Am i the only one who didnt like Pokemon Trainer??? read b4 post

[the grim lizard]

Like I said, the Pokemon are unworthy of Brawl. Before this announcement, the only people you heard who wanted Squirtle or Charizard for Brawl were desperate n00bs. Everyone else felt it was pretty much safe that they would NOT be playable.

Sakurai is saying that it's like a 'three in one' character, and it is, it's just that this was his way of adding more Pokemon. You're not acctually controlling PT, you're controlling his commands. So basically, you're playing as a spectator.

You control the Pokemon. Unless...you've actually played the game and you can correct me...

Other than that, I have no idea what you're talking about. This is a very creative (and neat) character.

 

[Pit 42]

You control the Pokemon. Unless...you've actually played the game and you can correct me...

Other than that, I have no idea what you're talking about. This is a very creative (and neat) character.

Have you seen the update? It shows PT giving commands. I therefore assume that you control his commands. Don't see anything wrong with that.

I don't see why you're even calling PT a character. It's three more Pokemon.

 

[RoCkStAr69]

This isn't Pokemon? Having a large number of Poke representatives, doesn't automatically deem it a pokemon game... It will still be, by and large, a Smash Bros game.

And who's to say which characters are deserving of spots, and who is not?
Personal opinion doesn't make a good arguement because personal opinion is always debatable(sp?) depending on your flavor preferences...

 

[Jackal478]

Oh yeah, Grim....I just don't like starfy. Not a fighter looking character. Wouldn't technically mind him being in Brawl. But, alas. I didn't technically mind Pichu.

No Hate for Starfy but No Love either.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

If anything, it's a Legend of Zelda game but I digress. I was a bit hesistant about a PT when I read them in threads but after seeing screens and descirptions, this character is the most unique I have seen thus far. I am excited. Main him? No but I will have fun playing as him time to time.

Also, being a old school red and blue pokemon fan, I love how it points back to those games.

 

[Text Only Sword]

Well, Pokemon being the second most successful video game franchise in the world (Mario being the first) may have something to do with it, and Pokemon Trainer is the most important character from said franchise. The way I see it, him having three pokemon with him probably means we'll have less pokemon characters cluttering up the roster as well.

 

[tirkaro]

I don't see why you're even calling PT a character. It's three more Pokemon.

its one character. the stamina forces you to switch out pokemon at certain times, forcing a pokemon trainer player to master more than one moveset.

also, have you played SSBB at all? how do you know if the pokemon aren't "creative" themselves? pit is far from a creative character. they just took a classic character and gave him Z0Mg SwOrDZ, like we never saw those before!!!!!!

however, squirtle is the first water based fighter who has the potential to be an extremely unique character if they take most of his moves from the games/anime.

ivysaur is the first 4-legged fighter, and, like squirtle, has the potential to be unique if they stay true to ivysaur in the games (ie. leech seed, vine whip, solar beam, razor leaf, etc) plus, you dont see ivysaur splitting his razor leaf in 2 to make a sword do you?

charizard is the first actual dragon-like character(unless you count some qualites of bowser.) and is a powerhouse as well, making him perhaps the first heavy character with a better-than-average recovery.

plus, the pokemon trainer is the perfect representation for pokemon, perhaps even more than pikachu, since PT is who you actually play as throughout the games. and he is a very unique character. if you think otherwise, then you are just arrogant

 

[Bendu]

I couldn't get past the first post in this topic... So all I have to say is to the OP.

You are obviously made of pure whine. It's kind of annoying, you should stop it.

 

[Cloud5]

pikachue is kewl charactor only by it's looks not onit's movesi say don't bring back!

 

[JGTC]

Right, too many representitives from Pokemon. Sure. Let's look at the Mario series then, shall we?
Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, Dr. Mario (who won't come back sadly), and DK (since DK and Mario starred in their first game together, though Mario had a different name of course). That's what, 7? Yeah, thought so.

 

[Eikon]

Melee came out, pikachu was obviously in there, and jigglypuff returned, ok, they brought back everyone from the first game, so ok. mewtwo was unlockable, alright, his presence in smash is far more understandable than jigglypuff's, so alright, 3 pokemon, so they better stop there before this starts looking like a pokemon game. no, they didnt stop, they put pichu in the game... what the hell was that thing doing there??

Jigglypuff and Pichu were Japan's favorite's at the time. Much like Munchlax is now.


Now, I'm not for the Pokemon Trainer being in Brawl, but it is unique character. Now don't get me wrong, I do love Pokemon, it's just that he's really not much of a mascot. Unless, when you enter your name it says Pokemon Trainer ______, that would be cool.

 

[pikachun00b7]

You are seriously delusional if you write a sentence that reads something like: If Pichu's coming back.

He's not.

Are you Sakurai?

 

[The Black Cat]

Lucario isn't popular in Japan.

I don't see why he wouldn't be. If he at least isn't unpopular in Japan, his overwhelming American poplularity could get him in.

 

[ylink_underestimted]

30-35 at most? So you think they're going to add at most 9 characters? Try to work out 30-35 characters for me. You won't get everyone who deserves to be in. There will be more than 40.

ok well first of all, the first time i ever heard Brawl was coming out, i first thought 48 characters. and i put 30-35 at the most at like 6 in the morn or w/e. besides, i after a nice nap, i honestly think 50 at the most.

 

[Armagopalypse]

ok well first of all, the first time i ever heard Brawl was coming out, i first thought 48 characters. and i put 30-35 at the most at like 6 in the morn or w/e. besides, i after a nice nap, i honestly think 50 at the most.

Will most likely be anywhere from 30-50 characters, but in the end only time will tell.

 

[jaycee00]

New character with completely unique functionality...thumbs up.

 

[thabettaplaya]

This character can turn out to be either really cool or just stupid. It all depends on how much different each pokemon's moves are

 

[Dizzynecro]

Are you Sakurai?

you dont need to be sakurai to know pichu will not return.
and the the title of the thread...YES

 

[Circus]

you dont need to be sakurai to know pichu will not return.
and the the title of the thread...YES

You do, actually.

I'm so sick of the egos on this board talking about what they "know" about the Brawl roster.

EDIT: Wait, you're right. You don't have to be Sakurai to know who's in Brawl. Which member of his staff are you then?

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Have you seen the update? It shows PT giving commands. I therefore assume that you control his commands. Don't see anything wrong with that.

I don't see why you're even calling PT a character. It's three more Pokemon.

You control the Pokemon. SSBB isn't a game where you stand in the backround and give orders.

 

[Dizzynecro]

You do, actually.

I'm so sick of the egos on this board talking about what they "know" about the Brawl roster.

EDIT: Wait, you're right. You don't have to be Sakurai to know who's in Brawl. Which member of his staff are you then?

the one in charge of getting rid of the awfull character that is pichu, considering sakuria said he didn't want clones and pichu is clone incarnate.

 

[Circus]

the one in charge of getting rid of the awfull character that is pichu, considering sakuria said he didn't want clones and pichu is clone incarnate.

I don't remember him saying that. Didn't he only say "not all characters will return"? Lots of people assume that's referring to clones, but it doesn't actually hint at that at all.

I think it's very possible that Pichu may be cut, but he hasn't been yet. We've heard no word on him, so we don't know anything yet.

On topic: I still don't like the Trainer so far, as a character. But I like the originality. So, I guess this is good.

 

[Dizzynecro]

he has said this and il try and see if i can find it.

 

[Bry_Guy]

Like I said, the Pokemon are unworthy of Brawl. Before this announcement, the only people you heard who wanted Squirtle or Charizard for Brawl were desperate n00bs. Everyone else felt it was pretty much safe that they would NOT be playable.

Sakurai is saying that it's like a 'three in one' character, and it is, it's just that this was his way of adding more Pokemon. You're not acctually controlling PT, you're controlling his commands. So basically, you're playing as a spectator.

Yeah, your bias against pokemon is about as obvious as some of the bias with it. I saw you say the same thing about mario (probably just to cover your ***) which may say otherwise but I can't see anyone complaining about 6 characters from zelda/mario/starfox(don't know how starfox'd work but still).

And there's clearly going to be three different movesets for each, as far as how this correlates into his(PT, Red) being on the sidelines, you'll probably move the said pokies freely like a normal character through the controller, while he makes gestures and such to appear as though he's commanding them. There would be no sense in recovery/mind games with any of these characters (via DI, sweet-spotting, etc.) if you just gave them a simple command to follow without any improvization capability, and since the people working on this know more than I do about the game's functionality with the players, I can pretty much say without a doubt that there won't be some set moves reliant on CPU nature after a command is given.

All in all, my opinion as a pokemon fan is that it may have been nicer if they had just done charizard or hell, either dragonite/TTar, though the latter would probably be something of a bowser clone.

So yeah, it may be cool but we'll see, I have doubts. Even though Red from the manga wasn't a prepubescent douche, adn Oak had a 5 o'clock shadow, my bias doesn't preceed my judgement that he may be fun and compeling to play.

And what most people aren't getting, is that this game was orginally designed(64 and melee both) with promoting wach individual franchise that it represented, but also designed to be a good game that was very clean cut and fun to play to actually get people to try to expand on which chars they liked by bying the games that they were from. I would think that nintendo still keeps the part of that idea in it's mind when making Brawl, so it's obviously going to monopolize on it's best sellars. Zelda OOT got more good ratings than casablanca, hence why you saw four new chars from the game introduced in Melee, pokemon has 3 new games on the market, having a character that is fun to play would make those games all the more appealing, at least on a subconcious level, which is marketing 101 (exemplified in comercials that last all of ten seconds, which believe it or not do take their place in a small portion of your memory).

Final summary: I don't know how good he'll be, but to complain about pokemon numbers in a game with forty some characters in it as well, is pure ignorance. And as important as all of you think your opinions are, it's the majorities nintendo payed attention to when they made this, so express yourself, but stop getting ideas of grandeur, because those are what start flames.

 

[ylink_underestimted]

i missed a few earlier

pikachue is kewl charactor only by it's looks not onit's movesi say don't bring back!

well for one, wow, i thought people said i had bad grammer haha. second, his moveset is fine. heave u not seen people play really good with him? start out with the Pros yea? (AK's pika rocks). 3. i hate it when people say who should be in Brawl just because of looks...it simply annoys me...

Will most likely be anywhere from 30-50 characters, but in the end only time will tell.

yes only time will tell (hopefully it will tell 50+ XD)

You control the Pokemon. SSBB isn't a game where you stand in the backround and give orders.

well technically, if the TP gives orders, your controlling orders, plus he is the one who switches the Pokemon

 

[PyrasTerran]

considering that it's possible there might be 40 characters, I don't see how 5-6 pokemon reps is hogging the space. Pokemon simply has more characters than any of the franchise.

 

[susu_atari]

pokemon trainer is the perfect way to represent pokemon in brawl. in most games, there is one, maybe two playable characters. in rpgs, you've got between 4 and 15. in pokemon... yeah, nearly FIVE HUNDRED. giving them more than one character in one character slot is a very accurate representation of the pokemon gameplay.

Also, for goodness sake, the plural of pokemon is pokemon. not pokemons.

 

[NickRiddle]

Right, too many representitives from Pokemon. Sure. Let's look at the Mario series then, shall we?
Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, Dr. Mario (who won't come back sadly), and DK (since DK and Mario starred in their first game together, though Mario had a different name of course). That's what, 7? Yeah, thought so.

****, I was going to say that. Don't forget Wario now. That makes 8. (Or not counting DK still 7.) Also, people want Toad and Waluigi in the game...Sure, let's make every single Mario character playable...But more Pokemon characters? [sarcasm] OH NO! ANYTHING BUT THAT! [/sarcasm]

 

[CronoMaster]

****, I was going to say that. Don't forget Wario now. That makes 8. (Or not counting DK still 7.) Also, people want Toad and Waluigi in the game...Sure, let's make every single Mario character playable...But more Pokemon characters? [sarcasm] OH NO! ANYTHING BUT THAT! [/sarcasm]

There are a few posts about it, mine for example:

Thats my point, it doesnt matter how popular it is, this is not a pokemon game, is a nintendo game, i dont think one franchise should have that much characters, and that goes for mario as well, i mean, i really hope not to see toad and waluigi in there, again, not because i dont like them, but just as i say that this is not pokemon game, it isnt a mario party either

Ande there are a few more, so, no, is not only about pokemon. Oh, and DK has earned his own place since long ago, and so has Wario

 

[CronoMaster]

ok well first of all, the first time i ever heard Brawl was coming out, i first thought 48 characters. and i put 30-35 at the most at like 6 in the morn or w/e. besides, i after a nice nap, i honestly think 50 at the most.

Actually i think 50 would be just too much, i mean, yes, itd be cool to see a lot of great characters... but cmon, when there are A LOT, it just kind of stops being fun, i mean, i dont want it to turn into Marvel VS Capcom 2!! XD

But well, gettin back on topic, i see im not the only one that didnt like PT after all =) but, as most of u say, he IS original, i think so too

... but u know, i cant help thinkin what is he going to do in some stages, with scroll and stuff, and even if they made him so that he adapts to the stage and keep advancing with the scroll or somethin like that, what is he going to do when there is NO stage??

that came to my mind after looking at todays update. imagine, ur playing in any stage, the devil appears and send the whole stage out of the screen, all playable characters will jump to survive BUUUUT if ur playin as PT u dont control him, u control the pokemon, so ur pokemon will jump... but him???? is he going to fly????? cause u know... i assume if he dies ur pokemon die has well, then again i dont think HE can die directly, but it would be REALLY weird if he just flies or keeps jumping in the background when there is no safe ground XD

 

[SubparSmashBrother]

I'm kind of sad that they're using basically three seperate character 'spaces' for Pokemon. If Jigglypuff and Mewtwo come back, that's six freaking characters used all on Pokemon. I hope to god Sakurai stops there, because seven or eight plus the Pokeballs really is over-representing one franchise.

Needless to say, I like the originality put into this character, and playing as Squirtle or Charizard really looks tempting. Still, I would have rather them have put their time and effort into spreading into multiple underrepped/unrepped franchises instead of them stuffing so much into one. (This is coming from a long-time, hardcore Pokemon fan...)

However, if Sakurai manages to expand unrepped and underrepped franchises, AND managed to have enough time and space left to add onto the already over represented franchises like Mario and Pokemon, this guy is a welcome edition.

 

[ylink_underestimted]

I'm kind of sad that they're using basically three seperate character 'spaces' for Pokemon. If Jigglypuff and Mewtwo come back, that's six freaking characters used all on Pokemon. I hope to god Sakurai stops there, because seven or eight plus the Pokeballs really is over-representing one franchise.

Needless to say, I like the originality put into this character, and playing as Squirtle or Charizard really looks tempting. Still, I would have rather them have put their time and effort into spreading into multiple underrepped/unrepped franchises instead of them stuffing so much into one. (This is coming from a long-time, hardcore Pokemon fan...)

However, if Sakurai manages to expand unrepped and underrepped franchises, AND managed to have enough time and space left to add onto the already over represented franchises like Mario and Pokemon, this guy is a welcome edition.

wait, by 3, did u mean with Lucario? and if they add Jiggs and Mew2, thats 5 all together

 

[Exorcist]

There are 26 including Sheik. >_>

And if you're including Sheik, you may as well count Ivysaur, Charizard, and Squirtle as separate; so you have your 6 Pokemon already...

i meant "excluding shiek" not "including sheik"

Didn't even notice.

 

[BlueBandanaJake]

Someone may have said this already but Jigglypuff is the second most popular Pokemon in Japan next to Pikachu. That's why it made it to the first Smash in the first place.

 

[Black/Light]

wait, by 3, did u mean with Lucario? and if they add Jiggs and Mew2, thats 5 all together

I think he meant the 3 starters. They are each a complete character (save the Bv). So yes, thats 3 characters in one.

 

[ylink_underestimted]

I think he meant the 3 starters. They are each a complete character (save the Bv). So yes, thats 3 characters in one.

ooh. i thought he meant to put them as separate. well if u count PT as separate, that would then make 7 reps. just cuz hes not a Pokemon doesnt mean hes not a rep. so IMO, itd be best just to stick to PT and his Pokemon as one character

 

[Black/Light]

ooh. i thought he meant to put them as separate. well if u count PT as separate, that would then make 7 reps. just cuz hes not a Pokemon doesnt mean hes not a rep. so IMO, itd be best just to stick to PT and his Pokemon as one character

. . . .It doesn't matter if you "call" it one character. It has the animations/ attacks/ models/ stat balancing of 3 complete characters (each of them can do any button attack a normal character could save the down B).

It's like Sakurai said, 3 characters in on. They have all gotten the attention that reg characters have so yea, they are 3 characters under one slot.

 

[blazer787]

i don't they thought this through all the way.

senario. your playing on the destuctable course. it breaks. what happens to the PT. does he
a. fall to his death
b. stand on a randomly appering platform
or c. float on nothing

cheap tactics. when your about to get hit, swap out to avoid damage.

swaping pkmn after one gets nocked off the stage. were does PT through ball. land or off the edge?

 

[Bowserlick]

People are forgetting about cuts. I think Sakurai is cutting characters in order to add more players to a franchise without overburdening it and taking away from unrepresented franchises.

Pokemon is about using a team to battle. And the pokemon trainer captures this strategy and flavor perfectly. The idea of the selectable character being in the background is such a nice suprise.

So in order to incorporate this idea without overloading the game with pokemon, I think Sakurai is going to cut a couple pokemon.

I think Pichu and Jiggs is gone. Jiggs was Pits replacement in the first Smash. Now that Pit is here, Jiggs can take a rest (even though she is fun to play as). Plus with Metaknight in the mix Jiggs adds one to many puffs.

Mewtwo will probably return because he is a villain and was a popular one at a point. I think he will fit into the storyline of adventure mode very well.

So if that happens we will be losing two pokemon and gaining a networth of one. And it was obvious there would be at least one more pokemon in the third game.

 

[ylink_underestimted]

. . . .It doesn't matter if you "call" it one character. It has the animations/ attacks/ models/ stat balancing of 3 complete characters (each of them can do any button attack a normal character could save the down B).

It's like Sakurai said, 3 characters in on. They have all gotten the attention that reg characters have so yea, they are 3 characters under one slot.

yea, good point. so pokemon really is being over repped. Pika, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard, Jiggs and Mewtwo (if they make it back in), PT, and the pokeballd ones. wow