64 Extreme Makeover, Smashboards Edition

[Blue Yoshi]

Ok... seeing as someone has to create the thread for people to start posting, and how everyone's too hyped about deciding right away on an ambassador, I decided to create a thread where we can actually discuss what is important... the changes themselves.

Currently suggested changes:

Own Section

Backroom

General discussion
Video forum
Competitive Events
Character and Stage



Now lets start discussing these. If you have any opinions on either our own section, general discussion, video forum, competitive events, or character and stage, post your opinions. LETS LEAVE THE BACKROOM DISCUSSION FOR LAST... otherwise no one will discuss the rest.

 

[Zantetsu]

Backroom and Video Section

That's all we need

 

[Mahie]

Backroom and Video Section

That's all we need

I agree with this ^

The whole purpose it to get things clearer and more appealing to people who don't play SSB , right ?

 

[JaimeHR]

Like i said on the ambassador thread (if someone even read it, sad face) i think the most wanted change is that SSB64 is moved from "Gaming" to its own whole forum like Melee and Brawl.

 

[Frogles]

i don't see why we NEED a backroom. the matchup thread seemed to progress just fine without excluding 90% of people from posting in it. dividing a community thats already small is NOT the way to attract more people and help the community grow.

and i agree with jaime (i read your post in the other thread lol). =P

 

[Mahie]

That change will be hard to get. I think MLG_JV wants to see there's a new SSB64 Hype or something before creating those boards. The problem with that is that new people don't come to these boards since they're so hard to find / unappealing.

Edit : That was an answer to Jaime.

 

[SilentSlayers]

Backroom, Video Section, seperate forum just like Brawl and Melee.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

I'd suggest having a tournament sub-forum (like our competitive events subforum... but for tournaments).

i don't see why we NEED a backroom. the matchup thread seemed to progress just fine without excluding 90% of people from posting in it. dividing a community thats already small is NOT the way to attract more people and help the community grow.

and i agree with jaime (i read your post in the other thread lol). =P

Lets brainstorm for now and discuss it later. If someone suggests having a sub-forum for pink butterflies, then we'll add it to the list. Once we start discussing the suggestions, we can remove it.

Now this was an exageration... and if someone suggests pink butterflies or anything like that, it won't be put up... but you get my point.

 

[Superstar]

I'm gonna have to agree with Mahie. Really, there's no reason for the SSB64 split unless there is some more "push" into the scene. By making more forums, well, you're "splitting" the discussion so to say. So I don't really know about it.

What I really hate are people from the other two games dismissing it.

 

[Xivii]

The competetive events forum is for tournaments... >_>

 

[Blue Yoshi]

The competetive events forum is for tournaments... >_>

I was just suggesting a name change... that's all. We seem to use it for online and offline tournaments only anyways... since ladders seem to fail.

 

[Mahie]

I think a " How to get started with online SSB64" should be created , because I can't imagine myself being a nub and finding all the info by myself in the threads. The online part of the game is what can attract new players to the game imo...

 

[MattNF]

As I've stated a billion times, a backroom will be completely pointless. I've yet to see someone post a legit reason why we should have one.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Lets brainstorm for now and discuss it later. If someone suggests having a sub-forum for pink butterflies, then we'll add it to the list. Once we start discussing the suggestions, we can remove it.

Now this was an exageration... and if someone suggests pink butterflies or anything like that, it won't be put up... but you get my point.

alot of people seem to disagree with the backroom... so for now I'll leave it in and when we discuss it, we'll decide whether it's worth keeping.

And Mahie...

http://www.sitesled.com/members/myztek/index.html

Link taken from the Official Smash Index. But of course, no one reads the index, so no one would find it.

 

[Darth Rancorous]

#1: have our own smashboards section.
#2: split it up into:
a) ssb64 general forum (everything else not included in the other forums)
b) ssb64 character and stage forum (discuss characters, stages, and match-ups)
c) ssb64 video forum (post and discuss vids)
d) ssb64 competitive forum (tournaments, money matches, etc.)
and last but not least, no backroom please. the ssb64 community is small as it is, we dont need to split it up even further. also, having a backroom would only add to the ego of those in it even more

 

[Daedatheus]

Remember guys, this is SMASHboards, and the popularity of our 64 forum is absolutely IRRELEVANT to the argument of whether or not we should have our own section. As it stands now, our section is below even a forum that isn't about Smash.

Smash64 should have its own section because it is a SMASH BROS. GAME. Bottom line. Point Finale.
It is plain stupid to argue against this.

Get that change made first then start arguing for a backroom. The Smashboards mods are already iffy enough about it.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Well... are there any more suggestions? If we're done suggesting ideas, then lets start suggesting stuff. Man I wish I could create polls... that would be much easier...

Well, since I can't, lets put it this way.

Who agrees or disagrees with the following suggestions:

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New Section

General Discussion
Competitive Events
Video Forum
Character/Stage discussion

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Lets leave the backroom for last and discuss this first. Otherwise, everyone will discuss the backroom and no one will be discussing these. So for now, NO DISCUSSIONS OVER THE BACKROOM... leave it for last.

 

[hamburglar]

i was thinking about a more organized, how-to section with guides (most of which already exist here but are currently slightly disorganized.) that way we can try and cut down on repeat questions. ("how do i play online/host p2p/z-cancel!?") despite the fact that these questions are already answered on the site, people still ask them and i think its mainly because the "How-To" section isn't very orderly.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Do you mean actual how-to forums, or threads? We could have a stickied 'how to play online' thread, someone's working on the AT thread...

We can have all those in sticked threads.

 

[Darth Rancorous]

i was thinking about a more organized, how-to section with guides (most of which already exist here but are currently slightly disorganized.) that way we can try and cut down on repeat questions. ("how do i play online/host p2p/z-cancel!?") despite the fact that these questions are already answered on the site, people still ask them and i think its mainly because the "How-To" section isn't very orderly.

the general discussion forum will have stickies of these topics. for example, "how to z-cancel" will be in the advanced technique thread, and things like, "how do i play online?" will be answered by a sticky on how to set up online smash.

and blue yoshi, seeing as how those were my ideas (or more like near's from that poll he made) i agree to all of them

edit: blue yoshi beat me to it

 

[ballin4life]

64 needs its own section. I don't really care if it stays as just one forum or splits, but it should have its own header. Also no backroom please.

 

[hamburglar]

Do you mean actual how-to forums, or threads? We could have a stickied 'how to play online' thread, someone's working on the AT thread...

We can have all those in sticked threads.

Yea stickied threads works but i was thinking more akin to how we have a competitive events sub forum now with all the tourney threads, we could have a how to sub forum with all the how-to threads. idk, i thought it might be more efficient/neater

 

[asianaussie]

We should work on character threads and getting a video forum. The character threads can double as a basic guide for noobies, and also incorporate tips for slightly higher level players. Otherwise, those threads can just function as discussion threads and small character-based video archives. It'll cut down the threads about certain character techniques, that's for sure.

The video forum is also something that should be put in quickly - watching videos is the best way to learn Smash, and having a diverse collection (ie. not just Isai, though I expect his videos will make up the majority) should help newbies and developing players (and higher level players too) learn new tricks and get better.

On a side note, a backroom would immediately give SSB64 a more competitive veneer, especially if it were featured on the main page in SSB64's OWN SECTION. This would definitely attract new players, which is probably something we should be working on. I know there are plenty of arguments against it, so I'm just throwing out a pro first...

 

[MattNF]

Video section isn't needed. It's not like people actually post videos often enough for it to warrant its own forum.

 

[Nybb]

I liked the idea of a Character Board that was tossed around in the last thread... i.e. a single subforum with a thread for each character. Having a subforum for each character (a la Melee and Brawl) in definitely not needed.

I don't think we need a Video subforum, a Competitive Events subforum, AND a General Discussion forum, plus the Character one. There won't be much left to say in General. Perhaps the Video board could replace the Events one?

 

[Xivii]

I was just suggesting a name change... that's all. We seem to use it for online and offline tournaments only anyways... since ladders seem to fail.

Oh I see, yeah a name change would make it sound more pro.

Man I wish I could create polls... that would be much easier...

I think I can do that or something, just let me know what you need.

 

[KevinM]

Guys, not that I'm really debating but a lot of you guys know I was fairly active in the community for a while so I figured I'd address this :D and the chances of you getting multiple subforums is rather slim while you guys as a whole are largely inactive.

For now I'd say work towards getting your own section, be respectful and don't come off as elitist when you ask for them. In otherwords, don't talk about how you DESERVE it etc, no matter how true you think it may be or it actually is.

Just come to one of the admins, (Scav, Queen Killjoy, KirbyKing, MLG_JV) and let them know that you feel the Smash64 community is growing as a whole and as a monumental addition to the smash community, being the original and still competitive, deserves its own section.

Thats the best way to go about it.

 

[Superstar]

Remember guys, this is SMASHboards, and the popularity of our 64 forum is absolutely IRRELEVANT to the argument of whether or not we should have our own section. As it stands now, our section is below even a forum that isn't about Smash.

Smash64 should have its own section because it is a SMASH BROS. GAME. Bottom line. Point Finale.
It is plain stupid to argue against this.

Get that change made first then start arguing for a backroom. The Smashboards mods are already iffy enough about it.

And it'd be fine if each forum only gets a post a week? At best, I can only see one more forum being made, and then this one, competitive events, and that forum are the ones to have their section.

Thinking more, I think the main problem is that people from the other games dismiss the game with "every stock is a 0-death and equal approach possibilities". They almost all think that. Problem is, I don't know how to address it. Combo videos won't work.

 

[Xivii]

I was originally trying to get some activity going with this: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=243847

It's most likely true that the board doesn't get so much attention because it's way down under gaming but it also true what KevinM says; if we, the regulars, cannot show that S64 does still have life then we can't expect anything from the admins. The outside appeal only plays a partial role in the growth of the community, ultimately it's the inside appeal that matters.

I still think it is important to discuss these things so that we know what we are aiming for. I also think it is important to have an ambassador like JV proposed. Everyone wants different things and it just gets too messy with a bunch of people PMing the admins about it. It just ends up looking like a bunch of complaints and disagreements. Once an ambassador is appointed then he will take the things discussed here up to the admins.

 

[NixxxoN]

Come on dudes, editing the boards index and put this forum into its own section is pretty fkn EASY! And doing it would sure make it more visible and attrackt more people here.
When more people have come, just make more subforums.

 

[Xivii]

Who agrees or disagrees with the following suggestions:

Video Forum

Video-sub is the one thing I agree with 100%. Judging from the poll most of the board does. The last take was 39 Yes and 16 No.

 

[Daedatheus]

And it'd be fine if each forum only gets a post a week? At best, I can only see one more forum being made, and then this one, competitive events, and that forum are the ones to have their section.

By "section" I only meant its own header, like Brawl and Melee have, and to move it above the "General Discussion" section as well.

I agree that all these multiple forums for Smash64 alone are not necessary.

 

[Lawrencelot]

We don't need more subsections. Our main forum just below melee and out of the 'gaming in general' or whatever it's called is what we need most, then when we grow into a larger community we can think of more sections (one section that hasn't been mentioned is a regional section, that would be cool as well).

Another idea which I'm sure the melee players won't like but who knows what the staff thinks of it: put smash64 as a subsection of the melee section. It makes sense from a non-competitive point of view: brawl is the newest 'current' game, melee and 64 are the older games and are put below brawl.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

I disagree with 64 being a subsection of melee... and as for regional section, there's this:

http://www.smashboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=89

 

[MattNF]

Video-sub is the one thing I agree with 100%. Judging from the poll most of the board does. The last take was 39 Yes and 16 No.

Why do we need one? >_> To make the SSB64 forum even less active than it is already? And like I said, it's not like people actually post videos often enough to warrant its own forum, nor are there any frequent tournaments where matches were recorded either (like melee or brawl)

 

[Xivii]

Why do we need one? >_> To make the SSB64 forum even less active than it is already? And like I said, it's not like people actually post videos often enough to warrant its own forum, nor are there any frequent tournaments where matches were recorded either (like melee or brawl)

It wouldn't make it less active if it replaced 'competitive events'. I was thinking tournaments could be placed on the main board seeing that there are fewer tournaments made than videos posted.

 

[Technologikall]

Character specific boards would be nice but I don't know if the Smash64 community is big enough for it.