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SupaSairentoZ7℠

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The Ship's connection is horrible. Often times I either time out or get the Java error and the post doesn't go through at all. I got a time out so I thought the post didn't make it. This isn't the only place it has happened in.
 
Rizen

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SupaSairentoZ7℠ said:
The Ship's connection is horrible. Often times I either time out or get the Java error and the post doesn't go through at all. I got a time out so I thought the post didn't make it. This isn't the only place it has happened in.
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That's too bad. SWF sometimes makes a clone post with other people too so it could have been this site's fault.
 
Alacion

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Long time no see.

1) Project Melee is garbage. I've been playing Melee in my absence, and don't understand why anybody would pick P:M over Melee. I rather dislike the P:M community as well.
2) Jigglypuff > Zelda if played to time, otherwise Zelda wins. Link > Zelda > Ganondorf.
3) Accounting homework is the worst.
4) Get well soon, Ed.
5) Welcome back Fuu!
 
Rizen

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Walmart protests nation wide on black Friday!
(copied and pasted. If you don't want to hear it don't click the spoiler)
Join the protest on black Friday (November 29)!
http://www.blackfridayprotests.org/
Remember 'black Friday' is the day after Thanksgiving when all the sales happen. The stores at this point stop being in the red and cross over into profiting for the year aka being in the black (hence the name).

Walmart. They outsource which hurts the economy
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/06/walmart-outsourcing-depresses-wages_n_1573885.html
Threaten workers, breaking labor laws
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/18/walmart-nlrb_n_4298387.html
discriminate against women
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/06/walmart-sex-discrimination-women-_n_1575859.html
and pay so low that workers have set up food drives to support their fellow workers!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osOhBDl_9uI[/youtube]

Here's some of my state's history with Walmart
Rizen said:
Oh man. Well first of all you (you the reader, editorial usage) know Walmart has low prices but at the hidden cost of ruining the economy by outsourcing jobs/products and paying terrible wages with no benefits for workers?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/06/walmart-outsourcing-depresses-wages_n_1573885.html

History:

Walmarts are getting really crafty at sneaking in towns. Here they opened a mall Walmart by going through a source that didn't actually show their name. People started getting suspicious by the color scheme. So a local newspaper wrote and asked 'is a Walmart coming?' and got no response. They tried several times over the months before the Walmart was built. Then finally when it was built people were surprised by it sneaking in, we have had a lot of opposition. The paper interview Walmart and they said they were always honest about coming but this was the same paper who tried to call them and see what store was coming in for months. So the printed an article saying 'Walmart lies, we tried to call them and communicate for a long time and they used sneaky techniques to get a store here (avoiding most legal procedures by going in an existing building without using the Walmart name) and avoided answering us. This is the kind of store Walmart is'.

Speaker from another town:

So I came to support an anti-Walmart group with 3 people from another progressive group and heard about that. We also had speakers from another town where an Walmart had been stopped from building over a lake (filling it in) years before. An 'urban renewal authority' said they would turn a run down mall into a new shopping center a few years ago but they did nothing and let the properties get worse and worse. Now they want to put a Walmart in there! This is mostly a residential area btw. Walmart said they invited people from the neighborhood for a Q&A discussion and the speaker for our group lived a block away from the site and she wasn't invited; as far as we know it didn't happen or was private. Walmart has done a ton of underhanded stuff like paying people to go and say a vote in city council already happened and Walmart was voted in- when it hadn't happened yet! They pay people to go to protests and act abusive (making a little girl cry) to attract cops break them up. Now they're basically building this huge Walmart- that has already made a local Safeway and other local store close after the announcement- in an urban neighborhood that has opposed them for years. People have attended city council meetings over and over agaist it. People doing nothing except wear a Pinocchio nose mask and wig have been dragged out of meetings and arrested for 'disorderly conduct' when they were sitting quietly waiting for there turn to speak! Walmart lost votes by a lot and was 'voted in'. What is this the gestapo?!

Another speaker was a worker and member of OURWalmart (Organization United for Respect), a union like group of Walmart workers.

http://forrespect.org/

talking about how they keep hours at 39.5, where 40 hours a week gets benefits by law. They said only 19 workers had an isolated protest when over 160 people (iirc) were there. They've cut hours to keep people from getting benefits, bonuses in holiday times like Nov, Dec. She been thrown in jail despite legal rights to strike. All the BS is just sickening.

So we're formulating campaigns including boycotting Walmart, with online petitions to prove it's not a few people opposing Walmart like they claim. Comparing prices in other stores for alternatives (with compares well btw, Walmart is not necessary), getting the public informed, communications between Walmart and the cities/public (Walmart's terrible about this besides stupid propaganda ad BS). And helping other cities oppose Walmart before they can arrive. Walmart is learning and getting really sneaky!

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The bottom line is Walmart does not treat workers like they should and destroys the economy by outsourcing jobs/products, running other stores out of buisness, and having working people on food stamps and gov support because they have no benefits like insurances and terrible wages. I think Jesus is rolling in his grave or whatever. You don't treat fellow humans like this! They disgust me!
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Walmart is wrecking the economy. When jobs are outsourced it means they leave the country. Workers get paid so low they end up on government assistance. They literally will make workers hours barely short of the legal requirements to get benefits (like 39.5 hours instead of 40). They've broken laws threatening workers. Used sneaky tactics and lies to creep into areas (see spoiler above). They kill local business. Walmart is a cancer on society.

Walmart protests are in no way against Walmart shoppers; it's hard to not shop there and make ends meet. Have you ever heard the song '16 Tons'? Mine workers would get supplies from the company store but they would cost more than the miners' were paid. This put them deeper and deeper in debt.
the line "Saint Peter don't call me 'cause I can't go; I owe my soul to the company store" expresses that. Walmart is today's 'company store'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16_tons
We encourage people to shop at alternative stores if possible. There have been tests, really, and Walmart is actually not cheaper than other stores. They start low and raise their prices.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/24/target-cheaper-than-walmart_n_1827883.html
(We've done our own tests too.)
If some idiot at a protest is disruptive and says it's against the workers they were probably paid by Walmart to do that! These protests are for Walmart workers, by Walmart workers!
http://forrespect.org/

Some people end up getting $12,000 a year. That's $1,000 a month (ah simple math); you can't find a place to rent that low usually! Forget food and other necessities. They don't get health insurance or benefits either.

How can Walmart executives sleep at night?! Oh right the owners (Walton family 6 members) sleep on billions of dollars; as much money as the lower 30% of Americans COMBINED have!!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/08/walmart-heirs_n_1137492.html

You don't treat fellow human beings like this damnit!!!
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So what to do?

1 Boycott Walmart.
2 Sign the petition: http://action.changewalmart.org/page/s/mainstreetpresident?source=blackfridayprotests
3 Find a protest near you: http://www.blackfridayprotests.org/

 
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I'm fairly certain that Wal-Mart would rather close a store than let their "enemies" win.
 
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Aleate said:
Long time no see.

1) >>> Project Melee is garbage. I've been playing Melee in my absence, and don't understand why anybody would pick P:M over Melee. I rather dislike the P:M community as well. <<<
2) Jigglypuff > Zelda if played to time, otherwise Zelda wins. Link > Zelda > Ganondorf.
3) Accounting homework is the worst.
4) Get well soon, Ed.
5) Welcome back Fuu!
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Not cool. :c
 
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To be fair, what would anybody think of a game where if say... there was a Donkey Kong main who kept losing (because they are bad) and as a result excessively buffs their own character while completely removing staples of Melee (such as invincibility of shine) to gain an advantage over better players.

Melee SD Remix needs more attention.
 
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Well, thankfully, while the P:M community loves to whine about something such as your scenario, the PMBR doesn't really react that way. They generally only change something that way if they think its design is over-centralizing or badly designed, like 2.1 Ike. His range was coupled with absurd power and decent speed. While people DID keep losing to 2.1 Ike, it was parially his design that warranted a change. Eh, I won't try to convince you to play or anything, we needn't really talk on the subject more.

But yeah SD Remix is cool too, I like'd the Idea, it's a shame the sorta stopped working on it.
 
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What if I told you that DK main is in the PMBR and that scenario actually happened?

I've played P:M. I have tried to get into it, but the PMBR members in Vancouver completely turned me off the game.
 
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Yeah. Strong Bad's Donkey Kong is mediocre at best in every game.
Well, every Smash game except for the one whose mechanics he can actually change. :applejack:
 
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P:M, like many things, seems like the best thing since the pill sliced bread to people who like it and not to people who don't like it. I tried it very briefly but decided I'd rather wait for SSB4 than learn a new metagame at this point.
 
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It's mostly casuals and low leveled players who enjoy Project M the most from what I've seen in tournaments and around my area.
I know some upper level Brawl players play it, but them being successful isn't surprising. It's not hard to transfer skill and general Smash Bros. knowledge into another Smash game, even if it's not as refined or polished as the actual games.

:applejack:
 
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ScaryLB59 said:
So, random questions... I've never teamed with a MK before and at Apex I'm teaming with one. What should I do lol?
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IDK. MK's a great partner. Just try to space out of his way like with any teammate I guess.

WTF is happening in your avatar?!
 
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I get the impression Din's would be worse in this teamup because like, all of MKs moves can't clank with Din's.

But, considering it's MK, he'll probably have no problems with it anyways. :awesome:
 
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I have a friend who (shall remain unnamed) who thinks b air and f air are the same move and the differences in frame data and knockback don't make a difference.

Would anyone be willing just to state why he is wrong?

I already explained but I figure if more than one person spells it out for him maybe it will sink in :)
 
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I can account that with no DI in the middle of FD, Mario dies at very different %s from Bair and Fair.

I don't know the exact numbers right now, but I think the difference was around 10% earlier. That's quite a difference. > . >

Also, you can't really short hop two fairs (unless you're frame perfect then it might work...) Because the move is a few frames slower. But you can short hop two BAirs. that's an important difference.


There, there's your proof.
 
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What doesn't he understand?

- Bair comes out significantly faster (those 3 frames make a big diff)
- Bair has less end lag
- They both do the same damage, but iirc fair sweetspot has a set knockback angle/value while bair sweetspot has the Sakurai angle. (Although it sounds like your friend might not be tech-savvy enough to understand what that actually means.... basically, the knockback angle and value are variable.) I'm not 100% sure on the knockback thing though; it's been a long time since I looked at her raw data.

So bair is faster, less laggy, and (if I'm right about the sweetspots) has better KO knockback at high percentages. I mean obviously fair is very similar, but bair is still better in every way. Pretty clear cut.

EDIT: I think what BJN saw with Mario is because of the sweetspot knockback differences. So I'm a little more confident that I'm right on that.
 
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