AlbertaSmash

[CrackHead]

it was more like..........

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Carl??? tell them how many

 

[FalseFalco]

I dunno, it was alot though.

My point is, don't get involved in an argument if you don't have all the facts.

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

**** ya'll it's ****en ditto's and everyone knows ganon ditto's are as ****ing garbage as sheik dittos.

 

[Randall00]

Now now, isn't second best Ganon in Canada enough??

Haha, sorry, I just love to quietly observe from the back of the room at how long this issue is being stretched out.

 

[firexemblemxpryde]

hehe the love is now in place.

try to encourage EC to come to Randall's tournament! i'd love to play some of them =)

Joel, being drunk doesn't make you cool. Just ask adam : he's cool before he gets drunk. and when he does, i beat him more often.

Joel, being cool doesn't make you drunk. Adam ask just. He's drunk after he gets cool. and he does, more often I beat him.

 

[FalseFalco]

Thats sum foolproof logix

ALASKA PLAYERS are coming to my house today, if you haven't already talked to me about coming then do so asap.

 

[kithkin]

I dunno, it was alot though.

My point is, don't get involved in an argument if you don't have all the facts.

oh I wasnt trying to argue, all I knew is that he had lost one MM. cause thats all I was told.

Sorry. (whats with everything I say getting me yelled at for arguing no matter how much it isnt)

 

[FalseFalco]

are you arguing with me brad?

 

[firexemblemxpryde]

No one beat histugaya once.

are you arguing with me pieter?

 

[MARIOWNAGE]

Suck my balls and post something hilarious, this thread sucks now

 

[kithkin]

I thought carls post was pretty funny.

Suck my balls and post something hilarious, this thread sucks now

 

[sdrawkcab]

Hey all,
Rumors have it that nintendo will make a showing at the 07 Capital EX (klondike days)
Does anyone have any confermation on this, or if theres a possibilty of a SSBM tournament?

 

[FalseFalco]

lol probably not
last year they werent there
year before they werent there
year before that they had a tourney.

Probably out of luck man.

 

[sdrawkcab]

I'm aware that they were not present for the last two years, but that litteraly means nothing. Else of corse you heard something definite.

As for the first year that they where there, I qualified for the MK tournament, but couldn't make the finals....I've been practicing ever since

 

[FalseFalco]

Well if I recal correctly, the tournament they did hold was coin battle time limit or something terrible skill demanding, so either way I'm sure most of us won't be too interested.

sdrawkcab you should come to one of our player-run tournaments and then see what you think of the k-days nintendo booth ones.

 

[kithkin]

haha. k-days.

is nintendo even showing at the stampede this year?

 

[Nihility]

Nintendo shows at K-Days?

What?

 

[kithkin]

People ever go to K-days? what?

 

[FalseFalco]

they were at kdays in 2004 or something and had a smash tournament.

They came once to west ed with the nintendo hummer (the nintank) in 2006 I believe, and me shawn sid and kevin threw in a copy of ssbm and beat up all the nintendo staff.

Good times.

 

[Randall00]

People ever go to K-days? what?

Indeed they do. For Calgary is not the centre of the universe as we have been led to believe.

 

[sdrawkcab]

Indeed they do. For Calgary is not the centre of the universe as we have been led to believe.

Thats right, Toronto is ovbiously the center of the universe. Didn't you know?

And as my status suggests, I am indeed a SSMB noob, After beating Guitar Hero, and all the time trial ghosts on Double Dash (finally) I'm running out of things to do Does Edmonton, or St.Albert even have local tournaments often? How are they generally run?

 

[kithkin]

Indeed they do. For Calgary is not the centre of the universe as we have been led to believe.

They sure like to focus on themselves, I never heard of K-days before. (well except when I was too little to even know what the stampede was, and back then I thought they were in the yukon.

Thats right, Toronto is ovbiously the center of the universe. Didn't you know?

And as my status suggests, I am indeed a SSMB noob, After beating Guitar Hero, and all the time trial ghosts on Double Dash (finally) I'm running out of things to do Does Edmonton, or St.Albert even have local tournaments often? How are they generally run?

Well for a while calgary had the bi-weeklies, you'd have to ask randall though.

as for edmonton, you dont have a actual thing do you? just you guys saying "SMASH AT CARLS SUNDAY"

 

[Nihility]

Edmonton and St. Albert both follow the same interchangeable smashing format, which is as follows.

SMASH AT ________'S.

 

[FalseFalco]

Yeah in Edmonton it's pretty VIP.

Basically _____ calls me and wants to play smash so I go through my phone list of smashers and call them all up.

or

Shawn and I get a smash craving and invite everyone over.

 

[MARIOWNAGE]

I CALLED CARL AND DID THAT ONCE <3
'cept I got him to go to my house

 

[kithkin]

**** I wish carl came to my house.

except my parents would be like "who the hell is this"

 

[FalseFalco]

No your mom would slip me a 50 and then skip away flustered.

 

[kithkin]

LOL

not too short.

 

[sdrawkcab]

haha well if you guys ever feel like beating on a nOOb, I can take a beating with out complaining, button smashing or trowing my controller at the tv or others

I'm 17, just in case you had the impression I'm a nerdy 12 year old ;-)
man I feel like I'm posting a personal add >.<

 

[Nihility]

Where do you live.

 

[FalseFalco]

lol don't post your address

do you live in south north east west Edmonton?

 

[firexemblemxpryde]

Imperio!

He lives with ME.
You will not beat on said noob, you will all come to BC.

We will then have a major tournament, which me and john will win, both singles and doubles, and then we can go for all you can eat sushi, followed by deep-fried banana.

You will refer to me as "Lord Manli". I am The Only One Carl Ever Feared.

 

[kithkin]

Carl Phears Teh ****

 

[victra♥]

can someone come down to Seattle? lol. I wont be able to smash till the tourney cause my brother and i forgot to bring it. :[

 

[FalseFalco]

Go play with eggz and silent wolf victra

 

[victra♥]

yeah, i was thinking of contacting eggz. But the question is, does he wanna go to the trouble of driving across town to play a nub. lol plus i'd make Alberta look bad.

 

[MARIOWNAGE]

He's already played Carl in BC...

 

[kithkin]

Hey, you might as well see how you rank up to eggz.

I'd like to see myself against him, hope not to get owned too hard.

 

[Randall00]

CCSC Power Rankings - Proposed Format & List

My intention was to first discuss the matter of Power Rankings concerning Central Canada smashers outside of this thread, but I've been a little overwhelmed with both smash- and non-smash-related responsibilities as of late. I mentioned it in passing to a few of you, but little to no progress has been made and I figured if I don't do something, nobody will. I'd like to ensure that the majority of my Melee-related concepts actually come to fruition rather than die a slow, painful death like most unfinished ideas.

For those of you who do not know, the Smash World Forums administration requires that all regional power rankings have a "mission statement" in order to decide "what the panel is attempting to do." Presumably this is to ensure that only serious smash communities are recognized as having actual, legitimate power rankings. However, they also go on to say that mission statement need not be unique from others, which means that any schmuck can copy and paste a mission statement and pretend they know what they're doing.

Of course, we do know what we're doing here, right? Yes! But, we're short on people who will bother to come up with a mission statement, so that's where I come in.

Below is my own draft of a "mission statement" for the CCSC Power Rankings. It attempts to take the best points of the existing mission statements I have read and fuse them in to the fairest representation of play across Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. The main concept is loosely modeled off of the Washington Power Rankings theory which makes special mention of typically-overlooked variables as well as performance in both competitive and non-competitive play:

As Power Rankings by region slowly becomes a standard element of all healthy smash communities, Central Canada opted to create such a list of its own to continue to draw interest into the competitive tournament scene from both new, budding communities and those that have already been established. This list is loosely representative of the top 25 players within the circuit, however it should not necessarily be viewed as a black-and-white competition wherein player #3 is better than player #4, but rather a cooperative goal where player #4 welcomes player #3 into the ranks instead of holding grudges and complaining that he got knocked down a rung. The ranking system is done in the spirit of making players more competitive without damaging the tournament community environment of good sportsmanship and friendly interaction.


Obtaining a position on the CCSC Power Rankings list is determined by a panel of x Central Canada smashers who generally and actively witness a large number of matches between a lot of players in their respective locations and, as well have a relevant understanding of the archetypical growth in skill level between both individual players and their communities at large. Since the CCSC is comprised of both veteran communities of smashers and new, budding communities of novice players, the relative skill level of the competition is factored into the ranking process. That said, this doesn't necessarily mean that the #1 player from Saskatoon is going to be tied for first with the #1 player from Winnipeg; instead, the strength of those individual communities and the feedback coming from their respective liaisons will be factored into the final decision as well.

In terms of individual player analysis, know that you are not being ranked strictly on tournament results, win-loss data, total number of 4-stockings, total coins swiped or any other statistic that could conceivably be recorded and interpreted by a computer. Regardless of how much damage you have or how many lives you have left, it is your performance within those games that also affects where you stand on the CCSC Power Rankings. For example, if you played in ten tournaments all across Central Canada and got eliminated in the opening rounds of every single one, it doesn't exactly speak too highly to your own skill level. But what if every single one of those matches just happened to be randomly against a Marth on Yoshi's Story? I mean sure, that's not really an excuse for losing since you've usually get a best-of-3 set at least, but when you're dealing with black and white stats like winning and losing, sometimes it really is just going to come down to one match. How would you feel to practice hard and travel to ten tournaments just to get tippered off those narrow Yoshi's Story edges ten times? Well if you're actually a really good player who probably deserves a spot on the Power Rankings, it's not exactly fair to ignore you just because you finished last in ten tournaments.

We've all lost matches due to bad air dodges or a narrowly missed tech that you could've sworn you had and in deciding the CCSC Power Rankings, we're trying to make sure that those incidents do not reflect poorly on a player's rank. (Unless of course they happen all the time; there's a difference between a narrowly missed tech and one that's badly timed...or not attempted at all.)

Tournament results and win consistency will obviously not be ignored while assessing CCSC smashers, however the primary focus will be on how you handle individual situations within matches, your degree of control over your character and the decisions you make in combat to utilize that control. Of course, the players who are best at these things will generally place well at tournaments, too. To make the judging as fair to the player as possible, character match-ups and stage advantages/disadvantages will have an effect on your overall performance analysis as well.

For example, if you are a passionate Marth main, we aren't going to hold it against you for failing to sweetspot Pichu's Agility on Battlefield in a low-tier money match. That said, if you clean house with Pichu and win that money match without losing a life, that is obviously representative of your skill level as a smasher and you get points for that. Basically, you don't get any points for luck, but you also don't lose any points for sandbagging. (Note: There are no actual numerical voting "points.")
Any questions with regards to the position criteria, Power Rankings in general or the on-going happenings of the Central Canada Smash Circuit can be directed to either of the panelists above.



​

Now, as to the matter of panelists and the integrity of the rankings overall, there needs to be representation from each of the regions. This is where we run into some problems with the current competitive scene.

There are definitely multiple smashers in the following cities, as far as I know:

• ALBERTA
  • Edmonton
  • St. Albert
  • Red Deer
  • Calgary
  • Lethbridge
  • Grand Prairie
• SASKATCHEWAN
  • *tumbleweed*....helloooooo?
• MANITOBA
  • Winnipeg

There's a few scattered about in places like Fort Saskatchewan and various other rural Alberta locations. We talked to one guy from Saskatoon, but one guy doesn't make a community. Therefore, unless I'm told otherwise, Saskatchewan is currently totally unrepresented on the list.

MANITOBA

The problem I've been having with Manitoba is exactly the same problem I'm going to be having with this post: nobody's going to read it because it's too long. My attempt to contact them was met with practically no response and I did talk to a tournament director from Winnipeg known as nYo, but he said that he pretty much just does the tournaments and Rex is in charge of the actual organizational aspect. Unfortunately, Rex seems to be considerably harder to get ahold of and even instant messages are met with silence.

I'm more than willing to bring them more closely within the fold of the circuit and when I first brought it up, there was some enthusiasm for the idea, but there is a communication problem somewhere. A big part of the reason is that their community's central hub for online contacts is located offsite from the SmashBoards page (and I don't blame them). But, that's okay, because....well, when Brawl hits the shelves, there's going to be a lot of people playing and I have no doubt that we will see Manitoba smashers popping up all over SmashBoards. THAT is when the real work begins and we can start to bridge some of those loose connections. In fact, by then, we might have enough enthusiastic players for a national circuit, who knows....

PANELISTS

• RJM - Calgary, AB
• FalseFalco - Edmonton, AB
• FastFox - Edmonton, AB
• nYo - Winnipeg, MB

nYo is listed as a Winnipeg panelist for now until I can get a clearer understanding of what's going on over there. The two Edmonton representatives have both demonstrated a clear and intelligent understanding of the game and have more tournament experience against professional players than the rest of us combined. More importantly, these panelists are selected because of their level of exposure to the community's local smash scene. They have a good understanding of the level of competition comparative to other local players and are therefore fit to pass judgment about where they should end up on the list.

Now, then, without further ado, here's my list:

1. Mike
2. FalseFalco
3. Shwn
4. Steve
5. FastFox
6. LemonLau
7. Nick
8. Jarrod
9. MICH
10. xpiritflare
11. MagnuM
12. RJM
13. =]
14. Jiangshadow
15. BackItch

There we are, thanks to the power of naming names, NOW we should see some discussions/complaints rolling in.

But a few points:

- THIS IS NOT THE LIST!
and
- EVEN IF IT WERE, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY BITCHING.

Some people get SOOOOOOOO defensive about their position on this stupid power rankings lists that it totally discourages me from even making one. Look, it doesn't matter, okay? We're all playing the same game and we're all part of the same community. The best and most honorable thing that the first-place smasher could do would be to congratulate someone else for taking their spot.

I know how this game works and I know how important it is to a lot of people that they are represented as good players. But there's a lot of good players, and you just have to deal with that. In case you hadn't noticed, I have a community-oriented mentality towards regional smash and when dealing with such a touchy subject, the last thing I want to hear is "but i beat player X ALL DAY yesterday and hes still above mee...i shoudl be higherrr!!! ". It is incalculably self-centered and since I'm likely gonna be the one running the thread, I reserve the right to have zero tolerance for such garbage.

With regards to my list....

The 15 smashers above are a rough representation of my opinion on how CCSC smashers stack up against one another based on the criteria above. If somebody asked me today to draft a list of the top 15 smashers based on the criteria above, this would be my answer.

My honest opinion is that power rankings are never an accurate representation of scalable skill levels, regardless of the size of the region. There are far too many variables in this game and I think the closest thing you can come to accurately ranking players goes more like this:

1. Player 1 (except on Battlefield)
2. Player 2 (except when facing Player 1 on Battlefield, or when teamed with Player 5 against Players 6 & 7)
3. Player 3 (except against Marth on Fountain of Dreams (while playing Sheik) or when teamed against Players 2 & 5 on non-neutral stages)
4. Player 4 (only with low tier characters, except when using Fox against players 2 or 3 (but not 1, except on Final Destination (as Falco))...blah blah blah

SO....

Now that you've had a chance to take a look at my list and disagree with it, I would like you to post your own. Or post changes to the existing list. But MORE IMPORTANTLY, make sure that your own version of the list is FOLLOWING THE SAME CRITERIA.

That is, of course, unless you disagree with the criteria and would like to re-write the mission statement, I guess.

Also, based on the above criteria, I would like to know why you have placed certain people where they are.

Things to keep in mind:

• The list should be comprised of ACTIVE smashers only. My drafted list contains two players whose fate is uncertain to my knowledge: Nick and Jarrod, both of whom were veritable Punch Crew pros from back in the day, but seem to be more or less retired now. Nevertheless, I've included them because they did make an appearance at CT3 in Edmonton. Was Aaron there too? Anybody know?
• CCSC Power Rankings are a reward system of sorts, not a punishment one. No smasher should ever go DOWN on the rankings list, but anyone can go UP. What I mean by that is that you should never propose that someone be taken down a few notches, not even if you think you've got good reasons. Instead, suggest that another player move up and give reasons why. If someone has earned their position, there's no reason to take them down, but if someone has improved significantly (based on the criteria above), he/she certainly deserves to be moved up. (If this doesn't make sense still, let me know; it's just a different approach to Power Rankings, not a different numbering system or anything.)

Oh-kay, so feed me some input and I'll get the ball rolling!

(P.S. To the three smashers listed just below me in positions 13-15: That is NOT a challenge, but that should be obvious.)

 

[firexemblemxpryde]

Very good work. I'd agree with that criteria.
I would, however, vouch for Magnum STUUU, who placed 4th in doubles at CT3, and higher than me in singles. Stuicides are stoo good.