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[SBphiloz4]

Tink is her worst MU

I really can't see how he can be worst than ZSS or Mac. Unless you purposely run into his Bthrow near the ledge and die at 100% lol. It's kind of like fighting Link but the projectiles are slightly more troublesome to deal with.

Link is p easy

I'm really not sure how these two similar characters can be so different where Link trades somewhat easier to deal with projectiles for better kill power.

Marth's hard to punish and kills us at like 20%

Sure, he's hard to punish to an extent, and can kill at 20% if he put you EXACTLY where he wants you to be. Not like he'll be able to do that every time tho, which otherwise means you're dying a lot later = more rage for Zelda.

Lucina isn't hard to punish and can't kill til 85%

This statement highly concerns me.

 

[Soul.]

I'd say even

is this like the Puff MU thread saying they win the Pikachu MU when they are wrong
all zelda has on pikachu is the ability to KO early with farore's. tall frame, lightweight and laggy moves hurt her.
zelda's tall frame is a huge problem for her. we can do **** with FAir alone---lmao jk that's hyperbole

 

[Macchiato]

I've ben frequenting this social for how long.....
And I still can't do jack squat against Zelda lmao
My two best characters are great MUs for her and crap for me
And coincidentally the Zelda's I've played are really good players
And they've all come from here

Kirby is even. Even at the Kirby boards its even.

Also I really feel like I need to make this point, Zelda is godawful & she has next to little chance of being viable further down the line (unless she gets buffed incredibly hard, which is unlikely since she is one of the best FFA fighters in the game). In a sense we are on borrowed time. We've only have a short amount of time until people start figuring out how to deal with Zelda, & once people have done that we are almost done for. However, in the mean time, we can give other characters hell, & once we really get the grips of the Elevator, she has the potential to not be completely forgotten about (unlike Samus).

Exactly she has potential to not be forgotten but sometimes it just feels like you all kinda don't even try

 

[Macchiato]

I've ben frequenting this social for how long.....
And I still can't do jack squat against Zelda lmao
My two best characters are great MUs for her and crap for me
And coincidentally the Zelda's I've played are really good players
And they've all come from here

Kirby is even. Even at the Kirby boards its even.

Also I really feel like I need to make this point, Zelda is godawful & she has next to little chance of being viable further down the line (unless she gets buffed incredibly hard, which is unlikely since she is one of the best FFA fighters in the game). In a sense we are on borrowed time. We've only have a short amount of time until people start figuring out how to deal with Zelda, & once people have done that we are almost done for. However, in the mean time, we can give other characters hell, & once we really get the grips of the Elevator, she has the potential to not be completely forgotten about (unlike Samus).

Exactly she has potential to not be forgotten but sometimes it just feels like you all kinda don't even try

 

[Rizen]

LOL WIFI HELPING ZELDA LMAO

How many times have you played offline?

 

[Gay Ginger]

Omg do I actually agree with @ Macchiato on a matter concerning Zelda?!

Wifi makes Nayru's and FW more effective but her move-set requires too much precision and input lag can throw that WAY off. And since Zelda relies a lot on counter-offensive play, it's hard when you can't counter an opponent's attack with her transcendent moves because it literally came out of nowhere and your input was off because of lag.

And she relies heavily on punishing, and wifi often lets characteres escape punishment.

She's probably not the worst character for wifi, but lag screws her over a lot more than other characters.

Off-stage play is also harder in lag and that's one of the few areas she's actually good in lol.

 

[Macchiato]

How many times have you played offline?

A lot more than you think. I've only been playing offline these past weeks gorl. Offline its easier to land sweetspots, and Farore's wind doesnt **** you up.

 

[Moydow]

@EODM07 I'm missing your third replay clip (Bowser vs. Lucario on Smashville?)
apparently you sent it to @ SBphiloz4 but not me

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

Kirby is even. Even at the Kirby boards its even.

Exactly she has potential to not be forgotten but sometimes it just feels like you all kinda don't even try

Link tho
Just started Pika so idek yet
Is it even?
60-40 ?

 

[Macchiato]

is this like the Puff MU thread saying they win the Pikachu MU when they are wrong
all zelda has on pikachu is the ability to KO early with farore's. tall frame, lightweight and laggy moves hurt her.
zelda's tall frame is a huge problem for her. we can do **** with FAir alone---lmao jk that's hyperbole

She has more range, pikachu gets most his kills by gimping which he can't with Zelda and he has trouble killing. He's more punishable than sheik.

 

[SBphiloz4]

You can get away with more things in WiFi like Nayru's and Farore's. You can also hope that your opponent screws up more online too

But in exchange RIP Dthrow combos and Dtilt edgeguards. You also have to deal with Zelda's already slow and laggy moveset in a lag environment. But hey, wifi lag can screw up the same edgeguarding tactics against you so it's a matter of preference.

I know I like offline Zelda more, but @ Alacion prefers online Zelda.

 

[Ffamran]

Duck Hunt (Dog) apparently can wall jump, Mewtwo's wall jump sounds so weird... Squishy... Also, @ FullMoon , MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Welcome to the F-tier for wall jumping! Join the Falco-tier! JOIN IT! Unfortunately, I don't think this wall jump study tests height. Was posted on the home page, by the way.

 

[Macchiato]

Link tho
Just started Pika so idek yet
Is it even?
60-40 ?

Zelda beats link...

Pikachu, I think its even.

 

[FullMoon]

Duck Hunt (Dog) apparently can wall jump, Mewtwo's wall jump sounds so weird... Squishy... Also, @ FullMoon , MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Welcome to the F-tier for wall jumping! Join the Falco-tier! JOIN IT! Unfortunately, I don't think this wall jump study tests height. Was posted on the home page, by the way.

Who needs wall jumping when you can just wall cling and then jump with that wonderful jump height? =V

 

[Lavani]

Greninja's actual wall jump is pretty "bad', but you can do a normal jump from a wall cling and Greninja's jump from that is stellar.

The tiny regular wall jump has some situational use anyway, like walljumping off the ledge to quickly bair when returning to the stage.

 

[UkeNicky]

Hey everyone! I've been away for a while because of in-real-life shenanigans and such. I've also been playing Anarchy Reigns again because it's the best game ever and anyone with a PS3 needs to buy it cuz it's cheap and the community is cool.

Anyways, Imma try to post here more often again and grace all of you with my presence because I miss being a part of this crazy thread, literally this has to be the coolest little thread of amazing people and I love y'all.

Except for @ Macchiato
You I can never love jk

 

[Ffamran]

Greninja's actual wall jump is pretty "bad', but you can do a normal jump from a wall cling and Greninja's jump from that is stellar.

The tiny regular wall jump has some situational use anyway, like walljumping off the ledge to quickly bair when returning to the stage.

Little Mac's wall jump is massive. Meanwhile, Dr. Mario...

 

[Antonykun]

I don't think those are her MUS

+2:
imo

 

[Soul.]

She has more range, pikachu gets most his kills by gimping which he can't with Zelda and he has trouble killing. He's more punishable than sheik.

everyone is more punishable than sheik lol
also, once zelda's in the air she can't land. we can obviously avoid getting hit by farore's.
nayru's is ****ing annoying though, might as well bait the thing and get a punish

 

[Burgundy]

Dear Roll Glory:
Please stop using that ugly ass "Shadow" alt. it's gross.
- Burgundy

 

[Antonykun]

Spoiler: jojobob

 

[McKnightlíght]

Yesterday I got a Peach to hit herself with a stitch face because of Nayru's.

That match-up is terrible for Zelda, but the turnip catching and reflecting is super fun to play with. I have a save where I reflect a turnip then it hits Peach and I catch it off her face. It's just so funny.

 

[Alacion]

You can get away with more things in WiFi like Nayru's and Farore's. You can also hope that your opponent screws up more online too

But in exchange RIP Dthrow combos and Dtilt edgeguards. You also have to deal with Zelda's already slow and laggy moveset in a lag environment. But hey, wifi lag can screw up the same edgeguarding tactics against you so it's a matter of preference.

I know I like offline Zelda more, but @ Alacion prefers online Zelda.

I don't prefer online Zelda lol. Most of my practise is online though.

 

[S.F.L.R_9]

Dear Roll Glory:
Please stop using that ugly *** "Shadow" alt. it's gross.
- Burgundy

Personally, I would have made this the message:

Dear Roll Glory:
Please stop
- Burgundy

 

[UkeNicky]

Spoiler: jojobob

Spoiler: jojobob

I was like "wtf is this?"

But I liked it because of tongue action

 

[Koiba]

Dear Roll Glory:
Please stop using that ugly *** "Shadow" alt. it's gross.
- Burgundy

lol that was my reaction when I saw it

Trailer:

Holy s*it that looks sick

Actual gameplay

Ew it's so gross

So now I do the toothpaste one

 

[Rizen]

Zelda beats link online...

Fixed. What people have you played offline?

 

[Gay Ginger]

miiverse is the new grindr LOL

Spoiler

I will say though that it's great he stopped right away both times when she said she didn't want to, instead of trying to convince her. A+ for real.

 

[Antonykun]

I was like "wtf is this?"

But I liked it because of tongue action

 

[Alacion]

Rolling is manageable in FG. Punishes are way easier offline obviously.

Not sure why people complain about rolling but not spotdodging which is 10x worse.

 

[evmaxy54]

Kirby is even. Even at the Kirby boards its even.

Exactly she has potential to not be forgotten but sometimes it just feels like you all kinda don't even try

Who's been getting Top 5 on every tourney he/she has entered (be it online or offline, either predominately or soloing Zelda)? Who's been trying to figure out %s for particular combos to work on particular characters? Who's top 5 in their region, where the others of the Top 5 use top/high tier threats like Rosalina, Peach, Fox & Sheik (& said Fox main getting top 5 in tourneys in mainland UK where the player base is much larger than is of Ireland)?

Sounds p decent for someone not even trying

 

[Antonykun]

Rolling is manageable in FG. Punishes are way easier offline obviously.

Not sure why people complain about rolling but not spotdodging which is 10x worse.

for me spot dodging=rolling

Spoiler: i also found this

 

[Lorde]

ZSS's wall jump is so bad that it makes me feel like I'm losing height for using it. Even the moon shoes can't salvage it smh

 

[ThunderSageNun]

is awful
Original post do not steal

 

[Rizen]

It's not that people aren't trying. Several people like @Aerodrome use Zelda offline in tournaments and still say she sucks.
That doesn't mean she can't win. In Brawl Link players like LordXavior were power ranked with him but still thought he was bottom tier. She still is worse than most other characters is all. Where are all the Zelda tournament results?

 

[Burgundy]

My favorite moments in FG is when you beat someone so badly, so many times, you can tell they've just been broken. They've lost all will to fight. Sure they throw out a couple of moves here and there, but then they just sit there and take what's coming for them.

 

[McKnightlíght]

Yesterday I got a Peach to hit herself with a stitch face because of Nayru's.

That match-up is terrible for Zelda, but the turnip catching and reflecting is super fun to play with. I have a save where I reflect a turnip then it hits Peach and I catch it off her face. It's just so funny.

Wow guys, I share something really funny and relatable and you all just skip right over it omg wtf ugh

I wonder if people here have me ignored.

 

[Antonykun]

Spoiler: jojo the explorer

 

[SBphiloz4]

We can point fingers at each other all we want, but at the end of the day, we are all still trying our best. We might have different opinions about Zelda as a character, but to claim that all the Zelda mains just aren't trying hard enough is pretty absurd. I mean, if we weren't trying hard enough with such a character we would switch a LOOOONG time ago.

We probably can all agree that Zelda has problems. LOTS of them. Will ledge cancelling stuff help her? Yes it would, if one is perfect in execution and positioning. Will it make her high tier? Time will tell, but guesses lean to no.

Zelda will never be considered a real threat if she doesn't get any results in offline tourneys. Unless a miracle happens, the amount of time to fully show Zelda's potential is ticking really fast.

 

[Jestar]

@♥Zanda•JGPT♥

I just received my avatar that you "borrowed".

Thanks for returning it.