Smash 3DS 3DS Japanese Release Build Demo Event Day II (Keep questions for AMA after event) [TY Zipzo's Wife]

[Shirma Akayaku]

That is the naked meta knight... It was said to be a Kirby alt. It was in Nintendo dream 1-2 weeks ago iirc

Here's the palette swap from the Wii U version. I think this was in a batch of screenshots Nintendo released a while back.

Also, since the blast zones are so large, it favors lighter characters, probably. Are we sure that it's large blast zones, or that characters slow down quickly while being launched? Deceleration?

 

[Cap'nChreest]

I'm also a wee bit curious as to whether Diddy's banana nerf was done for balancing purposes or to be less taxing on the 3DS system, same could be asked for Olimar's pikmin change but they seem to be playing that off for balancing reasons, from what I can tell

If the 3ds can handle Giga Bowser, it can handle an extra banana.

 

[KVLTofMetal]

DO WE HAVE A PAC DEVIL ALT?

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

Looking back at the info we received here, it really does look like this game is trying to be a balanced between brawl and melee.

It has a lot of mechanics melee fans will enjoy like no magnetic ledges. While also having mechanics brawl fans will enjoy like the floaty physics. It also tries to reduce quite a bit of stalling methods which I think a lot of people will appreciate.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

With black and red Charizard confirmed, hopefully we may see Yellow (Shiny) Lucario as an alt. too

There is no yellow lucario. There is green, purple, dark gray, and the rest are shades of blue.

Robin moveset dump incoming, along with observation of how Marth "feels".

 

[hotdogturtle]

They actually made 8 Wireframe Mac colors? Wtf.

This does mean that he either has 7 normal colors + the 1 sweatshirt alt, or 4 normal colors + 4 sweatshirt alts, either of which is probably what we would have expected anyway. But in either case, the fact that they went and added 8 wireframe colors on top of that is crazy.

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

Here's the palette swap from the Wii U version. I think this was in a batch of screenshots Nintendo released a while back.

Also, since the blast zones are so large, it favors lighter characters, probably. Are we sure that it's large blast zones, or that characters slow down quickly while being launched? Deceleration?

When I was at smash fest it was large blast zones.

 

[Silvera]

DO WE HAVE A PAC DEVIL ALT?

What I want to know is if there's a Ms. Pac-Man alt.

 

[Enigma14]

Thanks for the info Zipzo!

I was in a similar position during the Best Buy events with delivering info, so I hope you've been eating and drinking between rounds.

If anyone has any info on that Pink Earthbound stage or how many uses Robin's weapons each have, thats all I really wanna know.

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

I remember us discussing how the blast zones benefit the heavy weights because they can take more punishment. Certai.ly helps some of the characters.

I'm worried that matches are going to drag on longer than they should because of it though.

 

[Flaxr XIII]

If the 3ds can handle Giga Bowser, it can handle an extra banana.

If it can't handle Ice Climbers, 4 bananas might be pushing it too far as opposed to one giant Bowser.

 

[KingLucasx]

Haven't checked any news of smash in weeks...Curious on peach and Lucina FS lol.

 

[FalKoopa]

They actually made 8 Wireframe Mac colors? Wtf.

This does mean that he either has 7 normal colors + the 1 sweatshirt alt, or 4 normal colors + 4 sweatshirt alts, either of which is probably what we would have expected anyway. But in either case, the fact that they went and added 8 wireframe colors on top of that is crazy.

Should we expect a sweatshirt wireframe?

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

If the 3ds can handle Giga Bowser, it can handle an extra banana.

Ah, but if you remember sdcc, it couldn't handle giga bowser

 

[Shirma Akayaku]

If the 3ds can handle Giga Bowser, it can handle an extra banana.

It definitely can handle another banana.

I'm also a wee bit curious as to whether Diddy's banana nerf was done for balancing purposes or to be less taxing on the 3DS system, same could be asked for Olimar's pikmin change but they seem to be playing that off for balancing reasons, from what I can tell

It was probably because random tripping is out, and that element probably influenced their decision on one banana over two. That really means less approach options for Diddy Kong.

 

[Demon-oni]

I'm worried that matches are going to drag on longer than they should because of it though.

By character to stage size ratio melee had larger blast zones than brawl. It's not really how far the blast zones are, it's how far someone is sent relative to their percent.

 

[SnuggleBubbler]

This Pac talk reminds me how IMMENSELY disappointing it is that Pac-Man is getting the Brawl Sonic treatment as far as alt colors go.

No Battle Royal Colors?
No Pac-Man 2 alt?
No Ms. Pac-Man? (lol)

Really though, they could've done so much but if he's just yellow with different boots that's really lame. I wouldn't have even minded a Ghostly Adventures alt (if only for how amazing it would be to troll people with a toothed Pac-Man).

 

[Cap'nChreest]

If it can't handle Ice Climbers, 4 bananas might be pushing it too far as opposed to one giant Bowser.

I don't think items are really comparable to something as complicated at having 4 player characters and 4 AI at the same time.

Diddy nerf was necessary but sad.

The banana disappearing with another ones spawn will be excellent for item control though. If that's how it really works.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

I'm worried that matches are going to drag on longer than they should because of it though.

At the same time, ledges aren't magnetic anymore. That means they could still, in theory, not make it back to the ledge. I think some more testing would need to be done before coming up with a final conclusion, but all of it is certainly interesting.

 

[Strawhat09]

there no more magnetic ledge anymore? Im sure i saw it in the video with falcon...Dont lie to me man.

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

I'm worried that matches are going to drag on longer than they should because of it though.

I for one am not a fan of two stocks down in 30 seconds. I like longer matches.

Besides, gravity is still a thing, though the new ledge mechanics will certainly change edgeguarding approaches.

 

[Sapphire Dragon]

Haven't checked any news of smash in weeks...Curious on peach and Lucina FS lol.

Not sure about Peach, but unfortunately Lucina isn't in this demo. So we won't get to know until after the Japan release.

 

[Mythra]

There is no yellow lucario. There is green, purple, dark gray, and the rest are shades of blue.

Robin moveset dump incoming, along with observation of how Marth "feels".

Oh well, the Dream of Shiny alts for all Pokémon is gone; but its nice to see Purple and Dark Gray alts tho. Thanks for the reply and all this info!

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

Not sure about Peach, but unfortunately Lucina isn't in this demo. So we won't get to know until after the Japan release.

I think we saw in the trailer that Peach's appears to be unchanged.

 

[x-Ace-x]

Thank you for all the info and videos

 

[Shirma Akayaku]

At the same time, ledges aren't magnetic anymore. That means they could still, in theory, not make it back to the ledge. I think some more testing would need to be done before coming up with a final conclusion, but all of it is certainly interesting.

I'm curious as if this affects Peach's Parasol when open or closed while face away from the ledge. In Melee you fell to your doom facing the wrong way.

 

[Reila]

If it can't handle Ice Climbers, 4 bananas might be pushing it too far as opposed to one giant Bowser.

Are you really comparing Ice Climbers to Diddy's bananas?

I mean, really?

 

[Flaxr XIII]

I don't think items are really comparable to something as complicated at having 4 player characters and 4 AI at the same time.

Diddy nerf was necessary but sad.

The banana disappearing with another ones spawn will be excellent for item control though. If that's how it really works.

Yeah I suppose that's true. One banana is still too many bananas because I absolutely hate that move.

By the way I've been staring at your sig for like 5 minutes now.

Are you really comparing Ice Climbers to Diddy's bananas?

I mean, really?

Yes. *grumble grumble*

 

[Shaya]

I would assume any information we obtain here won't really have any implications on technical problems/issues.

Hence, I'd say it's not really a valid topic point.

 

[RIDLEY is too SMALL]

It definitely seems like the early metagame of Smash 4 will be based very heavily around spacing and zoning, stage positioning/control, and reading and punishing rolls.

 

[JForseti]

They actually made 8 Wireframe Mac colors? Wtf.

This does mean that he either has 7 normal colors + the 1 sweatshirt alt, or 4 normal colors + 4 sweatshirt alts, either of which is probably what we would have expected anyway. But in either case, the fact that they went and added 8 wireframe colors on top of that is crazy.

I was wondering about this actually, and if the sweatshirt alt is not currently available in the playable version, does that mean there are more other alts that have not been unlocked yet or something?

 

[Psychoace]

Is it easier or more difficult to land knee now? Any noticeable changes to the captain at all? Black falcon pls? Dont think i could handle another brawl falcon ;-;

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Loads of missed opportunities it seems (Alt colors, I mean). But can't wait to read Robin and how he plays.

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

The Diddy Kong banana thing isn't much of a nerf. Being unable to juggle two of them kinda sucks, but on the other hand, your opponent now has pretty much no ability to use them against you since you just down special as soon as someone grabs one to make it disappear out of their hands. So Diddy is losing some of his ability to control a lot, but he has tighter control over what he still has. IMO the general mechanical change (at least it was this way based on E3 demo reports) of glide tossing being gone hurts Diddy more than this change. Diddy's core design is pretty strong though; I imagine he'll be fine.

Pac-Man sounds kinda like G&W to me? Kinda slow and floaty with very beefy hitboxes and notably good aerials is a not so terrible description of my favorite flat man. Unlike the rest of you, I really want my characters to be very top tier and very strong so my brain is telling me to be apprehensive about Pac-Man but my heart turtle says to go for it!

Really all of this info is very interesting; I probably won't be awake for the AMA, but I'll be studying all of this in great detail. So far it really sounds like the demo build the rest of us played wasn't horribly unrepresenative of the final product, and to me, that's a great sign. Thanks a lot Zipzo for gathering this info; it sounds like you're getting in a lot of playtime and also doing the work to let people know as much as you can, and I know from my Best Buy experience that it really is a lot of work you're doing.

 

[Neo Zero]

I was wondering about this actually, and if the sweatshirt alt is not currently available in the playable version, does that mean there are more other alts that have not been unlocked yet or something?

Iirc, it was said that the sweatshirt would be on both Flesh and Wire Mac. I forget if that was posted elsewhere or if Zipzo clarified it though.

 

[Noiblade]

Hnnng, i'm really glad that they lowered the landing lag on some moves, I was worried for a bit.

RIP Falcon Knee

 

[Shirma Akayaku]

I think we saw in the trailer that Peach's appears to be unchanged.

It pretty much is...

Also:

So i just found out that supposedly the rainbow up-air is destroying everyone (like multiple K.O's at once) and it might get a nerf for the end game

So Peach has probably been buffed. I would assume the change to her up air is so we don't see up her dress, but it's probably due to the dress' animation.

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

Hnnng, i'm really glad that they lowered the landing lag on some moves, I was worried for a bit.

RIP Falcon Knee

Just use it for the kill?

 

[continuityOfficer]

I really hope one of Shulks alts is white and gold, i mean, its a common alt colour set and its a reference if you get through the game

 

[Wraeith]

I'm slightly concerned Shulk might out-class other sword-wielders after all I've heard and seen of him, very eager to hear of more of Robin and Marth. Smash 4 Ken combos would be sick, shame about no double forward air though.

Thanks for reporting, Zipzo.