.

Basically: If they going to put a whole bunch load of Pokemon in this game they better have a lot of other character so that it doesn't seem like a Pokemon game.
 

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Whether or not you like Pokemon is irrelevent. This is a really cool idea for a character. Plus, I'm just glad they went with some Water and Grass types so we can vary the types of attacks we see in Smash. A lot of it in the past has been the same old stuff. This will be entirely new. And you can't really complain about that.
 

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I think it's great he's in. But hopefully Lucario will still be in Brawl. Jigglypuff was kinda fun, because he could Rollout off the edge. :p I don't care about Mewtwo really.
 

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Math Ftw.

Look at it through this standpoint.

Smash bros 64 number of characters: 12

Smash bros 64 number of pokemon: 2

Smash bros 64 percentage of characters that are pokemon: around 17%
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Smash Bros Melee number of characters: 25(excluding Shiek)

Smash Bros Melee number of Pokemon: 4

Smash Bros Melee percentage of characters that are pokemon: 16%
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Now if that doesn't get you thinking just a little bit on how many pokemon will be in brawl then I'll just do the thinking for you guys. Lets say that in brawl there will be 40 characters, it's the most acceptable number now in days. Now lets add a similar percentage to the equation:

ESTIMATED

Smash Bros Brawl number of characters: 40

Smash Bros Brawl percentage of characters that are pokemon: 16%

Smash Bros Brawl number of Pokemon: 6
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6? Lets hope I'm wrong.

Pikachu
Jiggs
Mewtwo
Trainer(not going to add him as 3 seperate pokemon because his whole stamina thing)

If the percentages continue the way they have been they'll be 2 more Pokemon added to the mix...... One more would be already too much in my opinion, I share the topic holders logic on the situation. This isn't Mario Smash Bros and it isn't Super Pokemon Buddies.

Either way look at it from the standpoint that even if they did have 6 Pokemon in Brawl, it'd only be 16% of the characters available. Meh.:ohwell::ohwell::ohwell::ohwell:
 

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Smash Bros Melee number of characters: 25(including Shiek)
There are 26 including Sheik. >_>

And if you're including Sheik, you may as well count Ivysaur, Charizard, and Squirtle as separate; so you have your 6 Pokemon already...
 
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Math Ftw.

Look at it through this standpoint.

Smash bros 64 number of characters: 12

Smash bros 64 number of pokemon: 2

Smash bros 64 percentage of characters that are pokemon: around 17%
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Smash Bros Melee number of characters: 25(including Shiek)

Smash Bros Melee number of Pokemon: 4

Smash Bros Melee percentage of characters that are pokemon: 16%
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Now if that doesn't get you thinking just a little bit on how many pokemon will be in brawl then I'll just do the thinking for you guys. Lets say that in brawl there will be 40 characters, it's the most acceptable number now in days. Now lets add a similar percentage to the equation:

ESTIMATED

Smash Bros Brawl number of characters: 40

Smash Bros Brawl percentage of characters that are pokemon: 16%

Smash Bros Brawl number of Pokemon: 6
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6? Lets hope I'm wrong.

Pikachu
Jiggs
Mewtwo
Trainer(not going to add him as 3 seperate pokemon because his whole stamina thing)

If the percentages continue the way they have been they'll be 2 more Pokemon added to the mix...... One more would be already too much in my opinion, I share the topic holders logic on the situation. This isn't Mario Smash Bros and it isn't Super Pokemon Buddies.

Either way look at it from the standpoint that even if they did have 6 Pokemon in Brawl, it'd only be 16% of the characters available. Meh.:ohwell::ohwell::ohwell::ohwell:
wow he actually did the math. i like the way u see it. i was too lazy to do it myself, i just stated my opinion. i probably would have tho if i needed to:chuckle:
although 40 would blow my mind up and i die in happiness, i think the spots will be up to 30-35 at the most. (but hopefully it will be 40 :))
 

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although 40 would blow my mind up and i die in happiness, i think the spots will be up to 30-35 at the most. (but hopefully it will be 40 :))
30-35 at most? So you think they're going to add at most 9 characters? Try to work out 30-35 characters for me. You won't get everyone who deserves to be in. There will be more than 40.
 

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Mewtwo has to return He was the second best character in the game i guess.. Because on event 51 u fight giga bowser/ganondorf/mewtwo all extremally powerful....And i like the idea of pokemon trainer He's 3 pokemon in one character slot... He takes up less memory then haveing 3 seperate characters....
 

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30-35 at most? So you think they're going to add at most 9 characters? Try to work out 30-35 characters for me. You won't get everyone who deserves to be in. There will be more than 40.
i herd 45-60... I think 45-50 is good but... THe more the marrier...
 

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I'm hoping they just fill the game up with as many creative characters as they can. Adding a character like this, a SPECTATOR who gives commands to three unworthy Pokemon, is not a creative character.
 

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...jigglypuff was unlockable... i never really knew why they included him, as for today i still dont know, why another pokemon, and why him? oh well, it didnt really matter
Jiggly was popular in Japan. And the franchise needed a bit more origionality

...with so many characters who deserve a place in smash they put him??"
Pfft. Characters like Starfy? or Birdo? Red was a horrible idea made truely awesome by Sakurai, and he's WAAY more deserving then most of the suggestions i've seen....

but well, i could deal with it, then i start reading and oh holy mother of god, he doesnt fight, he uses not 1, nor 2, BUT 3 FREAKIN POKEMONS!!!!!!!! what the hell were they thinkin????
At least they aren't their own individual characters! Plus. If you don't like them why don't you just never use PT/Red!!
 

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I'm hoping they just fill the game up with as many creative characters as they can. Adding a character like this, a SPECTATOR who gives commands to three unworthy Pokemon, is not a creative character.
Are...are you serious??? Pokemon trainer, a guy who has three transformations as a character, controls two types of characteres we've never seen before (grass and water), and has to balance the use of all three...that isn't creative? What is wrong with you??

Pfft. Characters like Starfy? or Birdo? Red was a horrible idea made truely awesome by Sakurai....
And what, pray tell, do you have against Stafy??
 

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Pikachu was in because he's the very face of pokemon. Jigglypuff/Purin was in because he/she/it was the most popular pokemon IN JAPAN besides pikachu, not just because she was in the show, although it did help. Mewtwo prolly to have a legendary pokemon in the game, but also uh hello main baddy in the 1st movie!
Now I used to be a hardcore pokemon fan for the first two generations. Even played bought the third because in all honesty I still like the games. Then it was two years of things like pokemon mystery dungeun, and fire red/leaf green. So I thought I was due to buy one with REAL new content. Guess, what, I still like it.
Now this pokemon trainer, I don't like him because "ZOMG 3 POKEMANS!" but because this idea is so crazy it just might work. IF IT'S BALANCED. Obviously I'm not going to play him if he sucks, and if he's overpowerd that wouldn't be fun. If he's on the same level as everyone else this will be another good example of how great Nintendo's innovation is.
Taking pokemon a little out of context, just look at the chracters. We'll look at pikachu. Yes I'm aware he's a small yellow mouse with peperoni for cheeks and a toothbrush tail. But he's also incredibly fast, jump several times his own high, summon thundaaaaaaaah from the very heavens themselves, and apparently has the strength of ten men (he can throw Bowser). Thats kinda awesome. Other pokemon can aslo do some other crazy ****. Shoot lighting, breath fire, controll earthquakes and floods. Thats bad ***. Lets look past their cuter fluffy extreior (except for a few of them wolfs and dragons) and see the incredible power inside.

Lucario will only get in for the same reason as Jigg, popularity. The dude as spikes on the back of his hand! Ultra-pimp. Them ho's hold out on him and they'll get ***** slapped to the hospital.

Pichu was also chosen as an experimental clone because of super popularity.

I didn't realize how close "the incredible power inside." was untill I re-read this. XD Not a reference.

Now what would really make people made would be Blazcario (Incase you couldn't tell, it's Blazakin and Lucario)....WITH A SWORD!
 

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Are...are you serious??? Pokemon trainer, a guy who has three transformations as a character, controls two types of characteres we've never seen before (grass and water), and has to balance the use of all three...that isn't creative? What is wrong with you??
Like I said, the Pokemon are unworthy of Brawl. Before this announcement, the only people you heard who wanted Squirtle or Charizard for Brawl were desperate n00bs. Everyone else felt it was pretty much safe that they would NOT be playable.

Sakurai is saying that it's like a 'three in one' character, and it is, it's just that this was his way of adding more Pokemon. You're not acctually controlling PT, you're controlling his commands. So basically, you're playing as a spectator.
 
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