Zero Suit Samus Alt Costume

[Shog]

Is here anybody nostalgic because of the GBA games?

Only things I read are from people which adore her look or unneeded talk about feminism about a character which showed skin more than over 30 years ago. Get a grip, folks. Do any of you ever go to beaches? Women showing are also showing there skin there. Who cares?

 

[ChikoLad]

 

[BloderModer]

Is here anybody nostalgic because of the GBA games?

Only things I read are from people which adore her look or unneeded talk about feminism about a character which showed skin more than over 30 years ago. Get a grip, folks. Do any of you ever go to beaches? Women showing are also showing there skin there. Who cares?

I thought this discussion was over.

And yes, I feel nostalgic, Metroid Fusion was such a good game. Still waiting for a true Metroidvania sequel.

 

[Luminario]

Is here anybody nostalgic because of the GBA games?

Only things I read are from people which adore her look or unneeded talk about feminism about a character which showed skin more than over 30 years ago. Get a grip, folks. Do any of you ever go to beaches? Women showing are also showing there skin there. Who cares?

We thought the era of sexualising Samus would be over by now. It's not like people didn't complain in the past you can just see the complaining now and Smash Bros has a bigger audience. Also people at the beach choose to wear bikinis, Samus is a character with no autonomy.
I'm in small font so I don't start at argument again. Just read me and then forget I ever existed.
So how weird do you guys think it would be if ZSS got short hair + military outfit like in the Other M flashbacks?

 

[DraginHikari]

I don't see it likely to be honest at least in regards to her hair. It seems like they're heavily avoiding things they would change the way the head of the character works. It's why we ended up with that Link SS palette that looked like his civilian clothes but still has his hat.

Could I see the uniform without changing her hair or the like, its seems more possible.

 

[ChubbStep112801]

Does anyone else feel like ZSS will be a frickin awesome in Sm4sh?

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Hey, as far as I can tell, it's really good. I couldn't do that in a million years XD

Please don't Double Post.
Edit: TRIPLE POST

 

[LasermasterA]

I thought this discussion was over.

And yes, I feel nostalgic, Metroid Fusion was such a good game. Still waiting for a true Metroidvania sequel.

Yea me too. Would love the actual sequel to Metroid Fusion, with the Fusion. Not midquels like we are getting.

As a side note, Samus's Fusion suit is more feminine than her regular power suit. Why are they not continuing the series from there? Forget the wreck that Other M was and continue to make a Metroid 5, this time with the Fusion suit and probably more abilities!

 

[FalKoopa]

I agree with Sonic, their playing styles are not even close to being simular XD


Hey, as far as I can tell, it's really good. I couldn't do that in a million years XD

Does anyone else feel like ZSS will be a frickin awesome in Sm4sh?

Try not to double post. There is an edit button below the post, use it. This site is particularly harsh on double posting.

 

[ChubbStep112801]

Nuff said

 

[Shiliski]

So how weird do you guys think it would be if ZSS got short hair + military outfit like in the Other M flashbacks?

I like the idea of it in general. Since they're already doing the Other M angle with the power suit I'm kinda hoping for this.

I mean, if you're going to give us the worst game in the series, you could at least focus on the good parts.

 

[Eisendrachen]

I mean, if you're going to give us the worst game in the series, you could at least focus on the good parts.

Pretty sure this game's rating would skyrocket if they did that~

 

[Hero of the Winds]

Is here anybody nostalgic because of the GBA games?

Only things I read are from people which adore her look or unneeded talk about feminism about a character which showed skin more than over 30 years ago. Get a grip, folks. Do any of you ever go to beaches? Women showing are also showing there skin there. Who cares?

Haha, I agree, I like the reference to Zero Mission

 

[Arcadenik]

I can guarantee you these women can't twist their bodies like that in order to bring attention to the breasts and buttocks. This has nothing to do with her character portrayal it's fine she's a badass bounty hunter and Other M gave her a bit more emotional depth. The problem is the fact that she's being twisted and warped to give her secondary sex characteristics as much screen time as possible. I told myself I wouldn't argue about this anymore so just read the link i added before.

Maybe Samus is a contortionist in her spare time... it would explain her rubbery spine and dislocated joints.

 

[Eisendrachen]

Maybe Samus is a contortionist in her spare time... it would explain her rubbery spine and dislocated joints.

Oi, there's enough gasoline spread around already, stop flicking matches.

Samus can bend like that precisely because she ISN'T FULLY HUMAN. Gene-splice with space tengu to live on Zebes had side-effects.

 

[kuk]

It's so cringeworthy how Sakurai added "female" about the designer of Samus's alt costume. Samus has gone from a respected character to a sex object. But hey, as long as it sells... ._.

 

[ihskeyp]

It's so cringeworthy how Sakurai added "female" about the designer of Samus's alt costume. Samus has gone from a respected character to a sex object. But hey, as long as it sells... ._.

Cringeworthy? He did that because people always bash men for specializing women. He was saying 'hey guys, her designer is female. Just to clear things up'. I don't see how that's cringeworthy.

 

[Shiliski]

Cringeworthy? He did that because people always bash men for specializing women. He was saying 'hey guys, her designer is female. Just to clear things up'. I don't see how that's cringeworthy.

It's an obvious tactic to avoid feminist backlash. The fact that it's transparent is why people are rolling their eyes at it. That said, considering the controversy already surrounding the heels, Sakurai would have to be an idiot to not try to avoid that kind of backlash.

It's so cringeworthy how Sakurai added "female" about the designer of Samus's alt costume. Samus has gone from a respected character to a sex object. But hey, as long as it sells... ._.

Speaking of backlash, weren't we going to do that thing were we don't have that discussion in this thread anymore?

 

[kuk]

Cringeworthy? He did that because people always bash men for specializing women. He was saying 'hey guys, her designer is female. Just to clear things up'. I don't see how that's cringeworthy.

Normally, the gender of the designer would've been left out. But now, as Sakurai KNOWS he sexualizes Samus even more, he added "female" as a pro-active way of handling critisism for sexualization.

 

[ihskeyp]

Normally, the gender of the designer would've been left out. But now, as Sakurai KNOWS he sexualizes Samus even more, he added "female" as a pro-active way of handling critisism for sexualization.

Since sakurai knows he sexualities Samus? Um, samus is sexualized in her own games, sakurai didn't make her. What is he supposed to do? Change her design so that she looks nothing like her metroid self? No, cause that would make all the metroid fans mad. He made her LESS sexualized than Other M. Other M had heels that were only there for looks. At least sakurai took her latest design, and made the heels useful. You're blaming sakurai for her sexualization, when the truth is, she's ALWAYS been sexualized, way before she was a smash bros character.

 

[Shiliski]

Since sakurai knows he sexualities Samus? Um, samus is sexualized in her own games, sakurai didn't make her. What is he supposed to do? Change her design so that she looks nothing like her metroid self? No, cause that would make all the metroid fans mad. He made her LESS sexualized than Other M. Other M had heels that were only there for looks. At least sakurai took her latest design, and made the heels useful. Your blaming sakurai for her sexualization, when the truth is, she's ALWAYS been sexualized, way before she was a smash bros character.

This.

Sakamoto is the one who made Samus a sex symbol. You're not even blaming the right person.

 

[Eisendrachen]

This.

Sakamoto is the one who made Samus a sex symbol. You're not even blaming the right person.

Even more hilarious, Sakamoto did that after his notes for Zero Mission explicitly said not to.

 

[kuk]

Since sakurai knows he sexualities Samus? Um, samus is sexualized in her own games, sakurai didn't make her. What is he supposed to do? Change her design so that she looks nothing like her metroid self? No, cause that would make all the metroid fans mad. He made her LESS sexualized than Other M. Other M had heels that were only there for looks. At least sakurai took her latest design, and made the heels useful. You're blaming sakurai for her sexualization, when the truth is, she's ALWAYS been sexualized, way before she was a smash bros character.

By making Zero Suit Samus into a playable character - that in itself is a pretty heavy sexualization. Not to mention she got a whip from nowhere and suggestive comments and poses. This is a minor detail that has probably slipped you by, but have you seen her animation in Brawl for her AAA attack combo? Did they really have to make her twist and bend like that? Zero Suit Samus in Smash games is pure fan service fodder.

The heels are one of the few things I didn't like with Other M. I agree they're only there to up her sex appeal. However, Sakurai could easily have neglected them. But no, he still included them. Sure, they're boost heels now, but as I said before, that is probably a direct result of negative feedback from the heels in Other M.

She's always been sexualized TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, but not this much.

This.

Sakamoto is the one who made Samus a sex symbol. You're not even blaming the right person.

Did Sakamoto direct Fusion and Zero Mission? If yes, then yes he turned Samus sexier. But still not comparable to what Sakurai has done to her in the Smash games.

Even more hilarious, Sakamoto did that after his notes for Zero Mission explicitly said not to.

Sakamoto is only part to blame for Samus's sexualization, but Sakurai is the biggest culprit.

 

[Eisendrachen]

By making Zero Suit Samus into a playable character

Stop you right here... Sakamoto did it first. Zero Mission.

 

[kuk]

Stop you right here... Sakamoto did it first. Zero Mission.

With a tiny sprite, yes. Not comparable to a full blown polygon model.

 

[Eisendrachen]

With a tiny sprite, yes. Not comparable to a full blown polygon model.

Distinction is irrelevant. Sakamoto still opened that door, not Sakurai.

 

[kuk]

Distinction is irrelevant. Sakamoto still opened that door, not Sakurai.

How is it not relevant when looks alone can decide your impression of a character?

 

[Eisendrachen]

How is it not relevant when looks alone can decide your impression of a character?

Because stripping Samus down has been part of the series since the beginning. Nothing's changed, except the modern gamer.

 

[kuk]

Because stripping Samus down has been part of the series since the beginning. Nothing's changed, except the modern gamer.

So you don't see the difference between:

A) Stripping down Samus during end credits with tiny, lo resolution sprites

B) Showing off stripped down Samus during main gameplay with hi resolution polygon model

 

[Eisendrachen]

Exactly, because for Samus it's nothing new. The only thing that's changed is that now we have people crawling out of the woodwork to complain about it.

 

[kuk]

Exactly, because for Samus it's nothing new. The only thing that's changed is that now we have people crawling out of the woodwork to complain about it.

OK, if you pretent like not reading what I just wrote, then you don't deserve a proper discussion. Good day.

 

[BloderModer]

Exactly, because for Samus it's nothing new. The only thing that's changed is that now we have people crawling out of the woodwork to complain about it.

People have always complained about this. The difference is that more people are more aware about the implications behind these tropes.

By the way, wasn't this discussion over?

 

[Eisendrachen]

By the way, wasn't this discussion over?

If it wasn't before, it certainly is now. Incidentally: It's more inherently sexist to make the claim that Samus "can't" be shown in certain clothing because she's (gasp!) a female character, than it is to actually do it.

 

[BloderModer]

If it wasn't before, it certainly is now. Incidentally: It's more inherently sexist to make the claim that Samus "can't" be shown in certain clothing because she's (gasp!) a female character, than it is to actually do it.

I agree, it's not wrong for a video game character to be dressed in certain ways, but I think it's wrong for a developer to "fix" their characters by making them more sexualized and claim that their design is somehow better. Measuring worth in sexual characteristics and reducing a person (or a character, in this case) to a thing that brings sexual gratification: To sexually objectify. This has consequences in the forms of narrowing instead of diversifying females in the gaming medium and taking away the subjectification, the bond people felt to the character.

Now, this discussion is really over! I'm looking forward to a heel-less ZSS as a costume.

 

[Eisendrachen]

Now, this discussion is really over! I'm looking forward to a heel-less ZSS as a costume.

Heel-less probably won't happen, something to do with hitboxes. Unless they're just invisible... oh crap, half-dragon Zamus alt...

 

[IsmaR]

Now, this discussion is really over!

Were it that simple (just saying it's over meaning it's over), things would be awesome.

Handing out infractions as needed. If this topic devolves into sexualization/feminism discussion anymore, it's going to be locked, and the ones doing it reprimanded.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Man, still seeing this Samus again is quite nostalgic now, even with the added heels. Long live sportswear suit Samus?

 

[Shiliski]

Long live the queen! Also: Nice SMC sig.

Yeah it's pretty nostalgic. Back then there wasn't really a clear, consistent idea of what Samus even looked like under the power suit. There was the Nintendo Power comic version, the green haired Justin Bailey version, the Super Metroid ending version, the Metroid 2 version... They had major differences including hair color, jawline, general body build, etc. They really had no idea what to do with her suitless form other than "It's a girl!"

Zero Suit Samus was the first image of Samus to really be consistent in between games. Heck, even Fusion ending Samus looks different from ZSS.

 

[KingBroly]

Long live the queen! Also: Nice SMC sig.

Yeah it's pretty nostalgic. Back then there wasn't really a clear, consistent idea of what Samus even looked like under the power suit. There was the Nintendo Power comic version, the green haired Justin Bailey version, the Super Metroid ending version, the Metroid 2 version... They had major differences including hair color, jawline, general body build, etc. They really had no idea what to do with her suitless form other than "It's a girl!"

Zero Suit Samus was the first image of Samus to really be consistent in between games. Heck, even Fusion ending Samus looks different from ZSS.

I'd still prefer the Super Metroid under-suit as an alt skin.

 

[gamer8]

THREE shades of Blue for ZSS alts T_T Not as bad as Sonic though but I'm kind of disappointed they put in "very light blue" as an alt color.

Edit: Nevermind apparently it's gray! Sweet, I always wanted a gray ZSS alt!