Official 4BR Tier List V4 - Competitive Insight & Analysis

[Iridium]

pretty sure the last time we saw MK from leo was at tokaigi
..............where it got 4-0'ed by Nairo.............

That reminds me of how Leo at one point said he wanted to try out Sheik. I wonder if he would ever think of doing that legitimately towards any top player.

 

[The_Bookworm]

That reminds me of how Leo at one point said he wanted to try out Sheik. I wonder if he would ever think of doing that legitimately towards any top player.

I remembered one day that ANTi claimed that he is dropping Mario for Sheik. That never came to fruition lol.

 

[Lord Dio]

so uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Mistake lost to keitaro and slamshady in RR pools and came out 3rd, in top 32 losers I think

 

[The_Bookworm]

so uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Mistake lost to keitaro and slamshady in RR pools and came out 3rd, in top 32 losers I think

Off his game or going secondaries? That is interesting...

The Keitaro set came out 2-1, and he uses Falco (and maybe Mii Brawler).
The SlamSHADY set came out 2-0, and he uses Ness if I am not mistaken.

 

[Lord Dio]

Off his game or going secondaries? That is interesting...

The Keitaro set came out 2-1, and he uses Falco (and maybe Mii Brawler).
The SlamSHADY set came out 2-0, and he uses Ness if I am not mistaken.

neither? someone on twitter said he was fooling around for some reason, to protest RR pools or something?

 

[The_Bookworm]

neither? someone on twitter said he was fooling around for some reason, to protest RR pools or something?

I don't know. I never seen the sets.

 

[MarioManTAW]

From his Twitter, it seems as though he was not sandbagging, although he's fasting (purposely avoiding food), so that could be causing his poor play.

 

[The-Technique]

So... this set happened.

And it didn't look like Mistake was sandbagging either

 

[The_Bookworm]

So... this set happened.

And it didn't look like Mistake was sandbagging either

He was playing sloppy throughout the set, which includes missed opportunities to easily edgeguard him like towards the end.

 

[ARGHETH]

So... this set happened.

And it didn't look like Mistake was sandbagging either

He was clearly messing around game 2. There were a bunch of different times he could have just used a smash attack to kill, but he didn't and it cost him the game.

 

[JustCallMeJon]

From his Twitter, it seems as though he was not sandbagging, although he's fasting (purposely avoiding food), so that could be causing his poor play.

Hmm, why does he fast today??

 

[Prince Koopa Jr]

He was playing worse then he usually plays, odd.

 

[Aaron1997]

Sinji 2-0 Dabuz
https://smash.gg/tournament/alpha-ii-1/events/wii-u-singles/brackets/204702

 

[J0eyboi]

So... this set happened.

And it didn't look like Mistake was sandbagging either

In what way does that not look like sandbagging? He let Keitaro live despite witch timing him at kill percents no less than 5 times, fell into Keitaro's upsmash despite having all his specials, and jumped into Nair on the right platform 3 times in a row. And that's ignoring the fact that Mistake is usually very good at calling out bad rolls, which Keitaro's neutral seems to be exclusively composed of. I'm not saying it was intentional, but if it wasn't, I'm worried about Mistake's health.

 

[The_Bookworm]

Sinji 2-0 Dabuz
https://smash.gg/tournament/alpha-ii-1/events/wii-u-singles/brackets/204702

AGAIN!?!?! Sinji brought out his own notebook and wrote everything about Dabuz in there.

Other upsets:
Gen 2-0 Dark Wizzy
Gen 2-1 6WX
Vinnie 2-0 Fatality
Glare 2-0 Ralphie

Edit: Considering the matchup, this doesn't seem like a upset. But....
Gen 3-1 Sinji

 

[Ordeaux26]

Edit: Considering the matchup, this doesn't seem like a upset. But....
Gen 3-1 Sinji

matchups isn't everything player skill matters a lot more

 

[Lord Dio]

so apparently mr e has a consistent record vs fatality
fatality finally got a win

 

[Ordeaux26]

so apparently mr e has a consistent record vs fatality
fatality finally got a win

really I didn't know that I usually have a lot of trouble against captain falcon with marth

 

[The_Bookworm]

Vinnie 3-0 Dabuz.

Dabuz needs more notes on Sheik. First VoiD, and now Vinnie. XD

 

[Lord Dio]

Fatality 3-1 sinji, prolly would've been 3-0 if he hadn't gotten snagged on the platform early that stock
He played the mu rather well imo

also vinnie 3-0 dabuz
jesus what is vinnie on today

 

[The_Bookworm]

ALPHA II (81 Entrants) (Tristate) (C Tier)

1st: Light
2nd: Fatality
3rd: Gen
4th: Vinnie
5th: Sinji
5th: Dabuz
7th: 6WX
7th: Mr. E
9th: Dark Wizzy
9th: Odyssey
9th: Glare
9th: Stocktaker69

Notable Players out Earlier:
13th: Raptor
13th: Ralphie
17th: Scot!


Fatality almost 6-0'ed him, then Light just made a sudden reverse 3-0. The commentary was very appropriate for that set. LOL

 

[ぱみゅ]

From his Twitter, it seems as though he was not sandbagging, although he's fasting (purposely avoiding food), so that could be causing his poor play.

Hmm, why does he fast today??

It's a religion thing.
I would personally avoid competitions during this period, but to each their own.

 

[Wintermelon43]

So... this set happened.

And it didn't look like Mistake was sandbagging either

tfw youtube videos don't work on mobile anymore

Can someone give me a proper link to this so I can see it?

 

[J0eyboi]

It's a religion thing.
I would personally avoid competitions during this period, but to each their own.

Gotta get those pgr points

tfw youtube videos don't work on mobile anymore

Can someone give me a proper link to this so I can see it?

https://youtu.be/eXGpMd-_ruw

 

[Ordeaux26]

5th: Dabuz

what's with Dabuz and 5th place recently

 

[Lord Dio]

what's with Dabuz and 5th place recently

cloud and sheik
one of those being a god awful mu and the other is dabuz for some reason struggling against sheiks as of late

 

[J0eyboi]

really I didn't know that I usually have a lot of trouble against captain falcon with marth

It's not because the matchup is bad, it's because Fatality plays it terribly. The frequency with which he goes for falling upair despite knowing Mr. E is jump happy saddens me. Fatality doesn't seem very good at spacing, which definitely doesn't help (to be fair, neither is Mr. E). He also rolls OoS a lot, but Falcon doesn't have many good OoS options so I guess it makes sense, though he shouldn't be shielding nearly as much as he does in the first place.

 

[Minordeth]

Accident hit post. Wheeee

So... this set happened.

And it didn't look like Mistake was sandbagging either

Nah, he was sandbagging game 2 for sure. The whole set had friendly-level play from both players, honestly. In game 1, Keitaro missed two huge opportunities when Mistake was landing, for instance.

I look forward to when Keitaro actually plays seriously, because his neutral is so idiosyncratic.

Hmm, why does he fast today??

Ramadan, fam.

It's not because the matchup is bad, it's because Fatality plays it terribly. The frequency with which he goes for falling upair despite knowing Mr. E is jump happy saddens me. Fatality doesn't seem very good at spacing, which definitely doesn't help (to be fair, neither is Mr. E). He also rolls OoS a lot, but Falcon doesn't have many good OoS options so I guess it makes sense, though he shouldn't be shielding nearly as much as he does in the first place.

Yeah, this. Falcon has to be a little more judicious when he leaves the ground, because Marcina is built out of anti-air horse. Jab and Ftilt shred predictable jump-ins with minimal effort. But Mr. E is definitely a more aggressive Marcina, so good opportunities should be in decent supply.

 

[Wintermelon43]

Gotta get those pgr points




https://youtu.be/eXGpMd-_ruw

Thanks

Yeah that was a strange set, it looked like Mistake kept not continuing a combo, not using a kill move when he could of (such as at the end of game 2 where he witch timed Keitaro while on the ground and f-aired him instead of using a smash attack), or at one point he even seemed to have fallen into lill moves (in gane 3, it looked like he fell into that up smash despite being sblr to avoid it), and there were some other times where he did some strange things. Yeah, that was probably the weirdest set I've watched.

 

[ReVerbIsSuperb]

For everyone wondering exactly how that set went down and why Larry is frustrated:

There was a problem fetching the tweet

 

[Lord Dio]

Larry Lurr 3-2 Mistake
That was wild lol

 

[MERPIS]

9th: Stocktaker69

Another big splash for villager!

 

[The_Bookworm]

Another big splash for villager!

Well it is only a C tier with only 81 entrants. Panda Bair's performance at Smash'N'Splash is the... splash....

For everyone wondering exactly how that set went down and why Larry is frustrated:

There was a problem fetching the tweet

I think Mistake "doubted" Falco too much. Many missed opportunities to edgeguard him, and him running to that fully charged back hit of up-smash.

Larry Lurr 3-2 Mistake
That was wild lol

Was about to comment on that. He is now in loser's bracket, with Larry finally defeating his demon.

This is just not Mistake's weekend, isn't it.

 

[MERPIS]

Well it is only a C tier with only 81 entrants. Panda Bair's performance at Smash'N'Splash is the... splash....

HEY HEY HEY, anything villager does nowadays is big, the character went down the wormhole of obscurity after Ranai quit smash and started playing pokken despite that being a tree bearing no fruit.
At this point I'm just fetching for ham scraps here.

 

[Prince Koopa Jr]

Its been hard for villager players as of late.

 

[MERPIS]

Its been hard for villager players as of late.

Its been that way since late 2017 or maybe even earlier.

 

[J0eyboi]

HEY HEY HEY, anything villager does nowadays is big, the character went down the wormhole of obscurity after Ranai quit smash and started playing pokken despite that being a tree bearing no fruit.
At this point I'm just fetching for ham scraps here.

Ranai plays Splatoon, not Pokken.

 

[MERPIS]

Ranai plays Splatoon, not Pokken.

Even worse

 

[The_Bookworm]

Samsora 3-2 Tweek

The fact that Samsora Rosa-rage janked Tweek on game one definitely helped him in the end.


Larry Lurr 3-0 Captain L

On game two, Captain L tried to use repeat the same puffy success against Larry. It ended very badly for L: two stocked and only about 60% on Larry. XD


Edit:
Tweek 3-1 Marss

Simply a clean victory for Tweek.


Mistake 3-0 Captain L

Another game two Puff attempt. Ended in even more depressing failure.


Samsora 3-1 Larry Lurr

Second PGR'ed grand finals Samsora has reached. Can he win his second PGR win, even if it is a C tier like the first time?


Tweek 3-1 Mistake

Not big surprise.


Tweek 3-0 Larry Lurr


Samsora 3-1 Tweek

Tweek tried out the DK on game 4. Didn't end too well. Anyways, congrats to Samsora!

 

[ismaaa]

could samsora be a contender for a spot in the top 15-10 for the next pgr? He had a lot of good wins and placements this season