About sheik's moves.....

[Teczer0]

I have two questions about sheik's moves.

1) How many more frames does it take for sheik to throw an extra needle in air (Obviously without canceling the lag).

For example if it takes sheik say 7 frames to throw one needle in the air, how many extra frames would it take to throw an additional needle without being able to cancel the lag?

2) Where are the hitboxes for sheik's f-air?

 

[KirbyKaze]

sheik's fair





don't know about aerial needles

 

[elvenarrow3000]

When fired from the air…
Needles released at 11, 14, 17, 20,
23, 26
Auto cancels when landed
Last frame: 39

 

[elvenarrow3000]

When fired from the air…
Needles released at 11, 14, 17, 20,
23, 26
Auto cancels when landed
Last frame: 39

 

[Teczer0]

So f-air start from above sheik and the needles start on frame 11 and it takes 3 additional frames to throw 1 additional needle.

Amazing

 

[soap]

11 is alot slower than i thought it was, but that explains things...

i have a question about needle priority, sometimes aerials or smashes plow right through a full charge of needles even and hits me, like falcos fsmash, ganons fair, i know the needles hit them, or rather their high priority hitbox and the move just kept coming. its not like falcos laser that stops everything instantly, what is the general priority on needles?

 

[soap]

So f-air start from above sheik
Amazing

thats actually really useful cuz u can shorthop fair to pressure people on platforms above u, even dreamland

 

[Teczer0]

thats actually really useful cuz u can shorthop fair to pressure people on platforms above u, even dreamland

=D and you can use it to reverse f-air CF trying to get back on the stage =D.

If you're on the edge I mean

 

[KirbyKaze]

omg i want to edgeguard falcon now

 

[Teczer0]

omg i want to edgeguard falcon now

I think I might start to just fall off f-air then follow up with a b-air now

Can't wait to test this out

 

[RaynEX]

Yea it works and its silly. You can reverse fair...

gahhhhh broken.

edit: KK do you have pics of bair's hitbox as well? I want to see how far in front of Sheik it goes.

 

[KirbyKaze]

it lasts from frame 4 - 19. i've posted 4 - 9. if there's a demand i'll post more but the back end doesn't get any bigger after 6 it shrinks slightly (but still pretty big) and then remains that way for the rest of the duration.

for the front part basically if you're trying to hit fox out of firefox you have to do it around frame 6 - 19. the frame 4 hitbox is too small.

 

[RaynEX]

my god the tip of her foot is ridiculous. It goes so far underneath her leg.

 

[worldjem7]

how did you get those pics?

 

[KirbyKaze]

magic.

i'm just that incredible.

edit: seanson hitbox system --> download. open the file, go to frames, pick a character, pick a move. voila. images.

 

[Teczer0]

Weak F-air makes everything look better

 

[KirbyKaze]

pshhhhhhhhhh

there's no such thing as a weak fair

 

[Teczer0]

pshhhhhhhhhh

there's no such thing as a weak fair

LOL

Oops

I was close though, because f-air does make everything look better

 

[KirbyKaze]

/agree

gimping with needle --> fair looks so much cooler than just needle --> edgehog

fair is just so sexy

even sexier is needle --> edgehog --> drop off the edge turn around needle cancel double jump fair

gimps shouldn't be this fun

i blame you and soap talking about them and then making me want to try

 

[Teczer0]

I think gimping is a major reason why I play Sheik .

I mean you can with Marth but his aren't as sexy.

I want to gimp SO bad now

I'm thinking of more gimps cuz of this thread

 

[I.B]

You guys disgust me.

****ing ninjas...

 

[KirbyKaze]

Gimping with Sheik makes me feel warm and good inside.

 

[Teczer0]

Kinda like a warm and very tasty brownie .

 

[KirbyKaze]

Or Oreo cheesecake! =D

 

[Teczer0]

O_________O

Oreos make the world taste better

 

[KirbyKaze]

teczero if you come to canada i'll make you melt-in-your-mouth steak, and oreo cheesecake

YOU CANNOT RESIST!!!!!!!!

 

[Teczer0]

teczero if you come to canada i'll make you melt-in-your-mouth steak, and oreo cheesecake

YOU CANNOT RESIST!!!!!!!!

O_O

Must go to Canada >_____________>

Want to play melee and eat tasty steak and have amazing dessert >_<.

 

[KirbyKaze]

if it wasn't for my tt sig i'd probably arrange select hitbox images into a banner with the words "LOL DISJOINTED HITBOX" and other crap for a sig.

sheik's bair is massive LOL.

 

[NeighborhoodP]

so how exactly do you reverse fair? just hit it at the top as the move starts?

 

[Teczer0]

sheik's fair

All you really have to do is hit with the back part of the f-air.

Cuz the circle is huge, and the same hitbox stays out for a few frames so you probably don't need to hit it on only the first frame.

I'm pretty sure you don't necessarily hit with only the top part.

 

[NeighborhoodP]

how long do you have to do it for it to send them backwards?

 

[KirbyKaze]

I don't think the third frame sends them backwards I think you have to hit with the top of her but don't quote me on it because I don't know because I fail and stuff.

 

[worldjem7]

k well I'm testing and you can reverse from the top of her fair but it's not exclusive to that. You can pretty much reverse Fair with any part of the fair. The hard part is landing it properly. Frig it's hard...

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Yeah, my understanding was that reverse hits were generated if your opponent was behind the hitbox, relatively speaking. So basically, towards the back of the red circle.

 

[darkatma]

I can reverse fair almost at will against falcon's recovery and peach's parasol recovery. Just position yourself so that sheik's back is inside the other character, then fair

edit:
this will cause the first few frames to hit them backwards, since the starting hitbox frames are above sheik and extend to her shoulders

 

[SPAWN]

o_O This thread is amazzing. I really wanna gimp some people now. It's not good to have this many Sheik want to gimp people THIS badly. I think we're going to explode some other characters.

 

[KirbyKaze]

b-throw dash off double jump rising nair FOR ****ING LIFE

 

[NeighborhoodP]

b-throw dash off double jump rising nair FOR ****ING LIFE

the DSF

 

[Mew2King]

that's the everybody, i've been doing that shiit before i started tourneys

 

[RaynEX]

man you're so modest m2k. >_>