JOE!

STOP NOT CHANGING THE MU's when the character you don't want to win wins twice, what the balls
I'm thinking you are biased on this one

Not much, just being a lazy Ed. You?

Sure, go ahead! It looks very good!

Nice! It definitely looks like a ghost type version of Overpowered!
Great job!

STOP CHANGING THE MATCH-UPS SO FAST!

There was a debate going, and his numbers were so far off it's pathetic, and his core assumptions were off.

I'm not on 24/7, nobody is.

hih? oh that...
I got lazy, just look at the TDB and see what I'm talking about

you srsly want me to do a picture synopsis?

Thanks for the tip on frames, I don't want to put it in my Ghor moveset mostly because I won't be sure how to implement it well. Ghor was fun to make and I want to make him one of my best movesets. So now I just kinda have to wait for more info.

lol, we both became lords by spamming in the TDB

AH thanks for the comments. I usually don't know to much about frames so I usually go with seconds so I guess I should shorten some of the startup lag. >_>
Luz 3 seconds, and thanks for the input, I will update my Ghor moveset later

1,000 posts *high fives*

Ah ok then :D
So he be a quick racker and ok gimper

Well good luck with your moveset, try listening to music or watch some videos. That might make you feel more like finishing it.

Well it is organized and percentages and knockback are easy to find.
But I mean also like no KO potential moves, I mean give her atleast a throw that can kill. I can only see her killing at 130% damages the earliest.

How many pokemon will you have ?

Yeah sure just PM me it

Also could you read my Ghor moveset I posted, I put a good amount of effort on it >_>, and I need more feedback to make changes and stuff

True........

give TL access to his skull hammer

Well, that might work..... What about my ICs/YLink match?

Givin' him alot to read on, Adum. By the way, Joe, I'm alittle confused. How can M2 and samus be Wild Cards? They're obviously the only ones who can actually take the other down, so............

Also, I again stress my disagreement with arbitrarily buffing MK so he can actually do stuff when we let everyone else lie in their pool of phail.

Yea, but still it's important to maintain it properly, otherwise it loses credibility.

Again, my priorities aren't who moves on to the next round, it's who wins the current match-up.

Remember, we could argue anything forever.

I guess a revisit is the best I'm gonna get right now, but I think it's important to point out (thinking in terms of what you said), a gun arm is quite obvious to echo-location or as a physic shadow, it's got the rather distinctive shape of emitting something, and since this is a battle, it would be assumed to be deadly.

Since mewtwo shoots first (actions plus reflexes still slower then thoughts alone, and to snipe, Samus would have to think). Regardless of the massive amount of fluff (whether mewtwo could block or dodge, how hard he's gotta work to actually kill samus), that point's really all mewtwo needs to use one manuever and win every single time.

BTW, what did you think of the match?

The fact that it's a second skin doesn't mean it would lose structural capacity while she's unconscious. Just the ability to move it, regular skin. That would be the most boggling design feature ever because it hurts samus where she's most vulnerable.


Yes, that's sort of the point though, stats establish a level of canonical power in the pokemon universe. All the other pokemon with that stat set were able to basically cause or stop the apocalypse (Ho-oh was the only one who wasn't shown to have that level of power explicitly), and lugia was the "stop".

Because it was previously unnecessary, except against the one he couldn't, mew.

But againm the entire point of how we do business is we establish what base capacities are and draw inferences from them, developing abilities which they haven't shown explicitly, but have proven themselves capable of. I think it's quite fair to say that considering the small power and concentration investment relative to what mewtwo's shown, he's proven himself capable of this.


I noted the resistance before, but against an apocalyptic level psionic it won't do much. Even if we assume that mewtwo isn't that powerful, gradually applied small doses to build up mental damage will serve as a kill move.


I understand, but I still think you're calling it wrong. And it's not even because I like mewtwo, I prefer samus overall. But the implications of psionics in general are quite simply frightening, so I have an interest in you calling it right.



Also, it wasn't meant for me I don't think, but what's wrong with sniping? The ninja in the deadliest warrior tried to with blow darts. It's overall combat, including "snipe distance".

Went on my site by accident, so making it part of the convo.

Telepathy and telekinesis both serve for scouting. If nothing else, with telepathy he'll notice a "resisted area of the of same size and shape and samus". Oh, and the resisted area has a gun arm, time for a little binding. For telekinesis, think echolocation, same principal.

Same as above.

Micro black holes have VERY tiny AOEs in general, at least where they're powerful, because gravity's effect deceases by the square of distance. But put the event horizon right in the beam's path and it with be absorbed, and whatever isn't definitely won't hit because the angle will be totally changed. But he doesn't NEED a black hole, for long-range sniping a tiny change in the angle makes a different of feet or yards.

There's no reason to believe the suit's durability is affected by samus herself being unconscious.


He did it partially and he's show the power and precision to do so. Again, he's canonically on a level playing field with pokemon that can destroy the world by accident so... yea. It's just a matter of taking what you know and applying it.

this match comes down to 100-0 because of one simple reason, if first shot kills, you've got 2 questions.

1. Who shoots first?
2. Does the second person get to shoot before he/she/it/potato dies?


For the first question, mewtwo's actions are simply FASTER, as I proved, he doesn't need to move to act, and finding samus is immediate and automatic. Samus need to find mewtwo and make physical actions (aka, aiming and firing). By the time that's happened, mewtwo has already executed his gambit and it's too late for samus.

For the second question, the answer is no. Since the result of mewtwo's action has no delay, samus doesn't get a chance to shoot back, so no mutual destruction.






However, it's not quite "first shot wins", it's first HIT wins. Since I've been ignoring them recently, here's mewtwo's options.

Also, the situation is first shot that hits, remember that. Mewtwo may not have the physical composition to resist, but he certainly has the options, and every beam that samus has is limited in what in can travel through (or it doesn't home), but only in the most pro-samus field is there not gonna be something mewtwo can use to block. For the 2D metriod weapons which can literally go through anything, they can't home, so hyper-compression (not necessarily a mico-black hole, just enough gravity to bend the path slightly) will through it off just enough to disrupt sniping.


As for actually attacking, mewtwo can use telepathy (samus may be resistant, but if she was immune, then how could mother brain hurt her with that telepathic beam, and space pirate technology would be only sufficient to screen, not eliminate) to puddle the brain or create illusions.

Also, the suit has shown vulnerability to being surgically removed in fusion (which mewtwo can imitate).


This is all assuming that samus' resistance really means anything (aka, the suit can stand the direct pressure, her mind can put up significant resistance). Mewtwo's power is canonically on par with dialga and palkia, you know, the guys that almost destroyed the world BY ACCIDENT in the latest pokemon generation. This suggests that mewtwo's powers are similarly apocalyptic level, in which case, samus' mind and suit would be akin to a toothpick to mewtwo.



Overall, mewtwo's options come out faster and eliminate samus' options once they come out, that's why mewtwo wins.

lol. yes it would now that I think back.......

1) Um, yeah, Bowser's definitely tough. BTW, I've got an idea - what about team battles?

2) Uh, i haven't payed attention to that debate lately (Samus/M2)..... My vote shouldn't matter (Mewtwo ).

I still see it as a stalemate...
Pro-Samus swares up and down that Samus can find Mewtwo before Mewtwo finds her...and same for the Mewtwo...

I actually believe it comes down to a who finds who first...and that's always like 50-50

I think it's a stalemate...


I just don't get where they're getting that Samus is immune to telepathy from...???

Er, i dunno. The ICs would have screwed them if it weren't for that poison. This time, they won't have poison, and he could have a hundred reds IMO and it wouldn't matter. After all, Bowser's a whole lot heavier and much, much larger than the ICs.

Okkaaayyy.... but what are the reds gonna do when everyone around them is scorched?

Uh, isn't Bowser like fifteen feet tall, and couldn't he just burn 'em all down at the beginning of the match?

hmmm...Not really sure...

Pro-Samus had many arguments...
and Pro-Mewtwo had good ones as well...
but I think what trumps the argument is that both have ways to heal when needed...

....... yeah, I guess you're right.

K, I had two in mind for now.

VS

and

VS !

Will you take suggestions for matches in TDB?

I'm probably gonna take a nap soon, I'm tired, lol.

I posted that before I saw that you finished part of the cewl pic.
mine will take longer because it's hand drawn... and I'm not the best at drawing

Lol, not much man, you?

I'd say the same thing, well I found a lot of pictures on the internet to use as models to draw after and Imma start like right now... I just got home and took out all of my drawing tools/pencils

Hey, my apologies about taking so long to look over Chikorita, I've been busy as of late and it keeps slipping my mind. I'll be busy most of the day but I should have some imput for you by tomorrow, sorry again for making you wait so long...