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[Lavani]

Gonna throw down some stuff on Tiki, since she's not very intuitive compared to other characters. Don't worry, I'll run out of things to ramble about with this game pre-english release soon enough.

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Thought about recording some things, but I can't work out a setup I like for 3DS; the bottom screen isn't very important, but it feels weird to leave it out if I were to record an entire stage (I'd exclude it for a moveset or stun gauge video or something), and fitting both screens in a recording makes the resolution awkward. So I'll probably just be lazy and not bother.

Edit: Shadow Dragon map's Anna stage has some weird as hell character restrictions
Usually it limits you to characters from a specific game or weapon type, but that stage's restrictions are "Rowan, Lianna, Robin, Leon, Marth, Caeda, and Anna only".
And it gives you eight slots for character deployment.
???????????????????????????

Edit2: Also a really brutal stage, jeez
Maybe Robin's just a bad character for it, but it's actually taking several tries

 

[Burgundy]

can we talk about how we're a bit sad that the most hated Fire Emblem Lord lost a popularity contest.

The power of the underdog i tell ya.

Hey I’ve never played Fates so I have the ability of loving him for his design and not knowing all of his writing flaws
He’s cute and has a sweet va and is at least not as bad as female Corrin can be

 

[Cress!]

Lavani can you swap characters in the middle of your Awakening? And what happens if you are able to?

 

[Lavani]

Lavani can you swap characters in the middle of your Awakening? And what happens if you are able to?

Sadly you cannot. Awakening and mid-flight as a pegasus/wyvern are the only situations you're unable to switch.

You can cheat the pegasus/wyvern one by doing a dash attack and switching immediately during that, though.

 

[Ffamran]

Late night summonings. Don't do this because your judgement is poor when you're tired. Color sniping has never worked for me. I summoned another Shigure from a full pull after Raigh's shenanigans in a summon with four reds and one blue; +Atk, but -Res Camilla showed up, and I finally summoned another Cherche... But at what cost? Olivia, why? It's like with bride Cordelia again... ;_;

Spoiler: The 83rd Summon sort of

 

[LordTakeo]

If the multipliers weren’t given so much more generously this time, he could’ve done it. Oh well

To be fair, without these multipliers, M!corrin wouldn't even stood a chance. Also, everyone on Ninians team got -two- multipliers, but 1510 flags. It really hurts not being able to use them up.

Otherwise, Deidre&Sigurd look fun, Sigurd is quiiiiite the defensive beast if I may say so. But he suffers from the same "being baited" weakness that vantage-hector did.

 

[EODM07]

Morning everyone. How're you all doing?

Had my tutorial last night, which was interesting to say the least. Mainly learned how to work on reports, Harvard referencing and how not to plagiarise. I've asked for the documents my tutor presented to us during the tutorial, so hopefully I can get all that and have it all printed for myself to look at and write notes on.

But other than that and getting on with Uni work, I'll probably be checking out Net-juu no Susume (Recovery of an MMO Junkie) and will potentially check out both Love Live! and its sequel Love Live! Sunshine.

I still need to work on my RPG. Been neglecting that for god knows how long. Need to also post the current one online for some of us to try out.

Spoiler: Yuri pic of the day~

 

[Burgundy]

Ffamran , you may be in luck. With the new Holy War banner, it’s very likely that Arvis will be a GHB, as a red Mage

 

[LordTakeo]

Oh yeah, before I forget... saw someone talk about Fe Warriors.

How's the characters so far? I saw playstyles, but in terms of powers, is the difference hard inbetween them, or is it barely noticeable, considering their stats?

 

[Lorde]

Deirdre and Sigurd look cool

Tailtiu is the obvious 4* drop from the banner, and she doesn’t look like she’ll be very unique. Sigurd being a mage tank will be an interesting niche (the only other red sword cavalry that can do that is Eliwood, but he can't tank as effectively thanks to Sigurd's weapon and B passive).

I guess Arvis is all but confirmed now. I know it's super unlikely, but I want him to be an armored mage. IS might not want to introduce that into the game, though

 

[Burgundy]

I’m annoyed that they’re introducing a new Quick Riposte unit and she’s all but confirmed to be 5 Star exclusive. >:I

 

[Lorde]

If you think skills like L&D3 and QR3 are going to drop down to 4* anytime soon, then you're only going to set yourself up for disappointment

 

[Eddie The Pacifist]

Long Term, Pokemon Amie in Pokemon X and Y is somewhat busted. All you have to do is spend 30 minutes to max out affection on a Pokemon and they gain increased evasiveness, chances of critical hits and the ability to endure an otherwise deadly attack.
With Six Pokemon, that makes 3 hours, which isn't that much compared to the overall game.
Also the mini games in it aren't that bad.

 

[Lavani]

Oh yeah, before I forget... saw someone talk about Fe Warriors.

How's the characters so far? I saw playstyles, but in terms of powers, is the difference hard inbetween them, or is it barely noticeable, considering their stats?

It can be big in some cases - Lyn hits sword users harder than Hinoka does - but Corrin's the only character that feels obviously worse than others to me, and that has more to do with her attacks than her stats (though her stats aren't good either).

 

[LordTakeo]

It can be big in some cases - Lyn hits sword users harder than Hinoka does - but Corrin's the only character that feels obviously worse than others to me, and that has more to do with her attacks than her stats (though her stats aren't good either).

How do they work? Just am afraid that I'll not be able to enjoy Anna as much as I hope her to be, because she'll be demolished cause of stat reasons.

And hey, Lyn doing good seems fun.

 

[Berserker.]

the zelda modding community has reached further beyond

 

[Lavani]

How do they work? Just am afraid that I'll not be able to enjoy Anna as much as I hope her to be, because she'll be demolished cause of stat reasons.

And hey, Lyn doing good seems fun.

I went over stats two pages back, but to shorten it to offensive stats,

Strength/Magic are your physical/magical attack. There's a weapon trait that lets you swap which stat you use.
Skill influences damage from musou and criticals, which is where most of your damage is going to come from.
Luck increases the defense-ignoring effects of the skill Moonlight. Enemies don't have visible stats, so I'm still unsure how big a difference this makes.

Compared to Takumi and Sakura, Anna has the lowest attack stats, is #2 for Skill, and has the highest Luck (in the entire game). As for how that translates to gameplay, she'll be worse than Takumi, but she's still totally fine as a character.

 

[Lorde]

#46res

Spoiler

 

[LordTakeo]

I went over stats two pages back, but to shorten it to offensive stats,

Strength/Magic are your physical/magical attack. There's a weapon trait that lets you swap which stat you use.
Skill influences damage from musou and criticals, which is where most of your damage is going to come from.
Luck increases the defense-ignoring effects of the skill Moonlight. Enemies don't have visible stats, so I'm still unsure how big a difference this makes.

Compared to Takumi and Sakura, Anna has the lowest attack stats, is #2 for Skill, and has the highest Luck (in the entire game). As for how that translates to gameplay, she'll be worse than Takumi, but she's still totally fine as a character.

Thanks for the rundown! Kinda disheartening to see her atk stat suffering in comparison, but atleast she got respectable level of Def&Res. Eh, it's a warriors game, so not like I won't enjoy murdering masses anyways.

 

[Ffamran]

Ffamran , you may be in luck. With the new Holy War banner, it’s very likely that Arvis will be a GHB, as a red Mage

I know... *looks at all the orbs I spent in a frenzy last night* I... I just want another happy, goofy-looking Olivia.

I’m annoyed that they’re introducing a new Quick Riposte unit and she’s all but confirmed to be 5 Star exclusive. >:I

I expected Deirdre to have Renewal and Miracle as her skills instead of Ardent Sacrifice and QR. She can heal in Genealogy of the Holy War, so AS makes sense to reference that, but QR is weird since Deirdre, according to her wiki page, starts with a Circlet (and Aura and Silence Staff) and has Nihil as her skill. Circlet is basically Miracle and Renewal which she doesn't have in Heroes by default. Guard would have made more sense on her than QR because of Nihil.

Speaking of B-skills that would have made sense, Tailtiu has Wrath in Genealogy of the Holy War. Meanwhile, in Heroes. Also, she reminds me of Botan from Yu Yu Hakusho for some reason.

 

[Y2Kay]

I lost all my braincells for a moment and pulled a white stone, so now I have two Olivia's! Y A Y!

Should I merge them? Distant Def 3 isn't as useful.

 

[Lorde]

Distant Def 3 isn't as useful.

T R I G G E R E D

 

[Ffamran]

I lost all my braincells for a moment and pulled a white stone, so now I have two Olivia's! Y A Y!

Should I merge them? Distant Def 3 isn't as useful.

Why can't I have one PA Olivia?

Also, screw the Paralogue 11 chain challenge. Freaking tank Ike and M!Robin getting doubled twice by Galeforce Roy. The sad part was that everyone who wasn't Lyn was hard to deal with. The Holy War chain challenge will probably going be just as annoying with Sigurd tanking everything.

 

[Cress!]

I lost all my braincells for a moment

Distant Def 3 isn't as useful.

It seems like they're still lost

 

[LordTakeo]

I lost all my braincells for a moment and pulled a white stone, so now I have two Olivia's! Y A Y!

Should I merge them? Distant Def 3 isn't as useful.

Well, if you got a decent IV spread on one, and want to keep expanding onto that, like a +atk -def for a poison-dagger build.
I'd totally roll for a third, and merge for the extra speed+atk/res.

Geez, I wish I didn't had -atk...

 

[Burgundy]

I still wanna use Seliph cause he seems pretty fun and he has a cute voice, but every Seliph I’ve gotten has been -Def ;-; hopefully a 4 Star will show up sometime soon. The 4 Stars may be more common now, but it still gives me 4 Star Stahls instead of some of the cooler swords >:I

 

[Lil Puddin]

Late night summonings. Don't do this because your judgement is poor when you're tired. Color sniping has never worked for me. I summoned another Shigure from a full pull after Raigh's shenanigans in a summon with four reds and one blue; +Atk, but -Res Camilla showed up, and I finally summoned another Cherche... But at what cost? Olivia, why? It's like with bride Cordelia again... ;_;

Spoiler: The 83rd Summon sort of

You got Shigure??? AAAAAAAAAAAA

My pity rate was broken when I was trying to get him so I could have a functioning Matt Mercer Team of husbandos. Ryoma, Bunny Chrom, and Shigure would be the perfect trio. Especially because Shigure is probably going to be the only time we get Singer Shigure/Singer Matt Mercer. Though I guess I'm not allowed to be mad that Nephenee is the one who blocked me from keeping my pity rate. I'll just have to dry my intense amount of angry-but-mostly-sad tears and carry on.

 

[Y2Kay]

T R I G G E R E D

Not everyone is bulding a mage slayer Niles.

It's definitely a good A slot skill, but I don't see myself putting it on many units compared to Fury, LnD, X Blow, etc.

 

[Lorde]

Not everyone is bulding a mage slayer Niles.

It's definitely a good A slot skill, but I don't see myself putting it on many units compared to Fury, LnD, X Blow, etc.

Now that it’s possible to upgrade sacred seals, Distant Defense is even better since you can stack the skill with the seal to get +12 def/res. Put both of them on a tanky unit like Marx and you’re all set to destroy some heauxes

Seriously, the skill is super good on Marx and he’s a good candidate for inheriting it

 

[Burgundy]

I’m glad I still haven’t found the motivation to replace Distant Defense on my Celica. Now with the seal she can actually have good defenses and bait mages and such
I knew it would be good eventually :D but I actually just didn’t wanna but L&D 3 again rip

 

[Lil Puddin]

I agree Distant Defense is good, though I really like Brave Ike's skill and Black Knight's skill that gives DEF regardless of range, so it works better for units meant to be physical tanks.

It's STUPIDLY good now, probably to fend off Brave Heaux Of The Plains. I want Close DEF now and Wrathful Staff or a teleport thing.

 

[LordTakeo]

DD is too good on too many units. Even F!Robin with a raventome could use it, alongside bowbreaker, and finish off even cancel affinity users, thanks to her not relying on TA.

But I guess most people use it like me, and do this.

Spoiler

 

[EODM07]

Afternoon everyone. How're you all doing?

I just feel rather tired today, but out and about all morning. Also, forgot that Splatoon 2 got a patch; had a quick look and seems like the Tenta Brella did get buffed, but the Aerosprays were left unchanged. smh

I also had a pretty bad run in Ranked as well, I'll most definitely be stuck at S and nothing more. I still blame the Aerospray users since they're the biggest pain in the backside to deal with. :x

Spoiler: Yuri pic of the day~

 

[Lorde]

DD is too good on too many units. Even F!Robin with a raventome could use it, alongside bowbreaker, and finish off even cancel affinity users, thanks to her not relying on TA.

But I guess most people use it like me, and do this.

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With Naga-tome, she reaches +14 Def/Res by being attacked. She does not get damaged by Reinhards at all anymore, and tanks even B!Lyn's.
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My FC is 5067145222 if you want to add me in Heroes.

This is my Julia:

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[Lil Puddin]

DD is too good on too many units. Even F!Robin with a raventome could use it, alongside bowbreaker, and finish off even cancel affinity users, thanks to her not relying on TA.

But I guess most people use it like me, and do this.

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~ W I S E • G O R L ~ confirmed.

That's a nice Julia build and not a common one too. I personally don't like Julia as a unit, but she's cute as a character. If Distant DEF 3 could be obtained easier I think I'd like her as a unit since that's what I'd put on her too. Her book helps her out, so giving her Distant DEF just makes more sense than Fury 3 or whatever filler option people go for these days.

 

[Ffamran]

You got Shigure??? AAAAAAAAAAAA

My pity rate was broken when I was trying to get him so I could have a functioning Matt Mercer Team of husbandos. Ryoma, Bunny Chrom, and Shigure would be the perfect trio. Especially because Shigure is probably going to be the only time we get Singer Shigure/Singer Matt Mercer. Though I guess I'm not allowed to be mad that Nephenee is the one who blocked me from keeping my pity rate. I'll just have to dry my intense amount of angry-but-mostly-sad tears and carry on.

It's my second Shigure. ._.

Inigo and (first) Shigure are fine, especially since they and PA Olivia are the only ranged dancers in the game, so they can abuse ranged shenanigans like mages being able to have WTA against colorless units and being able to use -blade tomes and thieves have debuffs and Poison Dagger, so there's that. Second Shigure is a disappointment when +Def, -HP doesn't really do anything useful for him; he drops down from 34 HP to 31 and goes up from 21 defense to 24. First Shigure at least can tank magic and use Iceberg well by being +Res, -Def.

I just remembered that I summoned two Elincias on the last banner while trying to get Nephenee. Now it's two Shigures while trying to get PA Olivia (and Azura). -____-

Anyway, I think I might build a Florina. She's just sitting around doing nothing; I've never given anyone Ardent Sacrifice or Darting Blow, so she's just there taking up space along with every other freeloader in my barracks. At least I could dump Iceberg/Glacies on her if I do build her. Probably going to go with a mage tank build with Berkut's Lance to replace her Heavy Lance -- why does she have this stupid thing.

 

[Cress!]

tbh once the FE4 banner goes up, I'm going to try for Tailtiu just so I can use her as Blarblade fodder for Bride Caeda. Maybe I'll try and get Drive Spd on her as well since it's a nice skill and all.

Spoiler: DRV3 spoilers

 

[Lavani]

Okay, I guess I shouldn't trust everything I read

Skill influences damage from musou and criticals

Doing some testing right now on a specific myrmidon, Skill does not affect criticals. Sakura has higher Magic than Takumi's Strength and less than half Takumi's Skill, and does more damage with C5+crit than he does. Ryouma has higher Strength and lower Skill than Lyn, but also crits for more.

Also some skill damage comparisons,

Takumi C5+crit, no skills

With Trample

With Moonlight (110 Luck)

The boost from Str/Mag+10 is pretty minor. I forgot to take a screenshot, but it's less than Trample's boost. In light of that, I'd probably guess Luck+20 is better, and Skill+10 is entirely unnecessary. Learning that Luck's much better and Skill's much worse than I thought is probably going to shift my character opinions quite a bit, but I'll need to get Caeda and Elise leveled and geared to mess with that more.

This also probably explains why Robin's been seeming oddly weak to me recently. At lower levels she was seeming better than Elise/Leon, when I didn't have skills on anyone. But at endgame her damage is starting to look pathetic, and it's likely because her garbage Luck doesn't let her pierce defenses much with Moonlight.

Edit: Actually I'm gonna need to test with Luck more. If it ends up being overkill for Moonlight at some point, there wouldn't be any real point in trying to max it.

Edit2: Luck+20 looks like it gives a boost somewhere between Strength+10 and Trample against the same test subject. I wouldn't expect him to have extreme defenses, and Takumi's base luck is quite high, so it's probably a safe pick always.

Edit3: Two theories. Either 2 Luck is effectively 1 Str/Mag, or it's actually 1:1 and I capped -def on that enemy. I got bored and sorted all characters by their superior atk stat+Luck for either scenario:

Spoiler: atk+(Luck*0.5)

Spoiler: atk+Luck

 

[Ffamran]

tbh once the FE4 banner goes up, I'm going to try for Tailtiu just so I can use her as Blarblade fodder for Bride Caeda. Maybe I'll try and get Drive Spd on her as well since it's a nice skill and all.

I'm going to try for Tailtiu just so I can use her as Blarblade fodder for Bride Caeda.

use her as Blarblade fodder for Bride Caeda.

use her as Blarblade fodder

Here's a sad Odin.

For an easy payment of up to 22,000 feathers, you can make Odin feel happy that he's somewhat useful.

 

[Lorde]

F!Corrin unsurprisingly lost to Ninian

Even with basically constant multipliers at the end, F!Corrin still couldn’t cheese out the win

Rip in pieces