Official 4BR Tier List v2.0 - Competitive Impressions

[jet56]

I feel like people forget stroder exists. He beat Falln less than a week ago and got 5th at gambit: Falln with greninja. He will also be attending MM saga under the tag strozai (which ironically means existence in Japanese, as people seem to forget he exists lol)

 

[Aaron1997]

http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv287957074?middle=1

Dabuz vs Shuton

EDIT: Shuton > Dabuz 2-1

 

[Das Koopa]

Shuton 2-1 Dabuz

all three games were very close

Abadango 2-1 Hiro
Ranai 2-1 Ikep
Mr. R 2-0 KEN

 

[sleepy_Nex]

Nice one from Mr. R

 

[TDK]

http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/18662563/phoenix1-gets-smash-signs-gavin-tweek-dempsey

Tweek finally picks up a sponsor.

 

[ARISTOS]

ESAM 2-0 Kameme

 

[Das Koopa]

kameme really is falling off hard

letting ESAM go to Lylat G1 is probably the worst decision a player has made so far this year

 

[TDK]

ESAM's Lylat Cancels (Platform Cancelling off the main part of Lylat) Were amazing.

I'm not sure if it's Kameme falling off, he was never as good as we thought, or people Knowing Mega Man but he's really struggling.

 

[Fenny]

Kameme must have felt Sakurai's gaze and dropped his footstool kill confirms on purpose

I imagine that's the same reason all the Bayos sandbagged hardcore this tourney

THEY PLAY THE LONG GAME

 

[Wingdings]

I don't think Kameme is falling off and I don't know if Kameme was just people not knowing the matchup because he's always done well vs players who are used to him and therefore know the matchup. Megaman is a constant struggle anyway, since his reward is very hard to tap into. At peak level, players are at a very close skill level so outplaying someone as hard as you have to as Megaman is not exactly realistic. Just my two cents on the subject, I might just be talking nonsense.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Shuton 2-1 Dabuz

all three games were very close

Abadango 2-1 Hiro
Ranai 2-1 Ikep
Mr. R 2-0 KEN

Bayonetta is really swingy, she can do stuff like this sometimes or just not really clinch a game.

 

[Das Koopa]

Ally 2-0 9B
ESAM 2-0 Kameme
Dabuz 2-0 Hiro (13th)
KEN 2-0 Ikep (13th)

 

[irokex13]

It might just be me, but isn't it a tad odd to say "X player is falling off" when they're STILL IN THE TOURNAMENT!?

 

[420quickscoper]

It might just be me, but isn't it a tad odd to say "X player is falling off" when they're STILL IN THE TOURNAMENT!?

Well, considering Tsu~ just beat Kameme 2-0 in losers, I don't really know about that... didn't even win a single game in tourney.

 

[TDK]

Kameme failed to take a game the entire tournament.

 

[Das Koopa]

9B 2-0 Kare~ (13th)
Tsu- 2-0 Kameme (13th)
Ranai 2-1 Mr. R
Abadango 2-1 Shuton
9B 2-1 Shuton (9th)
Nairo 2-0 Ally

 

[ARISTOS]

Nairo trying to get that second round of ZSS nerfs

 

[Das Koopa]

Tsu- 2-1 Mr. R (9th)

 

[Nobie]

It might not be a good idea to bring out the pocket Cloud against a guy whose practice partner/teammate is Komorikiri.

 

[TDK]

ESAM please

Kirihara 2-1 ESAM

His Mewtwo got a game and had the stock lead and then Kiri brought it all the way back.

 

[Wingdings]

Lucario johns.

 

[SaltyKracka]

Is it really johns if he competently analyzes what lost him the game?

 

[Wingdings]

Nah, it's not really johns. But people do feel this massive need to validate their loss to that character in particular with an explanation and making sure to highlight both characters percentages.

 

[TDK]

Dabuz 2-1 Ally

Ally and Mr. R out at 9th

KEN 2-0 esam

 

[Das Koopa]

KEN 2-0 ESAM (9th)
Abadango 2-1 Ranai
Nairo 2-1 Kirihara
KEN 2-0 Dabuz (7th)

 

[Wingdings]

Ken 2-0 Dabuz

 

[TDK]

In this game, Bayonetta's killing problem should be extremely apparent to those watching. 9B got him to 100+ Easily then all he could do was fish for Bairs as Tsu- slowly got more and more dangerous. While 9B did eventually land the killing Bair, it was at 194%.

EDIT: Tsu- 2-1 9B

9B spent a majority of both games fishing for bairs and running for his life vs Lucario. He got 1 Witch time, 0 Ladders, and 0 Edgeguards the entire set.

 

[T4ylor]

TDK I actually heard that Dabuz took out Ally with Olimar, that not true?

 

[TDK]

TDK I actually heard that Dabuz took out Ally with Olimar, that not true?

No idea, I didn't see the set, just the bracket. Sorry!

 

[Das Koopa]

KEN four stocked Ranai

 

[nannerham]

tsu> kirihara 2-0

 

[L9999]

Offtopic and might been banned since I leaved, but I just played in local with the "proposed ruleset." HORRIBLE. Literally every single game I had was in Trashville. For some reason people didn't want to play my Ness in FD and since I didn't want to be a moving piñata I banned Battlefield. No one ever bothered to counterpick me (Duck Hunt is gone, DL/BF are one and I banned it, Town and City I guess everyone including myself forgot existed, and Omegas are tied with FD which they always ban). I mean, I like Smashville because it one of Ness' best stages, but I really missed BSing people in Lylat (which I bother practicing) or getting T&C game one, I don't know, anything that doesn't get dull really fast.

Lucario johns.

Lucario gets away with really nasty rage nonsense, I think it is justified.

KEN 2-0 Freesam

I know ESAM is inconsistent but there is no need to call him "Freesam." He got 9th which by the entrant numbers is quite good.

EDIT: Thought it was a major. Still beat good players to get 9th.

 

[ARGHETH]

And Nairo wins over KEN in grands set 2!

 

[TDK]

Tokaigi Cup (16 Entrants) (Japan)

1st: Nairo
2nd: KEN
3rd: Abadango
4th: Tsu-
5th: Ranai
5th: Kirihara
7th: Dabuz (Maybe )
7th: 9B
9th: ESAM
9th: Ally
9th: Shuton
9th: Mr. R
13th: Ikep
13th: Hiro
13th: Kare~
13th: Kameme

not sure how you want to count this, Koopa, since it's 16 people, but has 6 members of the top 15 (4 of which are in the top 10), #47, and every other player there, especially 9B and Shuton, are also extremely skilled.

 

[Das Koopa]

it's considered Category 4 for the player ranking and I'll probably just list it as "category 1" for the character-side of the database

FYI: Dabuz apparently beat Ally with Olimar

 

[ぱみゅ]

Is it a japanese standard to lose on Round 1 or 2 and then make it all the way back through losers?
Both Ken and Tsu did lose R1, destroyed the bracket until they met at LSF and then Ken still managed to almost win the whole thing.
I love the Japanese Meta.

 

[TheGoodGuava]

Looks like the witch hunt is over, people are just burning them now lmao

For real though, the more I watch her, and the more I play her personally, the more I realize Bayonetta does have an actual killing problem. It's not even like Sheik where there's a huge misconception that she has killing problems, Bayonetta has almost no safe confirms and relies on WT/bair for most of her stocks.

 

[Fenny]

Looks like the witch hunt is over, people are just burning them now lmao

For real though, the more I watch her, and the more I play her personally, the more I realize Bayonetta does have an actual killing problem. It's not even like Sheik where there's a huge misconception that she has killing problems, Bayonetta has almost no safe confirms and relies on WT/bair for most of her stocks.

to be fair, he really shouldn't have been

Eventually he could have started mixing up his Bair fishes with dABK confirms, which start to give kill setups after 100%. She definitely has a hard time killing easily, but 9B was making it harder than was necessary.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Is it a japanese standard to lose on Round 1 or 2 and then make it all the way back through losers?

It actually is, kinda. Calling it 'standard' might be an exaggeration but massive loser bracket runs definitely happen at japanese tournaments quite a bit.

 

[HoSmash4]

Massive losers runs happen in America a lot as well. Look at Losers zero, losers Larry, losers esam etc.