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[Fino]

so im not the only one that thinks olimar needs to be streamlined in his strategy to have a chance to win, but is also just becoming unviable because everyone has started to really figure him out >_>

Lol no, you're just mad because you got hardcore tech chased by ally.


~Fino

 

[Llumys]

<_<;

I can't help but find that ironic coming from you, Fino.

 

[Fino]

<_<;

I can't help but find that ironic coming from you, Fino.

Why? I'm always the one saying that snakes saying they can 0-death olimar from a grab is hilarious (and ********).


~Fino

 

[Llumys]

Because you were recently mad. <_<;

 

[Pyronic_Star]

hmmmmmmmm, oli has to camp now to survive :S but just like people are figuring oli out... i feel that i'm figuring them out as well. this weekend i'll be playing ally possibly... i'm looking forward to it, i thought m2k was going to show up... i've been telling people i think i can beat him because it wasn't until a month ago that i could truly say that i know the MU like the back of my hand. people obviously disagree with me, but i'm ready to play m2k and be another player that adds to his upsets... with olimar. meep is going to show up to... i want to play him also, after last week, i think i know the MU enough to combat the infinites and the desynched blizzards. so yea, oli is being figured out... but i think other characters are being figured out also, fast enough to be advantageous to us.

 

[Noa.]

Good **** Logic.

Some of Oli's matchups right now may seem nearly impossible to win. But at high levels of play you keep on playing them and eventually they become extremely doable.

I remember when Mikehaze or Neo used to think that Marth could never beat MK. But now, they both think that the matchup is dead even. Something like that anyway.

Matchups change over time. It's the top players that have to make it better though. They have to attempt new things and make advancements on matchups.

I already know the Peach and Snake matchup extremely well. Everyday I keep of thinking of new ways to approach the matchup to make it even easier for me to play against the characters.

I still can't handle MK though. That matchup for me is just :S. I'll keep playing it until it makes more sense though.

 

[IcyLight]

recently at tournies i have felt enlightened to nearly every matchup i've been playing. it just all seems to click and make sense now. i know the snake match up even better than before and now the matches against fatals snake and bizkits snake are usually heavily in my favor. i even manage to do dead even with like every mk i fight. however, there is 1 matchup that is starting to annoy me, and it's rob. robs have learned that fair beats out our smashes so it's really annoying they just spam fair and never land, and don't go above me so i can uair. just annoying but doable :D

 

[Tin Man]

I would say I picked up olimar to fit my playstyle, it sucks to learn that he is being figured out and characters that he used to **** are making a comeback (snake and DDD)

 

[Noa.]

recently at tournies i have felt enlightened to nearly every matchup i've been playing. it just all seems to click and make sense now. i know the snake match up even better than before and now the matches against fatals snake and bizkits snake are usually heavily in my favor. i even manage to do dead even with like every mk i fight. however, there is 1 matchup that is starting to annoy me, and it's rob. robs have learned that fair beats out our smashes so it's really annoying they just spam fair and never land, and don't go above me so i can uair. just annoying but doable :D

ok, im going to say this.

about a year ago, there was an mk description posted in oli back room pretty much saying once mk has learned the matchup it's going to be HEAVILY in his favor, as in 75-25 or better mk favor. does anyone else seem to find this is starting to come true? i can't do **** against good mk's any more, only the scrub ones who run into pivot grabs. it's getting frustrating trying to fight them and know when they are in my face there is nothing i can do.

Contradictory much?

 

[Llumys]

Hilariously contradictory.

Make up your mind, Icy.

 

[Dyyne]

More nostalgia!
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=144649
I used to feel like such a terrible player when this would never work...but, then we learned that's because it can't work! haha...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYeCD9gGj1k
DSF, the best olimar.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=155391
Wer! Your typing still hurts my eyes

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=157433
I was right! **** you Pyro, Peach is(was?) a *****!

Dan called them pikmen rofl...

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=151971&highlight=natural+selection
Still one of my favorite threads to date....Natural Selection is OP!!!

(not that old)http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=197342
Hypocrite!

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=217068
Of course

 

[Llumys]

I lol'd at Skank's thread.

 

[Fino]

Did I ever tell you.... how much I love you... dyyne
And to this day... I still try to type your name with two n.s instead of two y.s

~Fino

 

[DanGR]

Dan called them pikmen rofl...

Plural.

 

[Hai Im Fearless]

some good olimar philosophy coming from this page....

I agree, p-s. The MK matchup seems WAY more do-able lately. And also, yeah, I'm playing FL's best consistantly, and they are adapting to the way olimar works. This, however, works in my favor, as I'm figuring out more options olimar has that I wouldn't have known beating players that "don't know wtf is going on when i fight olimar".

I'm confident I could beat M2K and ally as well.

And keep in mind, kids, when snake dthrows you, hitting up and immediatly up tilting catches them off guard the first time ALWAYS.

 

[Hai Im Fearless]

More nostalgia!



http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=151971&highlight=natural+selection
Still one of my favorite threads to date....Natural Selection is OP!!!

Dude this was too funny. I can't believe how many people took it serioulsy.

 

[Llumys]

Always? Nah.

Nothing always works, otherwise tech-chasing wouldn't be legit.

 

[BOB SAGET!]

Guys what should be my 500th post?

 

[Noa.]

I know now what shy guy canceling is. I have seen the light.

 

[IcyLight]

lol i did contradict myself pretty bad there. i've made up my mind. it's possible to go even with non-amazing metaknights, anyone at the high tier level or higher wrecks oli badly. that is my mind.

 

[BOB SAGET!]

My 500th post, enjoy http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=254620

 

[Fino]

I like how just a month ago I was saying the mk MU isn't that bad, and I practically got slaughtered for it.
Everyone seems to be starting to see the light :D


~Fino

 

[Pyronic_Star]

the MU itself is bad technically.... its the fact that its being played sooooooooooo much by us that mk's are being read left, right, down, up.. and every which way... i see things occur in my head before the mk even does it, thats why oli's can deal with him

 

[Denti]

since so many people play MK you have to have some experience on this match up.

random olimar thoughts from me. this hasn't failed me yet, i three stocked a snaked doing this..

a snake combo i do. at 0% grab down throw, F smash, Grab, Down throw, dash, pivot grab, back throw(off stage), Dair(spike). this has been working super well for me.

 

[IcyLight]

i think my problem is there are no mk's in my region. kinda weird

 

[Llumys]

I'm recording that advanced technique I discovered a while ago. Apparently IcyLight is the only one other than myself who has put it to use, but I hope the video will convince you guys to use it.

 

[IcyLight]

it's pretty pro llumys, although if you do it to fast i learned it does an aerial up-b onto the stage instead of grabbing edge, but i also learned that this tether if you miss can still hit them and it surprises them. it basically works even if you mess up a little, most of the time

 

[Llumys]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOUHNl8ZWz0

There you go. It's really short for my convenience.

 

[asob4]

More nostalgia!
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=144649
I used to feel like such a terrible player when this would never work...but, then we learned that's because it can't work! haha...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYeCD9gGj1k
DSF, the best olimar.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=155391
Wer! Your typing still hurts my eyes

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=157433
I was right! **** you Pyro, Peach is(was?) a *****!

Dan called them pikmen rofl...

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=151971&highlight=natural+selection
Still one of my favorite threads to date....Natural Selection is OP!!!

(not that old)http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=197342
Hypocrite!

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=217068
Of course

BAHAHAHAHAHA i don't even remember making that thread!!
i didn't listen to myself and i got a life D:

 

[Fino]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOUHNl8ZWz0

There you go. It's really short for my convenience.

Great job explaining how to do it *******.


~Fino

 

[IcyLight]

Great job explaining how to do it *******.


~Fino

he has already like 5x *******

 

[Fino]

he has already like 5x *******

wasn't in the vid though *******


~Fino

 

[IcyLight]

wasn't in the vid though *******


~Fino

inb4infraction

*******

 

[Llumys]

It's easy.

Let go of the edge, immediately tether, and don't input your action before landing.

 

[IcyLight]

you can also ISJR out of it into a fair, if you tap a as you hit the ground it will automatically jump

 

[Llumys]

Mhm. (:

It's really useful!

 

[Hai Im Fearless]

i still dont understand the instructions

 

[Llumys]

Here's how I do it.

1. Let go of the edge. (input: back)
2. Immediately tether. (input: up + b; it's easy to tether by moving your stick diagonally instead of up.)
3. Do not input an action before you land, or you'll grab the edge.
4. Input any action.


Edit:

If that doesn't work, try this.

1. Let go of edge. (input: up-back)
2. Immediately tether. (input: up-back + b)
3. Hold forward.
...


Anyway, after realizing that you can let go of the edge with up-back, I now know that the best way to refresh your invincibility frames is to let go with up-back, and tether with up-back+b. Obviously, you grab the edge when your tether connects it.


Edit:

This is way too good for edge mix-ups.

 

[Noa.]

I started playing this game again. After homebrew was installed on my wii I lost the data. Plus, it's been a while since I've gone through it. I find it fun.

 

[DanGR]

I've played over 30 hours of it so far. I'm not even half way through it yet.

Longest.
Game.
Ever.