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Macchiato · May 23, 2015

Gorls, @Nairo promised that if he beats ZeRo at Evo, he'll do it with Zelda.

WolfieXVII ❂ · May 23, 2015

Alacion said:
Oh Abadango...

How high is he
No way Charizard is better than Link
lol @Mario
Bruh Pikachu is so low
Shulk and BJ worse than GDub, k
I hope the people who made this list arent driving
:189:

Alacion · May 23, 2015

Macchiato said:
Gorls, @Nairo promised that if he beats ZeRo at Evo, he'll do it with Zelda.

Oh really? I will donate my severely weakened Canadian dollars to @Nairo 's stream if this happens.

Gay Ginger · May 23, 2015

Alacion said:
Oh Abadango...

The last tier should be Zelda and Samus only, in my opinion. Donkey Kong, Charizard, Ganon, Lucina and Link are considerably better than Zelda, so much so that I can't consider them to be part of the same tier.

But at least Zelda is in bottom tier -- he got something right!

Alacion · May 23, 2015

GingerGaymer said:
The last tier should be Zelda and Samus only, in my opinion. Donkey Kong, Charizard, Ganon, Lucina and Link are considerably better than Zelda, so much so that I can't consider them to be part of the same tier.

But at least Zelda is in bottom tier -- he got something right!

Forgot to say it's customs off which I think Zelda isn't dead last. Custom - there is a case for worst character.

Deleted member · May 23, 2015

Alacion said:
Oh Abadango...

in E tier.

Macchiato · May 23, 2015

GingerGaymer said:
The last tier should be Zelda and Samus in my opinion. Donkey Kong, Charizard, Ganon, Lucina and Link are considerably better than Zelda, so much so that I can't consider them to be part of the same tier.

But at least Zelda is in bottom tier -- he got something right!

Zelda should be mid, honestly I can see low tier but I wonder why you see so lowly of her. She's not that bad and the mechanics favor her. If you think that she is significantly worst than the cast, then how does ven, Nairo, and you do well with her in tournaments.

Alacion said:
Oh really? I will donate my severely weakened Canadian dollars to @Nairo 's stream if this happens.

@Nairo you better beat ZeRo at Evo with Zelda

Alacion said:
Forgot to say it's customs off which I think Zelda isn't dead last. Custom - there is a case for worst character.

Actually she benefits from customs being to somewhat force an approach and Phantom Strike becomes a great move. Jiggly imo is dead last. I already thought she was bottom tier but now that she has no good customs, I'm confident shes dead last.

Gay Ginger · May 23, 2015

Macchiato said:
Zelda should be mid, honestly I can see low tier but I wonder why you see so lowly of her. She's not that bad and the mechanics favor her. If you think that she is significantly worst than the cast, then how does ven, Nairo, and you do well with her in tournaments.

Because they're great players, and players can do still do well with bad characters. Doesn't change the fact that Zelda is bad.

evmaxy54 · May 23, 2015

Alacion said:
Forgot to say it's customs off which I think Zelda isn't dead last. Custom - there is a case for worst character.

Nah worst character in customs meta is Little Mac. Everyone has a windbox & he's just like "eww"

RedCap-BlueSpikes · May 23, 2015

>Sonic's 2nd
>Mario's 3rd
>Palutena's 30th

what are you guys talking about abadango's tier-list is fine there's nothing wrong with it at all

Jestar · May 23, 2015

One good thing about not liking any characters in this game (so far): Tier lists don't affect me at all.

They're fun to look at though.

Deleted member · May 23, 2015

So like, I was in an online tourney with 171 people in it. It was so bad. It went way too slow and was unorganized. Literally a waste of my time. I wasted time when I could have been playing the Splatoon testfire (I got a few rounds of it in, though). I made it pretty far before I decided to quit. The loser's bracket was legit not moving. Horrible tourney.

Lavani · May 23, 2015

Alacion said:
https://quetzle.github.io/smash-apps/tier/ is cool.

You're just baiting me with this, aren't you.

Customs off, I'm ignoring Miis because they're both unfairly and inconsistently restricted between region so it's hard to rank them.

EDIT: I'm curious as to who you think Zelda is better than in customs off.

Gay Ginger · May 23, 2015

XDanDan612 said:
So like, I was in an online tourney with 171 people in it. It was so bad. It went way too slow and was unorganized. Literally a waste of my time. I wasted time when I could have been playing the Splatoon testfire (I got a few rounds of it in, though). I made it pretty far before I decided to quit. The loser's bracket was legit not moving. Horrible tourney.

Sounds like The Tourney From Hell @

Macchiato and I were in a while back.

The organizers literally stopped streaming and disappeared before it was over and told us to figure it out.

Macchiato · May 23, 2015

GingerGaymer said:
Because they're great players, and players can do still do well with bad characters. Doesn't change the fact that Zelda is bad.

you make her sound like she's the melee pichu of smash wii u. She's not. shes not even the worst.

GingerGaymer said:
Sounds like The Tourney From Hell @ Macchiato and I were in a while back.

The organizers literally stopped streaming and disappeared before it was over and told us to figure it out.

JESUS DONT REMIND ME

CatRaccoonBL · May 23, 2015

Macchiato said:
you make her sound like she's the melee pichu of smash wii u. She's not. shes not even the worst.

Well...neither was Pichu... :kirby:

Macchiato · May 23, 2015

WaifuRaccoonBL said:
Well...neither was Pichu...

I think Kirbys better tbh

kenniky · May 23, 2015

Alacion said:
https://quetzle.github.io/smash-apps/tier/ is cool.

I wanted to do something with this but didn't want to make people mad because I definitely would have.

So I organized them by color.

Black and White I put at the end of F because lol

Alacion · May 23, 2015

Argh I'm bad at this.

@

Lavani

Palutena, Samus, Charizard, Ganondorf, and Dr. Mario.

Macchiato · May 23, 2015

Alacion said:
Argh I'm bad at this.

@ Lavani

Palutena, Samus, Charizard, Ganondorf, and Dr. Mario.

Palutena - Bottom
Charizard - Bottom
Ganon - Low
Samus - Bottom
Doc - Low

Lorde · May 23, 2015

Lavani said:
You're just baiting me with this, aren't you.

Customs off, I'm ignoring Miis because they're both unfairly and inconsistently restricted between region so it's hard to rank them.

EDIT: I'm curious as to who you think Zelda is better than in customs off.

I'm glad to see that you think Peach is top 15. So many people underestimate how strong of a character she is.

I've said it before, but you always make the best tier lists. This one looks really good imo.

What are your reasonings on Wario being 8th and Dark Pit over Pit? Wario is very underrepresented so idk about him and I thought it was agreed on that Pit was better.

kenniky · May 23, 2015

Reflectors tier list based solely on their reflecting capabilities

Tiers are not necessarily in order

feel free to yell at me

S:

(Echo Reflector)
A:

(Reversal Slash)
B:

(Skull Barrier)

(Guardian Orbitars)

C:

(Upperdash Arm)

(Electroshock Arm)
D:

Falco - his Reflector comes out extremely quickly and has a ton of range, which can shut down stuff like Villager's approaches from far away where you can't be punished as easily. Pretty good reflector.
Fox/Gunner - come out quickly, and the only ones that can be indefinitely held, which can be useful at times (ex: Megaman charging fsmash)
R.O.B./Zelda - mediocre startup, long-lasting. Pretty good.
Mario/Mewtwo/Dr. Mario/Swordfighter - quick, but has a strict timing that can be hard to pull off. Also all suffer from a bit of endlag.
Megaman - long ranged which I think is really good, but takes forever to come out.
Guardian Orbitars - fairly quick and covers both sides, but the 45 degree angle isn't helping anyone really. Not as useful because of that.
Ness - too much startup lag and not enough active time. Super strong, though, at least.
Upperdash/Electroshock Arm - large startup, considerable endlag, and also has the weird 45 degree thing I think
Palutena - bad. slow, short, laggy. bad.

Antonykun · May 23, 2015

Well I now moved and I dont have internet access, yay mobile adboards

Soul. · May 23, 2015

Want a really good tier list?

k

Lavani · May 23, 2015

Alacion said:
Argh I'm bad at this.

@ Lavani

Palutena, Samus, Charizard, Ganondorf, and Dr. Mario.

Ah.

I agree on Samus and I could be convinced on Palutena/Charizard plausibly. Doc's buttons are way too good despite his other shortcomings though. Ganon idk but his power, range, and surprisingly low endlag for a heavy plus a command grab have me skeptical that he'd be worse than Zelda.

Spritzee said:
I'm glad to see that you think Peach is top 15. So many people underestimate how strong of a character she is.

I've said it before, but you always make the best tier lists. This one looks really good imo.

What are your reasonings on Wario being 8th and Dark Pit over Pit? Wario is very underrepresented so idk about him and I thought it was agreed on that Pit was better.

Pits are mostly equal but Electroshock gets rid of Luma so I consider him better due to the Rosa MU. I may be underselling Pit's strengths in other MUs though.

Wario I'd go into more if I weren't on phone, mainly it's the combination of a reqlly good command grab, great defensive tools plus waft charging passively means he's gaining the upper hand gradually without having to engage the opponent, and his offstage game is top notch. Generally speaking the character is really safe and still gets great reward for it.

WolfieXVII ❂ · May 23, 2015

Soul. said:
Want a really good tier list?

k

reported

Macchiato · May 23, 2015

Ik you gorls will disagree but

Lorde · May 23, 2015

Macchiato said:
Ik you gorls will disagree but
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What happened to Robin being the worst character in the game?

Macchiato · May 23, 2015

Spritzee said:
What happened to Robin being the worst character in the game?

Then I tried her out

Furret · May 23, 2015

SBphiloz4 said:
Nah, it's all about counterpicking with crappy custom moves and unique sets to throw your opponent off. :^)

Speaking of throwing your opponent off--

How to beat level 9 Zelda CPUs 101
Full vid here~

oh luigi wins by doing nothing never gets old

"bustaAAAAHHHH!"

Jestar · May 23, 2015

Macchiato said:
Ik you gorls will disagree but
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ZSS is 2nd.

Doc ain't bottom tier.

Bowser is mid.

Good list.

Ffamran · May 23, 2015

kenniky said:
Reflectors tier list based solely on their reflecting capabilities

Tiers are not necessarily in order

feel free to yell at me

S: (Echo Reflector)
A: (Reversal Slash)
B: (Skull Barrier)(Guardian Orbitars)(Guardian Orbitars)
C: (Upperdash Arm)(Electroshock Arm)
D:

Falco - his Reflector comes out extremely quickly and has a ton of range, which can shut down stuff like Villager's approaches from far away where you can't be punished as easily. Pretty good reflector.
Fox/Gunner - come out quickly, and the only ones that can be indefinitely held, which can be useful at times (ex: Megaman charging fsmash)
R.O.B./Zelda - mediocre startup, long-lasting. Pretty good.
Mario/Mewtwo/Dr. Mario/Swordfighter - quick, but has a strict timing that can be hard to pull off. Also all suffer from a bit of endlag.
Megaman - long ranged which I think is really good, but takes forever to come out.
Guardian Orbitars - fairly quick and covers both sides, but the 45 degree angle isn't helping anyone really. Not as useful because of that.
Ness - too much startup lag and not enough active time. Super strong, though, at least.
Upperdash/Electroshock Arm - large startup, considerable endlag, and also has the weird 45 degree thing I think
Palutena - bad. slow, short, laggy. bad.

Palutena can use her Reflect Barrier to gimp people like Ike and the fact it halts momentum can throw people off. Not a good reflector, but a decent move in my opinion. Also, the Pits' Arms don't actually reflect; they deflect projectiles sort of like how powershielding lasers can make them bounce off in another angle away from the user and shielder. If anything, I'd swap Pally with the Pits' Arms as they don't actually reflect.

Antonykun · May 23, 2015

Macchiato said:
Ik you gorls will disagree but
View attachment 53194

I understand about zeldas placement but.
Samus worse than Swordfighter?!
Well I could understand if you believe that he is not low tier but you do, AND he's better than Samus
What low opinions do you have of her?

Macchiato · May 23, 2015

Antonykun said:
I understand about zeldas placement but.
Samus worse than Swordfighter?!
Well I could understand if you believe that he is not low tier but you do, AND he's better than Samus
What low opinions do you have of her?

Samus - Can't kill, people fall out of all her multihitting moves, moves are slow, shields shut her down, no approach, bad neutral, tall and floaty.

Locke 06 · May 23, 2015

Lavani said:
You're just baiting me with this, aren't you.

Customs off, I'm ignoring Miis because they're both unfairly and inconsistently restricted between region so it's hard to rank them.

EDIT: I'm curious as to who you think Zelda is better than in customs off.

Diddy over Sheik still, omoshiro.

I find the MK placement interesting along with the ROB placement. Bowser and Robin I find interesting as well. Other than that, I think I see your reasoning for all of these.

kenniky said:
Reflectors tier list based solely on their reflecting capabilities

Tiers are not necessarily in order

feel free to yell at me

S: (Echo Reflector)
A: (Reversal Slash)
B: (Skull Barrier)(Guardian Orbitars)(Guardian Orbitars)
C: (Upperdash Arm)(Electroshock Arm)
D:

Falco - his Reflector comes out extremely quickly and has a ton of range, which can shut down stuff like Villager's approaches from far away where you can't be punished as easily. Pretty good reflector.
Fox/Gunner - come out quickly, and the only ones that can be indefinitely held, which can be useful at times (ex: Megaman charging fsmash)
R.O.B./Zelda - mediocre startup, long-lasting. Pretty good.
Mario/Mewtwo/Dr. Mario/Swordfighter - quick, but has a strict timing that can be hard to pull off. Also all suffer from a bit of endlag.
Megaman - long ranged which I think is really good, but takes forever to come out.
Guardian Orbitars - fairly quick and covers both sides, but the 45 degree angle isn't helping anyone really. Not as useful because of that.
Ness - too much startup lag and not enough active time. Super strong, though, at least.
Upperdash/Electroshock Arm - large startup, considerable endlag, and also has the weird 45 degree thing I think
Palutena - bad. slow, short, laggy. bad.

Megaman can walk/run/item toss/grab/shield with his reflector and it has 0 endlag. S tier or riot.

Antonykun · May 23, 2015

Macchiato said:
Samus - Can't kill, people fall out of all her multihitting moves, moves are slow, shields shut her down, no approach, bad neutral, tall and floaty.

Just asking not because I'm mad (you will have to make a Swordfighter tier for that)
I was just shocked that is all.

Macchiato · May 23, 2015

Antonykun said:
Just asking not because I'm mad (you will have to make a Swordfighter tier for that)
I was just shocked that is all.

like Swordfighter has problems but I don't think he has as much as Samus.

S.F.L.R_9 · May 23, 2015

"The year is 20sasssass"

Antonykun · May 23, 2015

Can someone be a dear and pm that link to make a tier list so I can make one when I have access to it?

Jestar · May 23, 2015

Antonykun said:
Can someone be a dear and pm that link to make a tier list so I can make one when I have access to it?

https://quetzle.github.io/smash-apps/tier/
Have fun.

Oh, PM...

Well, it's here for anyone else who wants it.

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