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According to this chart, Young Link is great against Peach.
Why?
According to this chart, Young Link is great against Peach.
Why?
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Young Link ignores most of Peach's prime advantages. First off, Young Link's projectile spam is far superior to Peach's. Young Link's hookshot and projectiles allow him to keep his distance, thus avoiding Peach's deadly ground moves (primarily her down-smash). Young Link is also quick compared to normal Link, so he can keep up in regards to speed. Peach is light and becomes a very susceptible target to being killed off the top (a rare opportunity for Young Link) via his up-air or down-air. She also struggles with recovering since Young Link's primary kill method is edge-guarding; the projectiles make the edge rather uninviting for Peach.According to this chart, Young Link is great against Peach.
Why?
Or the times when Chu counter-picks with Young Link against Sastopher's Peach all the time at major tournaments such as MLG or Tournament Go.The only time a Y. Link player has ever beaten a pro Peach player was like 2 years ago at GS2, and that was against KrazyJones and no one had ever played a really good Y. Link before, so they didn't know how to deal with him.
Young Link's spacing is better than Peach's; long distance or close. Heck, his d-tilt has better range and his about as fast as her's as well. His range is better than her's overall as well, so yeah good luck d-tilting me Xd.Nowadays, priority eats through everything but bombs, and down tilt spacing just ***** him
No she doesn't lol. Y Link edguarding = nightmare for Peach though -_-plus, Peach has better edgeguarding against him, and can combo him pretty easily.
Just avoid her killmoves and Y Link winsJust avoid his kill moves and Peach wins.
Last MLG Sas was at was like MLG Seattle, which was the 2005 circuit; TG6 was what, 2004? When was the last time Chu beat a good Peach like Wife or Vidjo? How about some references that aren't 2-3 years old.Or the times when Chu counter-picks with Young Link against Sastopher's Peach all the time at major tournaments such as MLG or Tournament Go.
That theory could've been applied to anyone of Young Link's match-ups at that time then according to you. I guess if back then if a pro-quality Fox wins against Young Link it means that Fox doesn't counter Young Link, right?
A well played and spaced Peach is better than Y. Link; she has turnips, autododge fsmash and down tilts, and the speed of FC nairs and such to eat through pretty much everything, not to mention well placed dairs eat through him from above.Young Link's spacing is better than Peach's; long distance or close. Heck, his d-tilt has better range and his about as fast as her's as well. His range is better than her's overall as well, so yeah good luck d-tilting me Xd.
Peach can sheild/toad/catch/dodge bombs, use her moves to dodge like float or parosol, and even if she gets hit with a bomb, she can make it hit close enough to hit both of them and then nair out, or DI far enough away to mitigate it's effects. All of his other projectiles get clanked by pretty much anything she has.Want to know what really *****? Young Link's dair/uairs. I never have so much fun when fighting charachter's unless their floaties. Bomb -> dair = too good? lol or maybe too BAD -_;;;;
If Peach recovers high, how can Y. Link hit her with her fabulous air dodge?No she doesn't lol. Y Link edguarding = nightmare for Peach though -_-
Young link's range of his upB will go through any of Peach's edgeguard's, and while recovering, he can do mid-air reverse boomerang which, not only turns him around for a hookshot recovery, it can clash with turnips and stop turnip guarding. Yeah, start trying to combo me if you can catch me while I'm throwing crap at Peach.
Peach's kill moves out number Y. Links, and she has far more sheild options than he does; roll/dodge/grab/parosol/nair/jump/wd all hamper his ability to approach her in her shield. The only projectile that really works for him is bombs, which get blocked by turnips and the variety of moves i posted above. It simply becomes a patience and experience match up, and most Peaches don't know how to fight Y. Link... but once they do it's not a counter, merely a nuisance.Just avoid her killmoves and Y Link wins
Young Link destroys virtually all of Peach's air assaults with his projectiles. Catch my bombs? I'll throw at you a boomerang you/ nair you. Weapon cancel my boomerang? I'll throw a bomb at you.
I think you are forgetting that Ylink is a pretty fast character compared to Peach. He can easily evade an agressive peach.A fast peach can get in y. link's face and prevent him from pulling stuff, which means that his entire game is decimated. Try to get a dair or uair set up on a good peach outside of a down throw.
You can judge then.this agrument is simply going to go back and forth..both sides have valid points and neither is willing to give.
Read my post again; I played Cave 2 years ago when he was at his prime, and also a few months ago. This means that I played the best Y. Link in the country at both his prime and and recently; also your own statement foils your argument - Peaches have learned how to get around Y. Link's projectiles and then just eat him alive once in his face.YL's projectiles ARE his best assests. Thats exactly what i'm saying. And Jash is right, Chu defiantly wasn't playing against Peach correctly.
Even though you play Caveman 2 years ago, Smash has definantly grown since then. So obviously Peach players have become better and so have YL players. And from what I continue to hear, Caveman doesn't play YL seriously anymore. He usually goes with Doc or whatever. :\
As long as your spacing is correct and you have good projectile mind games, you can beat majority of the peaches you come across.
This Guy is the truth, and has spoken O_ODarknessOfHeart is 100% correct. Young Link has advantages over Peach, but overall, the match is in favor of Peach. Why don't any "pros" counter pick YL against Peach? It's not that great of a match up. Marth and Fox are so much more difficult for Peach.
Please guys... I know, as YL mains, we'd like a couple good match ups against the high tiers. Too bad YL is 17th on the tier list. Every high/top tier character has an answer to him.
Anyhow, I've play against some top Peach players... namely XIF and Mike Lenetia. I got wrecked.
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Perhaps YL does have an advantage at lower levels of play. I've beaten both Camper Bob and Alpha Zealot in tournament sets. They are both very skilled players, but they are by no means "pros". I'd say, overall, I'm probably on their level of skill. With that said, I could see (in my matches with them) why some people might think YL counters Peach. Unfortunately, against top competition, Peach shows why she's high tier.
Because Marth is for cheap people and Young Link is for good people. Ill fight good Peach's and i did. Now if any of you Peach's don't believe then thats on you guys. I know what i know and if Peach is easy for me....then there must be a reason.Why don't any "pros" counter pick YL against Peach?
In my opinion, I beleive that all the hi tiers over Peach are a problem for Peach and give her a hard time and they are like played all the time, tournies the most, and we have Falcon. so thats like.........5 hard match ups already. Do Peaches really need anymore?........-_____-'Theres always a character that makes the way easier...young link does well against peach is used correctly but doesn't peach have bigger problems to worry about than the occasionally good young link?..
I don't play her but I'd feel foxes and marths would be a larger problem than him.
LOL but Ylink relies on projectile spam. I'd say that Ylink is "cheaper" than Marth.Because Marth is for cheap people and Young Link is for good people.
No. That makes YL balanced. Cause his actual physical hits don't have much knockback.LOL but Ylink relies on projectile spam. I'd say that Ylink is "cheaper" than Marth.
And this is coming from a Ylink main...
Well, Marth isn't THAT cheap though. He's one of the more balanced High tiers. He COULD use some fixing though.No. That makes YL balanced. Cause his actual physical hits don't have much knockback.
Marths hits have loads of knockback, plus his sword eats projectiles.
Not at all. I'm one of the few projectile heavy YLs around(if not the only one >__>), if you watch my vids, you'll notice its quite easy to hit me when im throwing or pulling out a projectile. So your completly defenseless during that animation. Not "Cheap" at all.Well, Marth isn't THAT cheap though. He's one of the more balanced High tiers. He COULD use some fixing though.
Besides, I wasn't going off of stats. I was going off playstyles. and Projectile spam is definitely a "cheaper" playstyle.