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"10 items or less" -- grammar misusage drives me up the wall!

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After going grocery shopping last night, I actually looked at that sign that you always see in the express checkout. Considering I just use the self-serve checkout (UScan, or whatever it's called), I never really paid attention to it until last night.

After reading the sign that said "10 items or less", I couldn't help but shake my head in disgust. Aside from the obvious sentence fragment which I can give some grace toward:

- You don't start a sentence with a number.
- It's FEWER, not less. Less is used when you are comparing a quantity that cannot be explicity quantified or measured. Fewer is used when comparing objects that can be discretely counted or quantified.

So the sign should have been (while keeping it as a fragment):

"Ten items or fewer"

After this little annoyance, I started to dwell on other common word misusage that I hear almost every single day.

Lie vs. Lay

Oh god. Next to affect and effect, probably THE worst offender out there.

Lie is an intransitive verb, meaning there is no direct object involved. It means "to recline".

lie - present tense
lay - past tense
have lain - past participle
lying - present participle (gerund form)

Lay is a transitive verb, meaning there *is* a direct object. It is defined as "to put or to place".

lay - present tense
laid - past tense
have laid - past participle
laying - present participle (gerund form)

Stop confusing the present tense of lay with the past tense of lie! You do not tell your dog "Fido, lay down!" They are not interchangable verbs!


Affect vs. Effect

Affect is almost always used as a *verb* meaning "to influence". It can be sometimes used as a noun relating to the display of emotion.

Effect is almost always used as a *noun* meaning "a result". Sometimes though, it can be a verb meaning "to bring about", such as "The government effected many positive changes." To bring about and to influence are not the same and are not interchangable!

If you have any other grammar misusage in the English languauge that makes you go insane, share it here. Lie/lay and affect/effect are the two biggest for me (especially lie/lay), but others aren't too far behind.
 

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But. . . I don't think that was meant to be a sentence, just something that is easy to read for all of our mentally challenged American brethren to read. I mean, face it, Americans aren't the smartest cookies in the jar. So don't go Grammar Nazi on the poor sign, he's just trying to make a living. >.<'

Now the Lie/Lay and Affect/Effect just shows how lazy we are, or how bad of a job our English teachers did. But, you can't really let it bug you, even if you teach everyone the right grammar now chances are, only 2% will remember it.(Probably less)

But thank you for bringing a great point up. ^^
 

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English is an awful language when you get down to it. Almost every rule in it has several exceptions, the grammar and syntax is totally non-intuitive, and it's a phonetic nightmare.
 

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English is an awful language when you get down to it. Almost every rule in it has several exceptions, the grammar and syntax is totally non-intuitive, and it's a phonetic nightmare.
I completely agree that English is probably one of the most unintuitive languages out there.

Speaking of exceptions:

i before e, except after c,
or when sounded like a
as in neighbor or weigh
as well as all the other exceptions, such as leisure and seizure.
 

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A professor of mine went on a mini-rant last week about punctuation and quotations.

The right way to do it is to place the punctuation mark inside the quotation marks, even if the quote didn't originally have any punctuation.

So this is correct:

"blah blah blah."

"blah blah blah,"

"blah blah blah?"
and this isn't:

"blah blah blah".

"blah blah blah",

"blah blah blah"?
It makes more sense to me to put it on the outside, and apparently that's how the British do it.
 

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I see "you're" and "your" messed up all the time. Only the really obvious grammar mistakes bother me.
 

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As far as grammer nazism goez, this takes the kake.
Leave the poor sine alone!

It's like seeing "drive-thru" on signs. When compared to "drive-through," the bad grammar seems a lot more eco-friendly on the ink!
 

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I admit I'm a offender.
Thanks for clarifying the affect/effect.
The lay and lie one is :urg:

What about 'alot' not being a word. :p
 

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I don't hate grammar misusage so much as I hate the rules themselves, like the rules on numbers being spelled out or left in numerals (I have a science background, and sometimes I want to put all numbers in numerals).

I also don't like using the word "should."

And the Harvard comma still confuses me.

Yes, I was ESL.

After going grocery shopping last night, I actually looked at that sign that you always see in the express checkout. Considering I just use the self-serve checkout (UScan, or whatever it's called), I never really paid attention to it until last night.

After reading the sign that said "10 items or less", I couldn't help but shake my head in disgust.
Do you freak out when you see a Dunkin' Donuts? I only recently found out that the actual word is "doughnut." It blew my mind.

I shop at "ethnic" markets. I've seen things that would not drive you up a wall; they would drive you through it, down a flight of stairs, and into another wall.

"Parents watching children all the time"

"No skateboard allowed"

"Hair Saloon"

"VIP Bootique"

"We thank you for all your supports."

"Thanks you all."

"All your base are belong to us."

But me personally? I <3 Engrish.
http://engrishfunny.com/
 

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- You don't start a sentence with a number.
This was the oddest part of your little rant. The only thing I can think you mean is to not start a sentence with numerals, as it seems perfectly fine to start a sentence with a number. Even so it seems silly.

There are some grammar/word usage rules in English that are followed, but just as many, if not more, are disregarded almost entirely. For example, there is a difference between 'farther' and 'further'; one applies to distance, the other applies to extent. I don't remember which is which, and frankly I don't really care.

I enjoy the English language because of its flexibility. Even if 90% or more of the population misuses a good chunk of confusable words, the fact that they can be understood is rather impressive. If you're an English major or something then I can understand your position.

So, be a grammar nazi if you want; I'll generally be content as a part of the blissfully ignorant masses that will continue to misuse words, since it will very rarely affect me, especially on internet forums, where trying to enforce a standard of grammar will invariably fail.
 

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Link to original post: [drupal=3324]"10 items or less" -- grammar misusage drives me up the wall![/drupal]



After going grocery shopping last night, I actually looked at that sign that you always see in the express checkout. Considering I just use the self-serve checkout (UScan, or whatever it's called), I never really paid attention to it until last night.

After reading the sign that said "10 items or less", I couldn't help but shake my head in disgust. Aside from the obvious sentence fragment which I can give some grace toward:

- You don't start a sentence with a number.
- It's FEWER, not less. Less is used when you are comparing a quantity that cannot be explicity quantified or measured. Fewer is used when comparing objects that can be discretely counted or quantified.

So the sign should have been (while keeping it as a fragment):

"Ten items or fewer"

After this little annoyance, I started to dwell on other common word misusage that I hear almost every single day.

Lie vs. Lay

Oh god. Next to affect and effect, probably THE worst offender out there.

Lie is an intransitive verb, meaning there is no direct object involved. It means "to recline".

lie - present tense
lay - past tense
have lain - past participle
lying - present participle (gerund form)

Lay is a transitive verb, meaning there *is* a direct object. It is defined as "to put or to place".

lay - present tense
laid - past tense
have laid - past participle
laying - present participle (gerund form)

Stop confusing the present tense of lay with the past tense of lie! You do not tell your dog "Fido, lay down!" They are not interchangable verbs!


Affect vs. Effect

Affect is almost always used as a *verb* meaning "to influence". It can be sometimes used as a noun relating to the display of emotion.

Effect is almost always used as a *noun* meaning "a result". Sometimes though, it can be a verb meaning "to bring about", such as "The government effected many positive changes." To bring about and to influence are not the same and are not interchangable!

If you have any other grammar misusage in the English languauge that makes you go insane, share it here. Lie/lay and affect/effect are the two biggest for me (especially lie/lay), but others aren't too far behind.
Eh-Hem... This: http://wimp.com/grammarlesson/ Is The Video For U... XD
 

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Really language is a tool, and grocery stores and such places tend to make it easier for those who either have a hard time reading, aren't very literate, don't speak or read English as a first language, or are immigrants/tourists from countries where English is not the native tongue. While most Americans or English speaking people may not be able to notice several grammar errors, at least they can understand it, and can construct sentence.

Take the following sentence: I took my dog Glenn on a walk. If most people's grammar was REALLY as bad as you say it is, the sentence would look like this: my Glenn dog on I took a walk.

Also English is too complex for it's own good. Take for instance, donut; it was spelled doughnut, yet it is acceptable to spell it donut, and it might actually be a proper way of spelling it in the dictionary in the future if it isn't already. Judgement and Judgment are both in the dictionary due to such things.

On the bright side, at least the sign wasn't posted like every teenybopper's post I see these days. They write LiKe this, can't speak proper English, and what they're saying seems like a cryptic message straight out of National Treasure! I don't usually care about improper grammar; their/they're/there for instance, while they make it hard to understand someone, any one can understand it. But seeing posts like "BrAH i cEnNeTT aGrEe wItH yAH En DaT!" seriously annoys me. It's like they're talking in Nickelback font! :laugh:

Edit: Here's a review I found that made me feel like a grammar Nazi!!! It's a review of the second Iron Man film-which I might add the reviewer didn't even SEE the film they're reviewing!!! :mad:

"i think that iron man is the best film. the first one was amazon and i no that this one will to. if ur into the hole fit Iron man the genius then come here i tellin u now u wont be dissapointed! the second one will be as good as the first i just no. "
 
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