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ZombieBran

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I was in For Fun FFAs (feel free to judge me) and I saw a "MileyCyrus". This player proceeded to use Greninja and uptilt all day with its tongue. He then did small crawling steps, as if he were twerking. It was the best experience I've had in For Fun.

Anyway I just read "there's nothing sexist in video games" in this thread and HA
HA
Who can even think that?
I'll be quiet now but HAHAHAHAHA

I don't play Zelda often but when I do I plop on Din's Flare because that move is so hype. I'm like a Black Mage casting Fire and things go boom.

Just I finally bothered getting Customs for Zelda. Whatever. I wanted to play a mage esque fighter and Robin won't work because he is dweeb city.
Too bad Robin can actually hit with her black magic:secretkpop:
 
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Morning girls. How's everyone doing? :4zelda:

Just had my breakfast and when I got up, I saw a spider on my wall. That definitely woke me up, so I caught it and threw it out my window. But I'm seeing less of those creepy crawlies now that I clean my room every Thursday. :3

Also, I'm about to do some Uni work while watching the VGBC stream, plus watching a little bit of Vinesauce too. (Oh, new JonTron btw if anyone is interested. Episode 4 of StarCade.)

 
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^How do you know the horned one is a girl?
The thing is that no matter how bad something is, if you decide not to get offended you just won't.

If you decide that a trend is an attack and take it personal is your own problem.

:196:
I think somethings are offensive and intended to be. Taking offense is a natural reaction to say, child molestation as the focus of a fictional thing. With freedom of speech comes the freedom to criticize. Being offended doesn't give the right to violently lash out or break the law of course. :ohwell:
So overall an amazing birthday. 10/10


Yes you are. And I am one of those people who gives it.
Here are the facts, there isn't anything sexist going on in the industry,
Happy birthday :b:

I think there is sexism in gaming or potentially any industry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDysmrC7PkU
Like at 10:10 in this (Ride to Hell). I agree with what Pro Jarad says. That's sexist, why deny it? Heck I'll criticize that piece of trash of a game. But like I said, they have the right to make it, and people have the right to criticize for whatever reason.

On the flip-side, sex sells. I admit to buying a certain all female wrestling game for sex appeal :rolleyes:. I wouldn't criticize anyone for going to a strip club or disagree with people pointing out it's sexist. As long as the workers (which could be women or men to be fair) aren't abused, get a living wage, are there by choice, etc. This goes back to freedom of expression and social responsibility.

You vote with your money. Don't like a game: don't buy it.
 
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ZombieBran

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More often then not the only Black Magic Robin has is Nosferatu. Which will probably miss.
Well, there's Thunder/etc, Elwind, and Arcfire.
If you count Din's Flare as black magic, then surely those count!
Also, only mediocre Robins miss often with Nosferatu. I say this as a mediocre Robin. :secretkpop:
 
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dying rn brb
To be honest, the joke is literally lost on me for this one. Different cultures, I guess. :ohwell:
~Reading historical documents of Confederate leaders and you come across the quote "Its foundations are laid... upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man..."~

I hate American history.
I'm not knowledgeable in American history but my guess that there was a time when people thought people of other races or skin colour are lower than the white man.
Morning girls. How's everyone doing? :4zelda:
Evening~

I left the hospital about a couple hours ago and I'm now back home. Feels so great to be able to walk again.
My friends and family are also coming over to visit me later today so that's exiting.

I've been playing Smash non stop since yesterday. I want to get back into the game before the tournament. Although, I'm still not sure of who should I main but I have a cool idea that I always wanted to try.
 
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Evening~

I left the hospital about a couple hours ago and I'm now back home. Feels so great to be able to walk again.
My friends and family are also coming over to visit me later today so that's exiting.

I've been playing Smash non stop since yesterday. I want to get back into the game before the tournament. Although, I'm still not sure of who should I main but I have a cool idea that I always wanted to try.
Glad to hear you're out the hospital. Hope you'll be doing better soon.
As for a main... why not go best Queen Zelda? :secretkpop:
Or go Mii. Depends on who else you play as well.
 

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Glad to hear you're out the hospital. Hope you'll be doing better soon.
As for a main... why not go best Queen Zelda? :secretkpop:
Or go Mii. Depends on who else you play as well.
NO, she's Trash remember? :secretkpop:

I've been thinking of going random or choosing based on MUs.
 

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NO, she's Trash remember? :secretkpop:

I've been thinking of going random or choosing based on MUs.
I forgot. We're not @ |ven| |ven| , we can't make her look good. ;w;

If I ever do go to a tournament. I'll most likely stick it out with Roy and maybe Bowser. Since I lack faith in my Shulk and Lucina.

Plus I can at least do some decent stuff with Roy like (FAir > DJ > FAir > UpB) and do some fun shenanigans with Bowser like the Claw Cancel and what I did to @ r_greening1 r_greening1 and @Estel Elessar with his Flame Breath.
 
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So I heard that @ChileZeRo will be not attending Paragon and taking a 3 week break.

My thoughts on this were:
"Thank god, someone else can finally have the limelight for once!"

And...
"Well, he has burned himself out from playing a game that's almost a year old, so he does deserve the time off."

At least he can catch up on some of his anime. :secretkpop:
I wonder if he's watching D-Frag! or something like Gintama. :3



Edit: Page steal! <3
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The Falcon dash-grab thread got locked.
Oh... well... Nobody gave a valid reason to explain the video I posted, so everyone wants Falcon nerfed clearly!
NERF•FALCON

But the entire thread prerty much turned into "He has no results, so he's bad!!!!!"
"But he's too good but doesn't have results like Yoshi"
"Ur dumb!"
"No ur dumb!"

And then I'm there posting videos and lab tests and everyone just ignores it.
lazypoolplz.gif
 
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Will post later & ****. Currently at a pizza place with glass bottled Coke & a lemon ^_^
I like to pretend you are sitting with them in the booth and acting like they are your friends.
 

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Here are the facts, there isn't anything sexist going on in the industry
what.

Ubisoft "Animating women is too hard": http://www.theglobeandmail.com/tech...s-women-from-assassins-creed/article19138168/

Female devleopers pulls out of pax due to death threats: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-game-designer-drops-out-of-convention-over-death-threats/ (WARNING: Threats are copy-pasted in the article, so beware)

sexism in the industry: http://gamasutra.com/blogs/Jennifer...he_Reality_of_Sexism_in_the_Game_Industry.php

Please educate yourself before making comments like these, regardless of your opinion on Anita Sarkeesian.
 
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CPR training right now.

I'm an expert because I've heard "How to Save a Life" by The Fray like a million times.
 
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I have finally concluded that the worst thing in the world is when you're driving around, wearing a black shirt with gray shorts, taking in all the heat from your car that feels like it's exceeding 100°, then returning home and having to change everything you were wearing because sweat.

I shower in the mornings, I don't have time for this heat.
 

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I have finally concluded that the worst thing in the world is when you're driving around, wearing a black shirt with gray shorts, taking in all the heat from your car that feels like it's exceeding 100°, then returning home and having to change everything you were wearing because sweat.

I shower in the mornings, I don't have time for this heat.
I love that kind of heat :D


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So at work there are these posters that are supposed to encourage safety, but they just look like horror movie ads.

 
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I have finally concluded that the worst thing in the world is when you're driving around, wearing a black shirt with gray shorts, taking in all the heat from your car that feels like it's exceeding 100°, then returning home and having to change everything you were wearing because sweat.

I shower in the mornings, I don't have time for this heat.
Funny that I'm suppose to be a summer person because I was born in the summer. Guess I'm not that much into the summer heat myself. Lucky for me, I wear usually bright coloured clothes.

Because remember. Dark colours absorb heat, Light colours reflect heat. :yeahboi:
 

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The thing is that no matter how bad something is, if you decide not to get offended you just won't.

If you decide that a trend is an attack and take it personal is your own problem.

:196:
Perfect. Exactly. Offense is not given only taken. You always know the perfect thing to say about things. : D

Be honest -- have you actually watched most of her videos? Even people that don't like her usually admit that there is truth to her message, even if they disagree about how much.

People accuse of her of being "radical," but statements like "there isn't anything sexist going on in the industry" are way more extreme than anything she's said in her videos, in my opinion.

Also whether or not someone should have the freedom to make any character they want or to make any game design choices they want doesn't refute the substance of her argument. She's not arguing whether someone should be legally allowed to make these portrayals of female characters; she's simply analyzing trends of female representation in video games.

Personally, I thought this was one of her better videos.
I don't know how many I've seen, but off the top of my head, damsals in distress and the NPC one come to mind.

Her damsals in distress should be obvious why it is wrong. Not everyone is the hero. Not everyone has these super powers that allow them to escape.

When she talked about Peach, she neglected all the mario spin-off games where she can be a great or overall a character who can put up a fight.

Heck, what about the main games? You are saving more than just peach a lot of the times.

In SMB and Lost Levels, you are also saving toads and the people trapped in blocks. You know, a huge chunk of males vastly outnumbering that one girl?

SMB3 You are saving 7 kings. Which is also more then that one girl peach. And they were kings. According to feminists, this supposed "patriarchy" would've made these character be able to beat bowser. And why can't they? Because Mario is the one who is super. (Also Luigi). Mario is the one with the courage and powers to take on Bowser.

Also, Super Mario World you are rescuing Yoshis.

Sure, Peach is the main objective. But thats because Bowser has the hots for her. Is he suppose to not kidnap her when he is a villain? Villain does whatever they can to get what they want.

This of course ignoring SMB2 and SM3DW where peach, (and Rosalina in the latter one), are playable. And before you say SMB2 was just a dream so it can't count, it technically wasn't. From what I understand, Subcon was a dream world. That means it wasn't just Mario dreaming up the whole place, rather it was more like you could only access it by sleeping. If you played pokemon black and white with it's dream world, it was essentially that. These things still had physical consequences if you failed.

Then she went on about Zelda which was also just as meh. Don't play Zelda a lot so I can't do it justice, but I'm pretty sure there were plenty of moments where Zelda is more than just the person who was kidnapped.

Now for NPCs, which is probably the most important one I see because she establishes the idea of objectification. One thing I need to stress is that, in a literal term, everyone and everything in a video game is an object. Even if we are to assume that characters are written to be the very best characters ever...they are still objects. They will never have control over there own lives because we are the ones who do the controlling.

However, the most important thing to take away from it is that we are free to interpret the object however way we want. So going back to Damsals in Distress, even though showing woman as weak is one thing feminist like to complain about it this idea that being a Damsal makes every woman everywhere look weak, there is also this idea that people feel a sense of reward for rescuing someone because they are a girl. This isn't always the case. People could very well be satisfied for saving a character because they liked the character after all.

There is also killing woman. One thing she brings up is killing of prostitutes oh something and also them existing. We first don't need an overly detailed backstory on why they are one. Second, killing one in a video game doesn't mean anything and will never mean anything. She talks about how you get rewarded for it, (showing a clip of getting penalized), but there is a big fat so what? There is still no study that scenes like this negatively impact anyone. If it is a thing you can do in a game than it is just a thing you can do in a game, and because of interpretations, many people will have different ways of viewing or handling a situation.

People accuse of her of being "radical," but statements like "there isn't anything sexist going on in the industry" are way more extreme than anything she's said in her videos, in my opinion.
Is it though? Can you prove that people are actually sexist? With evidence? Or do I listen and believe? Ok. If what Miyamoto making Peach a kidnappable princess was sexist, then prove it. Prove that Miyamoto was trying to bring woman down when he made peach. Unless you are trying to imply the gaming industry is unintentionally sexist which sjws need to realize is extremely hard to be. Especially when every study seems to point towards video games having no effect on behavior. Kids seeing woman with big breast isn't going to make them expect all woman to have woman have big breasts or make them want woman with big breasts, (and even if the latter was correct, so what? It's people's preference. You should have no say in it.)

Also whether or not someone should have the freedom to make any character they want or to make any game design choices they want doesn't refute the substance of her argument. She's not arguing whether someone should be legally allowed to make these portrayals of female characters; she's simply analyzing trends of female representation in video games.
And why is she analyzing? Because she wants change and the recognition that comes with changing something. There is no simply about it. I mean, if she just simply wanted to analyze games, why is she going to feminist conventions to speak about feminism?

I don't think you understand SJWs. Even if they can have good intentions, what they overall want is to be recognized for changing something. Take games journalists reactions to 2014 e3 and 2015 e3.

Their reaction to 2014's was outrage due to the lack of female characters, but in 2015 they praised it for having lots of them. Which is weird, because 2014 had more female characters. So why did the journalists do that? Why it is simple, because they wanted to be recognized as the people who made the change. They were outraged that there was apparently a lack of female characters, so when the next e3 comes around, and these female characters magically appear they can point at themselves and go, "we did that."

And then what about you? Why did you come here bringing in an Anita video despite knowing full well that you would get flak for it? Because you wanted to make a change.

Here's the bottom line, there is no evidence to suggest anything that goes with female characters in the gaming industry is sexist.

I think there is sexism in gaming or potentially any industry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDysmrC7PkU
Like at 10:10 in this (Ride to Hell). I agree with what Pro Jarad says. That's sexist, why deny it? Heck I'll criticize that piece of trash of a game. But like I said, they have the right to make it, and people have the right to criticize for whatever reason.
Why deny it? Because is it? I mean, yeah it is stupid, but what about sexist. What is sexist about it? Because it has girls you have...well what that game considers sex? Why is that sexist? Does that make games like huniepop sexist? (Which was made by a majority of girls IIRC).

I mean sure sure, the girls are badly designed, but just throwing around the word sexist solves nothing. Especially when being called a misogynist is the greatest sin nowadays. Nobel prize winners lose JOBS and CAREERS because of that word.

Bit of advice. Nothing is black and white. You can't just look at something and say, "thats sexist." You have to think about whys.

For example, why do those girls exist in Ride to hell? Because the game wanted to be edgy. It was a game about motorcycle gangs after all. It's all about that drugs, sex and rock and roll. Now, am I justifying what they are doing, no. But am I going to say it is sexist? No. It is just bad. Nothing more nothing less.
 

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what.

Ubisoft "Animating women is too hard": http://www.theglobeandmail.com/tech...s-women-from-assassins-creed/article19138168/

Female devleopers pulls out of pax due to death threats: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-game-designer-drops-out-of-convention-over-death-threats/ (WARNING: Threats are copy-pasted in the article, so beware)

sexism in the industry: http://gamasutra.com/blogs/Jennifer...he_Reality_of_Sexism_in_the_Game_Industry.php

Please educate yourself before making comments like these, regardless of your opinion on Anita Sarkeesian.
There's also this: http://www.siliconera.com/2015/09/02/did-capcom-give-cammy-a-stealth-makeover-for-street-fighter-v/, which Kotaku somehow found out through another source that not only is it sexist, but racist too: http://kotaku.com/after-complaints-street-fighters-cammy-looks-kinda-dif-1727915517. Talk about killing two birds with one stone.

On another note, Pikachu dance party!
 

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I just watched Hungrybox do the most amazing Rest in Smash 4. o_o

He was playing against one of his viewers who was a :4villager:, he got them under Dreamland, then he hit them with a Rest. They didn't tech and they died.

My reaction:
 

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I go back to school tomorrow

then I have a four day weekend

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Hey all talking about the sexism in video games talk, is this really the right place to try to have a critical talk on a subject like this? We outlawed political talk here for similar possible hot mess-ness.
 
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