Advocates for a More Open Stage List Unite!

[Piford]

Competition should be fair

Stages like Gaur Plains, 3D Land, Balloon Fight, Magicant and every other horribly hazard based map influence that fairness negatively. They either impact so many MUs negatively or just the general meta negatively by making matches too unfair

We can't have a stagelist with every stage or even half the stages being viable because at that point you're altering the balance and fairness of competition, which is a no no. Unless you have some kind of horribly tedious ban-related solution so that players could ban a ****ton of stages, but at that point I guarantee you that players would ban every stage but the 5 or 6 stages the community has decided SHOULD be in the actual stagelist, so it wouldn't change anything aside from making sets take longer.

Gaur Plains has 0 hazards on it. 3D Land has one very predictable (the spike wall that shows up in the back for about 10 seconds before it hits once and leaves) hazard. Balloon Fight's problem is the fact that its a stage with essentially a blast zone in the center that allow for simple tilts to kill at 0%. Magicant's Flying Man is definitely a problematic stage hazard.

 

[popsofctown]

Does anyone want to test walk-off camping with me?

You'd have to test the tactic with every character in every matchup and deem it not worth the risk in every single case. The tactic is unacceptable because it artificially reduces the sample size of a 3 stock game, which is anticompetitive. It's not that the strategy is frequently too powerful, it's that whenever the strategy is employed, a lot less smash gets played before determining who gets knocked out of loser's bracket.

That's walk off camping in general.. Gaur plain might be a bizarre, special case though, because the walk off area is higher than the other areas, and generally a character is weak against threats from below. So that's maybe a salvageable stage.