ZOMBIES! Mafia - Who Survived the Apocalypse?

[Moira]

My question is my answer. Sure his votes are sheepy, but how are his actions scummier than that of the others? Gorf's been a sheep, but I do not see you joining the Gorf wagon.

Macman, you are here. I am caught up. J is not around, talk dirty to me about Gheb.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I'm a watcher.

Ryu, what made you decide that this was the best time and way to claim watcher, and are you really a watcher? Be honest.

-Dietz

 

[Moira]

WATT, why do you come in only to post that of all things?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

(Well that was an extremely inconvieniently timed forum maitenaince, but at least it was quick)

As I was going to say, why wouldn't I comment on this, and why are you so quick to jump on me for trying to get my face in the game? Are you really that eager to find fault in me trying to contribute, or you do honestly find the question not worth asking? If not then let me do my business. Ryu has a real george washington complex: he cannot tell a lie without really forcing it, especially when you ask him directly and when he's physically present and forced to make a snap judgement call. Striking while the iron is hot has potential to be much more important than reading Gorf vs Joey, which is present in forum history and can be read at any time.

Now you also seem to have come to a snap judgement that I did not intend to contribute more after this, which I do. But you didn't have the common courtesy of waiting more than 6 minutes for another post. You know how Dietz and Orbo rolls and you even knew which one posted. On your bike harlot.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

So you just get right the **** out trying to stop me from coming in thread.

 

[Moira]

That over-reaction though.

 

[Moira]

Seriously was just a question, but you choose to attack our slot instead of just calmly and rationally answer the question. J may have a field day with that later.

Anyways, it's 3:30 in the morning where I am so I'm going to get some sleep.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Sure it was. Just a question with italic emphasis and not very subtle mudsling. The answer is there as well if you choose to take it, but I'm not going to sit and take your sass for doing the very thing that you're railing on me for, that pisses me off and isn't even giving our slot a chance.

 

[ranmaru]

My question is my answer. Sure his votes are sheepy, but how are his actions scummier than that of the others? Gorf's been a sheep, but I do not see you joining the Gorf wagon.

Macman, you are here. I am caught up. J is not around, talk dirty to me about Gheb.

Because I think he is scum trying to fake his votes. He can barely even manage to expand on the elder question. I found his vote on NL sudden, and disingenuous. (that means not genuine, right?) His Gorf vote was just as misplaced, and it was late pressure too. He could have voted earlier when he asked Gorf to explain his stance on me.

It's like this for me nl > ryu > gheb.

it's 3:30 am here too so i'm bout to bounce.

also lol at Watt. It's abraham lincoln complex. He can't tell a lie. Lol

 

[ranmaru]

(So essentially, since I can't get NL, I am compromising to Ryu because I feel there is scum there too)

 

[Wots All This Then?]

hah i get the context of that gorf post now... silly *** ****

my lynch pool is as follows: rake > gheb/frozen > watt > ryu
(i´ll prolly expand on these a bit more when i get my laptop back from the apple store and do another reread)

whoever said nothings happening, i disagree.. the game doesn´t feel stalled. Though it is a long as **** D1 (funnily enough also similar to phoenix wright in that respect)

@Red Ryu can you expand on how that gorf post makes you think he´s scum?

Why Rake here at the top of the list, is there any particular reason or is this just general dislike?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

also lol at Watt. It's abraham lincoln complex. He can't tell a lie. Lol

Naw dude, it's George Washington.

http://www.georgewashingtonwired.org/2013/04/02/i-cant-tell-a-lie-you-know-i-cant-tell-a-lie/

Story isn't even true, but it's still a literary thing/similie

 

[No Lynch]

This game is pretty dam ********.

 

[No Lynch]

Vote: Watt

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Was that hammer? What are we at?

 

[No Lynch]

L-0

Role?

 

[ranmaru]

gorf andac unvoted

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Too slow, just read back to the count to see that we weren't.

 

[No Lynch]

Self vote.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Bite me.

 

[ranmaru]

Self vote.

thoughts on ryu?4reelgoin to sleep/phone

 

[Ashemu]

ryu, any crumbs?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@ No Lynch

Yeah, I've seen the post and I've already told you I'd be fine with lynching Gorf. Sorry if I'm coming acrooss a bit itchy here but I already told you your big post was good stuff as far as WATT and Gorf are concerned and that scumAshy was the only thing I disagree with. The only thing I'd need explained is why Gorf is the better lynch now all of a sudden? WATT wagon has been doing fine all along, no need to hop off for another wagon. We'll get Gorf toMorrow and after that it'll be between whomever out of Ryu, frozen, Rockin, Rake and Joey turns out scummiest [that's also @ Moira accusing me of not looking into other directions!].

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Still don't know why Ryu has been pushed? Pushing a slot who's inactive over the weekend for being inactive over the weekend after he declared that he'd be inactive over the weekend is how you win games now? As far as I can see that's the gist of it, other than a handful of stupid early Day 1 posts that he always makes. WATT or Gorf is the play toDay and nobody else.

Interestingly, Ryu's claim is not only superfluous but also pretty ... bad. When was the last time we've seen a watcher in dGames? That role has been abandoned for the longest time now because of how stupid and OP it is. If Ryu isn't lying about his claim then DH either must have based his entire setup around the watcher to keep it balanced or he has implemented a scum watcher. Not sure which is the most likely out of these three options but his claim is definitely to be treated as null at best.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Alright I feel like I'm read-up enough to have a decent grasp on at least the last 10 pages or so to make some judgement calls.

Gorf's case on Joey was hasty and easily refuted, but it got his opinion out there. I don't feel like it was with scum intent, even if if there was definitely some lazy-intent making a sweeping case that's primarily shouting and hoping so he can get his opinion giving over with. Why would he try to get a brand new Joey wagon started lynched out of the blue as scum when there was already reasonable initiative on Us/Ryu etc., and particularly with that level of one-off effort? I don't think it's likely. That said he's pretty much checked out. Immediately after finishing being told off he does exactly what he rails against Joey for and goes with the flow admitting he's okay with us going. I'm a little dissapointed but I don't think anyone is looking hard enough if they're calling him scum for it after this and his similar Gheb comments. And I find myself wondering if some of the people who commented that way earlier still feel that way:

*cough, this means get back to me on that, cough*

After this, I think gorf is a pretty solid hit. I'd like to lynch inactive frozen and scummy+dodgey ruy and watt; but gorf is active scum right in front of us. Anyone who does not see this after his recent posts is extremely dense or an honorary scumbag.

Vote: Gorf

Vote: Gorf

@ Moira join me.
@-Masquerain- join me.
@ ~ Gheb ~ join me.
@Rockin join me.
@ Wots All This Then? join me.
@ Ashemu join me.
@Rake. join me.
@ ranmaru join me.
@Gorf join me.

Moira gorf is scum. If you're not scum, then lynch him with me. Why are you dead set on WATT? Save him for the morrow. The reluctance of peeps to lynch gorf will give us a lot more than WATT in which everyone has supported. Please answer me on gorf. Your reluctance to vote or speak of him is idk...

Ashemu I believe you stated you were down for this, yes?

Rake I believe you stated you were down for this, yes? Have you voted this game? Are you able to???

WATT since you aren't going to do anything else, help me lynch gorf.

Joey I know you're down. Same reasoning posed to you as to Moira in why we should lynch gorf > WATT.



nb4 gorf, moira, macman scum team.

I would however probably take Ryu toDay. He's sidelining and I don't feel like his heart is in it. Dismiss it as meta if you want, but I honestly take his leaving after seeing my question as pleading the 5th. He's been wholly unable to take a firm stance or side on certain issues when I usually expect the kind of Ryu who embraces the "Speak your mind even if it's wrong" school of thought. Don't confuse that with him not giving opinions, he's giving them, it's just when he does it often seems to be followed by hedging or redaction as in Ran's 753. There seems to me like actual occasions where he simply outright lies, which I wouldn't expect Ryu to do over just accepting the mistakes if they were honest. Like this exchange I was too busy entering thread to pay attention to but that seems out of place now that I've had time to catch up a little:

(underlined important line)

@Macman a lot of the point on WATT apply to Gheb even more so. WATT's inactivity also plays a part like Rake said.

I like No Lynch's case on Gorf, but not so how convincing it is on Gorf but the effort and believe ability of it of how NL believes his own case.

Still this I this is early day play is lynch worthy, that reaction and posts around me were grimy.

Now Gorf? He's giving me vibes of megaman unlimited. Where I don't think he believes what he is pushes and is pushing to get a lunch not lynch scum. His vote on no lynch? valid, his vote on Ran, he voted later of I remember and the speed of that wagon bothered me a bit.

Vote in Gheb, don't like.

That said, I don't all three of my don't likes are linked but I think scum is on those three and they are scummy slots.

So I'm going to a bar at an anime convention, I just won a Brawl tournament there. (Also no one has any Lucario plushies >:E)

@rake I want you to confront me, you seem to think I can scum but I want to know where this is coming from for you.

@ Ashemu are you trying to white knight everyone?

your vote is on nl for youre information

[USER=28116]
no and i dont know why youd suggest this[/user]

Wait so what is your actual read on us now? If you believe we are genuine why are we still lynch worthy?

Sorry ment Moira.

**** hydra names.

I'm sure someone will scream at me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know Moira made no case against Gorf, while Zen's NL side made one. Saying he meant Moira got everyone off his back, but I don't think that being an honest mistake is actually possible if I'm reading it right. I namesearched for Moira mentioning Gorf, and while he's mentioned a few times as being a potential scumread, there is no such case for Ryu to be commenting on to have made the mistake in hydra names in the first place. He's covering for not thinking about what he's saying anymore by continuing to not think about what he's saying.


(A previous post having NL in his lynch pool for reference)

Can you guys stop wall trading? I'm literally ignoring any wall post that is longer that I have to super scroll for it.

Only Evil Eue and Maybe J can get me to read a wall.

Gheb/no lynch/Gorf is my lynch pool today, I'd only Support Watt if there is a good reason which no one is answering me outside of Ran.

Someone who's read this game more thoroughly fact check that for me, otherwise if my understanding is accurate I'm fully prepared to keep our vote where it is on Ryu.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

That's all I've got for now that isn't diving deep into the realm of speculation and I don't want to discuss anything that isn't right there in thread since last time I delved into hardcore connection speculation D1 it got me bodied by scumMarshy looking for a target lol. But I've got me some theories for sure, and I'll share if there's nothing left to be done and our slot is the one on the way out: so make sure to give us notice of any L-1 shenanigans so we can at least have some last contributions. I'm out for the night.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

So it's Gorf and Ryu for you? I'll wait until you've read up before I make up my mind but according to yourself you're only read up like halfway through, right?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Okay, change of circumstances. I didn't want to make the snap decision on my own, but Orbo just got up and we've talked it all over, the risk of a lynch hungry thread not letting us speak before lynch-time is too high. Idk if this will end up being the dumbest throwaway of our PR ever but **** it:

We counterclaim Watcher.


We're an attentive citizen, town watcher. And betting the farm Ryu isn't too.


Don't discard what I pointed out about Ryu contradictions either, because they're legit (as far as I can discern), but truth be told it was pretty easy to find some harder scumtells as soon as I knew who to look at.


So to Sang, sorry for blowing up on you: but yeah, it was definitely the most important thing to comment on and tensions were suddenly sky high. I highly doubt there's two watchers in this game, and there's no way they're both on Town's side even if Ryu's claim is truthful and not just him going on tilt and claiming an amazing role.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

So it's Gorf and Ryu for you? I'll wait until you've read up before I make up my mind but according to yourself you're only read up like halfway through, right?

Pro-reading on the Gorf section for sure, but that's all irrelevant now that my partner in law enforcement gave the go-ahead to spill it on our role. I honestly was just saying whatever came to my head to reasonably try and give Gorf a pass so thread could focus on Ryu as the definitive scum if Orbo didn't think it was worth risking being killed for claiming.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Orbo is indeed awake and mostly caught up. The officer Will be fielding questions at our press conference later today

 

[Wots All This Then?]

And yeah, halfway @ ~ Gheb ~ , but mostly just the more recent half and then scouring it for hard dirt on Ryu as soon as that claim came up and I knew that I had to live up to my family name an face full life consequences. Everything else was admittedly a skim.

I'm glad I caught Orbo though, I'm not sure how well Id've slept having to sit on that. Now I think I'm really off, I really need to get my sleep schedule sorted :\

 

[Ashemu]

do you have any crumbs?

either way it owns that we're lynching between you two today. im still leaning ryu

 

[Ashemu]

anyway if theres a role in this setup that gives away guns (it makes perfect sense for the flavor!) i expect you to be on me tonight. peace

 

[Wots All This Then?]

do you have any crumbs?

either way it owns that we're lynching between you two today. im still leaning ryu

I don't crumb as town. Not sure if dietz dropped any. Probably not.

 

[Ashemu]

ok then theres really nothing more to discuss today. hammer ryu go go go

 

[Moira]

Well this just got a lot easier then intended. We have one scum in between WATT and Ryu it seems. Happy J is happy.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Whats the vote at anyways right now?

>too busy living that army life to know

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Well this just got a lot easier then intended. We have one scum in between WATT and Ryu it seems. Happy J is happy.

True story when dietz blew up on your slot I thought we would be in another j v jd war

 

[Moira]

@Macman
@ No Lynch
@Zack Fair

Wake up and get in here. We have a decision to make on which of Ruy/WATT is going first. (although tbh, it doesn't really matter too too much but I would rather just get the scummer out of the way and have a clear)

 

[Moira]

True story when dietz blew up on your slot I thought we would be in another j v jd war

That was Sang haha. Seems she is getting rowdy with people and I absolutely adore it.