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[Macchiato]

I honestly respect ZeRo as a player, but I doubt he would get as far with some mid tier character.

I wanna see him main pallytuna

 

[Cenizas]

Zeldestruction

This is good because it simultaneously describes you and the opponent because of how wonky Zelda is.

 

[Lavani]

I honestly respect ZeRo as a player, but I doubt he would get as far with some mid tier character.

Well, he did say he was going to shift his focus to Captain Falcon and Shulk after Apex. Make of that what you will.

 

[Ffamran]

I main him too ya know and yes he can, but depends on if they reach the ledge in time

um

doing research for sheik boards atm, will get back to you on that

Don't you play ? If you do, then you just got 'd!

Cool, because a Peach recovered low and I felt like Peach was trying to go high, so I used Utilt which caught Peach before she grabbed the ledge. Speaking of ledge grabs, I hate Greninja's and Little Mac's. Sometimes no matter how close they are to the ledge and no matter if how long it took between grabbing ledges, they will not freaking reach out and grab the damn ledge. Meanwhile, Pikachu's stubby arms can be about a foot away and Pikachu will magically snap back to the ledge. ARGH!!! GAME DESIGN!!! I HAD GRENINJA'S FREAKING LEG SLAP INTO SOMEONE'S BODY AND NOTHING HAPPENED!!! GREAT ATTACK, GRENINJA SIDE SMASH! EOIHIEI FHEHIAFELHKD HDL *is dragged off to be sedated again*

Oh, and maybe something about momentum too, because I threw out Ike's Utilt once and it collided with Diddy Kong's Rocketbarrel Boost and it launched Diddy up like a rocket which star KO'd him.

 

[MDAVE]

Well, he did say he was going to shift his focus to Captain Falcon and Shulk after Apex. Make of that what you will.

Ha. That's almost as funny as the 30491834803180 repeated jokes people made about the Super Bowl.

 

[Macchiato]

Well, he did say he was going to shift his focus to Captain Falcon and Shulk after Apex. Make of that what you will.

If he doesn't I would

 

[Berserker.]

I also respect ZeRo though. That man was on a mission

Also, I'm alright with a Diddy nerf. Like maybe u-air and d-throw, and we're good

 

[Macchiato]

I also respect ZeRo though. That man was on a mission

Also, I'm alright with a Diddy nerf. Like maybe u-air and d-throw, and we're good

But then shulk might become broken, this can't happen

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

I wanna see him main pallytuna

I want to see Zero play Diddy and then next match go straight to Zelda. I can just imagine him trying to do a Monkey Flip but he ends up using Din's and falling to his death with tears in his eyes

 

[Nammy12]

Wow. 100k people watching apex.
And to think people said Smash isn't a "real" fighting game.

 

[Berserker.]

But then shulk might become broken, this can't happen

Laggy attacks = Sealed for never broken/OP

 

[MDAVE]

Wow. 100k people watching apex.
And to think people said Smash isn't a "real" fighting game.

Yet the whole title of the game except the "brothers" part is violent, lol.
No really, people have never thought of smash as a real fighting game, it's pretty sad when you see how many people attend or even play the games.

 

[Lavani]

Smaller hitboxes on Diddy's fair/dtilt
7~10 more frames endlag on uair, 2~3 more frames startup, remove the hitbox underneath him (seriously wtf)

I think I'd be fine with him after that

 

[Ffamran]

Laggy attacks = Sealed for never broken/OP

People still complain about Shulk's "****" frame data. Meanwhile, in Ike's world.

Then there's Sonics who camp when Sonic has good frame data and could basically go Captain Falcon or Fox on you and run circles around you while hitting you left and right, but nope, gotta go slow.

 

[Furret]

I wanna see him main pallytuna

that's like saying I hope Leffen picks jigglypuff

 

[Nammy12]

Yet the whole title of the game except the "brothers" part is violent, lol.
No really, people have never thought of smash as a real fighting game, it's pretty sad when you see how many people attend or even play the games.

The FGC was so salty when both of the Smash games made it into Evo lol.
Smash Melee is the most current popular fighting game (besides USF4) so I don't think the community is going to fade away soon.

 

[Lavani]

remove the hitbox underneath him (seriously wtf)

Lemme just drive this home real quick.

 

[MDAVE]

The FGC was so salty when both of the Smash games made it into Evo lol.
Smash Melee is the most current popular fighting game (besides USF4) so I don't think the community is going to fade away soon.

I suppose people are so salty about it because of the casual reputation smash has?

 

[Lavani]

@ Ffamran I know Macchiato already replied, but confirming that utilt can hit ledgesnaps.

It doesn't reach very far below the ledge though, so it has to be a pretty horizontal ledgesnap for it to work.

 

[Nammy12]

I suppose people are so salty about it because of the casual reputation smash has?

Hoo Hah certainly isn't going to help that.
I really hope the meta changes from super defensive+Diddy only before Evo comes around since top 8 was kind of dragging on when we knew Diddy was likely to win it anyways.

 

[Berserker.]

People still complain about Shulk's "****" frame data

When frame 10 is considered really good and really fast for Shulk, there's something wrong here

 

[Soul.]

Isn't the FGC like, always criticizing Smash?

Also lol people mad on Twitter because "Melee > Smash 4".

 

[Lavani]

When frame 10 is considered really good and really fast for Shulk, there's something wrong here

Sounds like Dedede.

 

[MDAVE]

Hoo Hah certainly isn't going to help that.
I really hope the meta changes from super defensive+Diddy only before Evo comes around since top 8 was kind of dragging on when we knew Diddy was likely to win it anyways.

Right? This Hoo Hah crap is really getting to me though. I saw something on TV that said " Doo Dah" and I read it as " Hoo Hah ". Terrible.

Thank god the final wasn't a Diddy ditto though, as someone else already mentioned. My favorite moment was when Dabuz made that great comeback with the nerfed Olimar.

 

[Macchiato]

Gorls I did it. The final score for Zelda vs Rosie is 49-51 favoring Rosie. Such a huuuuge advantage

 

[Berserker.]

Sounds like Dedede.

T'is why the Monado boy has the disjoint to compensate for this... weird standard for frame data. And monado arts which **** up every mechanic and number in all of his moves in a good way mostly (slightly in a bad way too)

But hey, air slash is amazing. Like, really amazing

 

[Phenomiracle]

Guess what I found.

 

[MDAVE]

But hey, air slash is amazing. Like, really really really really really really really really really really really really amazing.

Had to edit your post a little. Air Slash saved me in a BUNCH of situations and has such good kill potential. You can even use it to end a combo!

 

[Nammy12]

@ MDAVE
I was wondering, considering you main both Ike and Shulk, how would you compare the two?
Would you say that Shulk is just an Ike with less power, more mobility and a stat changing gimmick?

 

[Berserker.]

Ike has a much more consistent neutral game. Shulk's is situational for the most obvious reasons.

Ike consistently has more power in general. Shulk can switch to having more power or more knockback. Shulk can also choose to have more mobility. What I think Ike has over Shulk is ease of use and neutral game consistency. Shulk is the virtualization of duct tape

 

[Lavani]

whee missed this

People still complain about Shulk's "****" frame data. Meanwhile, in Ike's world.

Then there's Sonics who camp when Sonic has good frame data and could basically go Captain Falcon or Fox on you and run circles around you while hitting you left and right, but nope, gotta go slow.

Ike's frame data is quite a bit better than Shulk's, really. 7f bair that autocancels from a shorthop and kills really well, 7f dtilt that starts combos, and similar speed tilts that actually have power stand out in particular. Shulk takes a lot of time to both start and end attacks and doesn't have much power backing the hits; his fastest aerial is his 13f nair, and I'm pretty sure none of his stuff autocancels from a shorthop.

 

[Berserker.]

I'm pretty sure none of his stuff autocancels from a shorthop.

I can confirm this, unfortunately '^_^

Still, Shulk and Ike are viable. I hope they got more screen time this year

 

[MDAVE]

@ MDAVE
I was wondering, considering you main both Ike and Shulk, how would you compare the two?
Would you say that Shulk is just an Ike with less power, more mobility and a stat changing gimmick?

Oh that's pretty simple, I used to actually main Ike in Brawl, and he just feels right to play in Smash 3DS. But I do way, WAY better with Shulk in Smash WiiU. And yes! Shulk feels like Ike with less power but more combo power instead because of his lower knock back attacks. You basically change back to power with Smash MA though. As in, killing potential haha. He's faster, more mobile and sword fighters work the best for how I play. I tend to use a lot of air game, I like using jumps and their air game has almost the same range, which works for me just fine.

 

[Lavani]

I really want to see more Ike in particular, personally. I'm awful at playing the character, but I love watching him.

I wouldn't complain about more Shulk either, but I'm nowhere near as crazy about him despite the intricacies of monado arts.

 

[Ffamran]

I can confirm this, unfortunately '^_^

Still, Shulk and Ike are viable. I hope they got more screen time this year

Knowing people and how the world work... It's probably not going to happen. We need a really good player to breakout or something. Even though characters can be proven to do things, people will stick to whoever is the "best". I mean, Luigi gained attention, but there are like 3 Luigis that I know of and like at least 5 Diddys. Add the masses and yeah...

 

[2004Zilla]

Guess what I found.

Ooh that hit me in the feels.

 

[Lavani]

I mean, Luigi gained attention, but there are like 3 Luigis that I know of and like at least 5 Diddys. Add the masses and yeah...

I just want to mention again that 8 known Luigis made it out of Apex pools; the third most represented character in that regard. False, LOE1, Boss, J Miller, Thunderst0rm, BelaC, Mr. ConCon, and 2Fast.

 

[Berserker.]

Knowing people and how the world work... It's probably not going to happen. We need a really good player to breakout or something. Even though characters can be proven to do things, people will stick to whoever is the "best". I mean, Luigi gained attention, but there are like 3 Luigis that I know of and like at least 5 Diddys. Add the masses and yeah...

Eh, we'll see. At least 1 or 2 is fine. You'll never know what happens in the future. Some top tier character may be kicked to bottom out of no where because reasons but idk.

There were 2 Shulks that made it out but I haven't heard much. At least it's good to know that there was representation of Shulk in APEX (Badabada and Ally)

 

[「 Derk 」]

Uploaded a Zelda video so I figured I would share it with the sisters. The quality is not the best since I don't have a capture card tho :/

 

[Nammy12]

Just received the call that classes are cancelled tomorrow
But seriously though, this snow storm is kind of ridiculous.
Stay safe everyone.

Edit: Mango, Leffen MM starting now!!