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Hmmm I dont know; he's got pretty decent mobility from what I've experienced. Has great but complicated combos and a supply of kill moves that can be landed through certain comfirms. I wouldn't say he's bad by any means. Just complicated
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Yea wait until he gets about 80% of rage or higher then moves like nair, dair, bair all become very safe on shield. His hitboxes increase in size, do more damage/knockback, Aura Sphere just gets absurd. He also gains true block strings like nair to grab and dair to side B.
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states my views bluntly. Lucario is awesome. 
blackghost
I'll give you the aura thing; if players can capitalize with killing early then it takes away a major strength, but that doesn't happen easily and it's probably not going to. I play a fair bit of Lucario and he's ridiculously fun, complex, scary, versatile, useful, tactile, powerful, agile, and more. You really are undermining his grab game; he has the best pummel and respectable throws. Being used to playing Marcina where I get 4 damage per throw + 2 for every pummel, getting like 6 or so percent off a throw and about 8 from pummels is really amazing
As far as I know, his hitboxes do not increase in size. (from using him)
I was talking about his specials. However, I'm not sure about his normals; some clarification on that would be nice
The only hitboxes lucario has that grow larger the more damage he takes are his side B hitbox and Aura Sphere. His recovery becomes a lot faster but the hitbox at the end stays the same size. All the rest of his moves remain the same.
's neutral be considered bad when she has that crazy frame 3 Utilt?! In addition to frame 1 jab, flip, incredible mobility...
1. serving that function just fine doesnt mean the character is overlooked. these normals are just meh.
Dthrow combos at very low percents, Uthrow combos at higher percents.
If you think Lucario is middle of the line, that's fine. That's your thing and I won't insist you believe otherwise. But know that you're most likely a minority in this case.
his up throw combos into u-air with a wide percent window on most of the cast.
Just for reference, only Wario and Bowser (grounded) have faster command grabs, at frame 8.
so basically the characters with the fastest command grabs (frame 8) have an extra frame faster than lucario's
What am I even reading? You just literally proved that you know absolutely nothing about the character, "does he have an actual combo throw?" Why are you making judgments on a character if you don't even know if they have a combo throw? To answer your question yes he has a fantastic combo throw which is uthrow, it sending you and 88 degree makes reading DI a non-issue and he can get all kinds off combos and strings off of it, and uthrow-> uair is a kill confirm that works both with and without aura. "Absurd camping pressure? That's his aura creating pressure." Well no duh, I don't care how much you want to avoid it aura will always be a factor in any MU you go into, even if you end his stock early he has a mechanic where its even easier to get aura (its called anubis)
I love how your spewing out different moves that have different uses on their respective characters, are you really comparing shadow ball to aura sphere, can shadow ball's charge be used as a way to limit ledge options that can lead to combos and the loss of the opponents stock, no. Can shadow ball's charge lead to free pressure on the opponents shield that can make the threat of shield breaking that much more dangerous, no. Can shadow ball 2 frame opponents, no. Shadow ball and Aura sphere serve different roles and functions to their respective character and you should stop comparing 2 completely different moves. And if you think frame 9 is slow for a command grab then I don't know what to tell you lol, frame 9 is faster than a majority of character's dash grabs and the only command grabs that are faster than lucario's are bowser's and wario's which are only 1 frame faster, his command grab can kill even earlier bowser's and he has true setups into it.
Your words not mine. Before you say another word about lucario go out, do some research, ask his mains what he can do, I don't care that you don't think he's overlooked just stop lowballing him and making it sound like the only thing he has going him is "lol aura" when that clearly isn't the case.
Excellent point here, Bayo's weaknesses are actually well telegraphed.
We've come far as a Party Game Community
While your first statement is true, that's not quite what I was saying.
That's actually very true, she has weaknesses but they aren't so glaring that it bogs her down as much as the rest of the cast and those weaknesses can be worked around. It's probably why she's such a good character.
Nerfing Witch Twist or ABK would be like Nerfing Banana to no longer make people trip, or removing Bouncing Fish's kill power, or making Limit charge twice as slow and limit moves much worse. You can't nerf Witch Twist and ABK without completely gutting the character.
Up throw is actually better in every single situation: better angle, down throw takes longer to act out of, and kind of DI away ruins follow ups off of it, and you can get more combos and strings off of up throw but that's a common misconception.
I just meant to nerf ONE or the OTHER not BOTH. I agree that nerfing both of them would gut the character but both of them combined make her too much. If you did something simple like increase the landing lag on D-ABK or remove witch twists invulnerability to make it gimpable she'd be a touch more balanced character (again though only one or the other not BOTH that's going to far)
-Grounded Witch Twist's initial hitboxes with an amplified SDI multiplier, or just different knockback altogether, so that breaking out of the ladder before it starts because Bayonetta dashed in and 4f UpBd is feasible, and in turn encourages a risk factor for Bayonetta to get her ladders going.
That actually makes more sense than my idea. Compromise is fun! Additionally just playing carefully against bayonetta currently is not enough with her ridiculously easy combo conversions, playing carefully is all well and good but if bayonetta can net 60% off a single conversion and kill you with the second you have almost no room for error. To beat you a bayo player only has to play well, to beat a bayo player you have to play nearly perfectly!
