3.5 Update speculation thread: Please ground your expectations to contain HYPE

[CORY]

no, he's pretty low tier in pm. power, damage, and decent non-disjointed range aren't what wins in the current meta. that would be safe options in neutral and ability to not overcommit (which actually ties into safe neutral options) are far more important and are things he lacks.

 

[PlateProp]

no, he's pretty low tier in pm. power, damage, and decent non-disjointed range aren't what wins in the current meta. that would be safe options in neutral and ability to not overcommit (which actually ties into safe neutral options) are far more important and are things he lacks.

Clearly you've never played a good Ganon

Or watched Bidooof

 

[Pwnz0rz Man]

I thought Knuckles being in was common knowledge at this point.

As excited as I would be for Knux to be in the game, I still feel like that's a joke.

 

[Warzenschwein]

Something like Knuckles shouldn't even be considered in the first place. There are more deserving Nintendo characters that could be clones / semi-clones as well.

Not saying his playstyle wouldn't be fun or anything, the character himself would just be a poor choice compared to others.

 

[Binary Clone]

Clearly you've never played a good Ganon

Or watched Bidooof

That's not even a real argument. aMSa is a great Yoshi but Yoshi's still low tier in Melee.

 

[Cpt.]

This is a horrible uninformed conclusion

Ganon is a ****ing beast in PM

He needs better approach options. He gets wrecked by Mario's pills, Diddy's nanas, and pretty much any other decent projectile.

 

[CORY]

Clearly you've never played a good Ganon

Or watched Bidooof

i've watched several great ganons. i've seen vex cliimb up through brackets and get stomped out at top 8 because ganon loses neutral super hard. denti plays an amazing pocket ganon, but never in tourney (outside of the mirror) because he's so limited.

he loses really hard to any sort of patient camping from a faster and/or projectiled character, especially once the stock lead is lost, forcing him to approach with heavy commitments. he's not terrible, but he's not a face wrecker, either. this is probably the best ganon's ever been, but being better than previous iterations of the character doesn't matter if the characters around him have changed.

he really doesn't need a huge overhaul, either, nor does he need to be turned into a top tier character. the changes i got to play with about a half year back looked like pmdt knew what was holding ganon down and that they had a good plan to work with. in 3.5 ganon just might be almost exactly where you'd want most of the characters (sitting in mid, with a low separation between the top and bottom tiers).

 

[Rᴏb]

So why is it not out yet?

 

[shairn]

Clearly you've never played a good Ganon

Or watched Bidooof

We all love Doof but there's a reason he doesn't seriously pick Ganon in bracket ever.

 

[robosteven]

He needs better approach options. He gets wrecked by Mario's pills, Diddy's nanas, and pretty much any other decent projectile.

...or maybe the problem is the projectiles because they wreck other characters too, not just Ganon?

 

[KeithTheGeek]

...or maybe the problem is the projectiles because they wreck other characters too, not just Ganon?

I like how Mario's does a solid 8% and stuns you just long enough for you to take a second pill to the face and a smash attack that does another 16-18% on top of that. Dude's damage potential matches Ganon's.

Ganon is one of my favorites but he really does get shut out pretty easily. Doesn't really matter how beefy your hits are if you can't get in.

 

[shairn]

Let's not forget Link's boomerang to f-smash both hits
Blink once and you're up 45%

 

[robosteven]

Was there anything wrong with 2.6 Mario's fireballs and Link's boomerang?

Aside from the weird animation for Link's boomerang throw of course.

 

[Strong Badam]

Was there anything wrong with 2.6 Mario's fireballs and Link's boomerang?

Aside from the weird animation for Link's boomerang throw of course.

Fireballs did not change from 2.6 to 3.0, and the link boomerang is unchanged since 2.6b (2.6b changed the anim from 2.6).

 

[batistabus]

I'm hoping they take the Smash 4 route and get rid of gliding and most tether recoveries.

 

[MLGF]

Fireballs did not change from 2.6 to 3.0, and the link boomerang is unchanged since 2.6b (2.6b changed the anim from 2.6).

Didn't 2.6 have hitstun decay on fireballs IIRC?
If not, 2.5 certainly did. Would it be rude to ask why the change was made?

 

[red9rd]

The same nonsense crap i have been posting in speculation threads since pre 3.0 (yes I know some of this stuff has been added, but I didn't want to edit my old speculation post,)

-Lucas Osohe dance Taunt/ victory pose
-Lucas pulling needle out of the ground Taunt
-Olimar carried by Pikmin Taunt/ victory pose
-Mario Mario64 crawl
-1 to 5/6 player .VS
-old items from past Smash games
-old Pokemon from past Smash games
-choice to pick between the classic version of a stage and and the Project M version
-The ability to have story mode enemy's to appear in vs mode (like how it was in Melee.)
-more options for stamina mode
- Gannon with mullet
-online Project M servers with more options and modes
-cross play between Wii/WiiU and PC
-recreation of the first Melee Adventure stage