You don't know and nor do I - there, I said it.

[OysterMeister]

Of course they can. What world do you live in?

If I said, "Every female steals constantly" then that could be proved wrong, quite easily.

If I said, "Lucario is to recent to be implemented" then that could be proved wrong, quite easily.

Of course our Pros might not affect Sakurai, but judging by his Poll, that seems highly unlikely.

Opinion: a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

"Every female steals constantly" is a statement presented as fact, so it can be proved wrong, but the opinion "I believe that every female steals constantly" can't be proven or disproved either way.

And Grim: you can stop, we're all Ridley supporters here. We know all the arguments and probably made most of them ourselves. The purpose of this thread is to try and think of reasons AGAINST your most wanted character. It's a mental exercise. Like so:

Ridley: His music has the words 'boss battle' in it, and Sakurai has only ever refered to Ridley as a boss. It is therefor possible that Sakurai views Ridley as only a boss and not a character, and because of this will add Ridley as a non-playable boss in Brawl.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Opinion: a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

"Every female steals constantly" is a statement presented as fact, so it can be proved wrong, but the opinion "I believe that every female steals constantly" can't be proven or disproved either way.

As it seems, a lot of people here tend to forget to add "In my opinion".

But still even if I said:

"In my opinion, every female steals constantly" that could be proven wrong. Quite easily.

So yes, opinions can be proven wrong, they aren't an excuse for anything.

 

[flyinfilipino]

As it seems, a lot of people here tend to forget to add "In my opinion".

But still even if I said:

"In my opinion, every female steals constantly" that could be proven wrong. Quite easily.

So yes, opinions can be proven wrong, they aren't an excuse for anything.

Meh, I think only opinions that are stated as facts can be proven wrong. How can I prove wrong that you think that females steal constantly? I can't. But I could tell you it's not true, however I couldn't make you change your opinion if you don't want to. So ya know.

 

[Reyairia]

Of course they can. What world do you live in?

Of course they cannot, they may be viewed "morally wrong," but what are morals but standards invented by the man of the current time which constantly change anyway?

If I said, "Every female steals constantly" then that could be proved wrong, quite easily.

That's not an opinion. Lawl.

If I said, "Lucario is to recent to be implemented" then that could be proved wrong, quite easily.

That's not an opinion either, "I think he may be too recent to be implemented" is.

Of course our Pros might not affect Sakurai, but judging by his Poll, that seems highly unlikely.

Maybe the poll means nothing either.

Take that, noob.

Someone didn't read the content of the thread, notice my name among SUPPORTERS or hanged around enough in Ridley's thread to realize I've been supporting Ridley there for a while now.

Just cause you haven't passed to Piaget's Concrete Operational Stage of development yet doesn't mean you have to show it off.

 

[OysterMeister]

Meh, I think only opinions that are stated as facts can be proven wrong. How can I prove wrong that you think that females steal constantly? I can't. But I could tell you it's not true, however I couldn't make you change your opinion if you don't want to. So ya know.

Bingo.

Young Link: Many on the boards feel that two Links are redundant. It's possible that Sakurai feels the same way, and thus won't add the character in. It's also possible that Sakurai would feel that a cel-sheded style it too odd to fit into even a game as visually diverse as smash bros, and thus won't ad the character for aesthetic reasons.

 

[flyinfilipino]

*gulp*
Sheik
-wouldn't fit with the Twilight Princess style of the current Zelda reps
-apparently a lot of people thought she was too good?

Personally, I don't think it'd be too much of a stretch to come up with a new Sheik design. What I'm not sure of is if the Zelda in Brawl is the same one that could turn into Sheik.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Just to point out Reyairia, after watching these Character Updates, it's clear to see that the Poll does mean something.

 

[Reyairia]

Just to point out Reyairia, after watching these Character Updates, it's clear to see that the Poll does mean something.

Does it? Maybe the characters got in cause they represented their series instead?
After all, my Statistics class told me that internet polls and surveys are useless, and that was just high school. Maybe it means something, maybe it doesn't.

Until Sakurai makes an update where it says "These are the requirements to get into Brawl" we can never be sure at all.

 

[Aryman]

I like this thread.... makes people think a bit about their choices, if anything.

 

[the grim lizard]

Someone didn't read the content of the thread, notice my name among SUPPORTERS or hanged around enough in Ridley's thread to realize I've been supporting Ridley there for a while now.

Just cause you haven't passed to Piaget's Concrete Operational Stage of development yet doesn't mean you have to show it off.

Whoa, buddy...watch yourself. I've been around in that thread longer than you've even thought about it. I like the old one a lot better, though.

 

[Reyairia]

Whoa, buddy...watch yourself. I've been around in that thread longer than you've even thought about it. I like the old one a lot better, though.

Maybe, but that doesn't change that I've been around long enough to get listed there as a supporter and thus you should actually read the thread carefully instead of making a fool out of yourself, honey.

 

[the grim lizard]

Maybe, but that doesn't change that I've been around long enough to get listed there as a supporter and thus you should actually read the thread carefully instead of making a fool out of yourself, honey.

A fool of myself? That's laughable. And don't call me "honey," bud.

If you ask me, a real Ridley supporter wouldn't create a thread like this anyway. That's what I think of that.

And talk about reading...maybe you should actually read the first post, the one I quoted a couple pages back. I helped put together a good amount of that stuff, just fyi.

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

Don't talk about crap if you didn't even take the time to read through it.

There was no need, I already know what it's going to be regarding, I've seen it a hundred times over. That's a summary, really.

 

[Reyairia]

A fool of myself? That's laughable. And don't call me "honey," bud.

You seemed to think that I was against Ridley's inclusion when I made clearly I was not. And I call everyone honey so get used to it.

If you ask me, a real Ridley supporter wouldn't create a thread like this anyway. That's what I think of that.

Maybe, but I'm not a blind fangirl, and I don't consider it a crime to make doubts. Besides, the thread has really nothing to do with Ridley, so I don't understand where you are getting it.

And talk about reading...maybe you should actually read the first post, the one I quoted a couple pages back. I helped put together a good amount of that stuff, just fyi.

I did, and I support it, just like I support and hope Ridley will be in Brawl. Again, I advise you to read over this thread because the point of it is to realize that all these "requirements" we make up to get characters in Brawl could all be B.S in the end.

The thread is controversial, and I can be considered a borderline troll for what I say in smashboards, but I'm concerned about the narrow view in this forum where kids here just have a close-minded mentality. Pass the pre-conventional stage of cognitive development and maybe I'll decide you're worth arguing with.

 

[the grim lizard]

Again, I advise you to read over this thread because the point of it is to not realize that all these "requirements" we make up to get characters in Brawl could all be B.S in the end.

Except...they've all been proven right so far. >_<

More villains in Brawl? check
More flying characters in Brawl? check
Characters high on the polls? check
Japan gets what Japan wants? check
Characters with unique movesets? check

etc. etc.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

A fool of myself? That's laughable. And don't call me "honey," bud.

I thought that same thing when he called me it too!

Did I say it or was I too busy typing something else?

Anyway,

He seems to think that Sakurai doesn't listen to the fans on which Characters he puts in. The way he makes it seem, Sakurai could fill this game with Tingle and Master Chief. And our say in that matter doesn't count.

But I'm not sure that's how a buisness works. And it's clear to see he values or ideas, due to his Poll.

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

You seemed to think that I was against Ridley's inclusion when I made clearly I was not. And I call everyone honey so get used to it.

It's true, he does.

But Rey, if I called everyone an ******* and they had to get used to it... that doesn't make sense.

And I just want to state my beliefs here and now, before the flaming ensews:

Ridley's going to be a boss/environmental. Ridley is better suited as such. I don't want him as a character as he'll be extremely downplayed if he is, comparable to goofy characters like Diddy.

Just so you all know where I stand.

I want Ridley in Brawl, just not playable. Why he wouldn't be included in any way?

-...
-......

I have no ****ing idea, lol

 

[Reyairia]

Except...they've all been proven right so far. >_<

More villains in Brawl? check
More flying characters in Brawl? check
Characters high on the polls? check
Japan gets what Japan wants? check

etc. etc.

Oh, really?
What makes you so sure those were the exact reasons why they got into Brawl?
Before Lucas was confirmed and Ness possibly deconfirmed I could have said Lucas will get over Ness because he's blonde. Would I be right? Not really.

I thought that same thing when he called me it too!

Not many guys refer to themselves with a female pronoun in their sigs.

 

[the grim lizard]

I thought that same thing when he called me it too!

Except...it's "her"...XD

Oh, really?
What makes you so sure those were the exact reasons why they got into Brawl?
Before Lucas was confirmed and Ness possibly deconfirmed I could have said Lucas will get over Ness because he's blonde. Would I be right? Not really.

...

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

Rey is a GIRL!?!

WTF.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Except...they've all been proven right so far. >_<

More villains in Brawl? check
More flying characters in Brawl? check
Characters high on the polls? check
Japan gets what Japan wants? check

etc. etc.

Unfortunately, Grim, I have to point out the one exception: Pokemon Trainer. Several characters outstripped him in the way of votes yet he made it as a PC.

And Reyairia, I don't consider you a troll for making a thread of this nature. However, this sort of argument could feasibly be constrained to the "_____ for Brawl" threads. If anything, it could be considered redundant. But your logic is sound. You're right; we're not Masahiro Sakurai and we don't have a say in what goes into this last iteration of Smash. However, mindless fluff is what makes these boards go 'round. It's fun to get into debates and stuff; it keeps us occupied until ****'s de-confirmed, confirmed, or whatever.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Reyairia]

But Rey, if I called everyone an ******* and they had to get used to it... that doesn't make sense.

But calling people honey won't get me banned for harassment.

 

[Reyairia]

You're right; we're not Masahiro Sakurai and we don't have a say in what goes into this last iteration of Smash. However, mindless fluff is what makes these boards go 'round. It's fun to get into debates and stuff; it keeps up occupied until ****'s deconfirmed, confirmed, or when the game releases.

Smooth Criminal

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against speculation and buildup of theories at all, if I was I'd be an idiot for even being here. It just seems to me that we need a reminder once in a while because some people seem to think that they know all the requirements into getting a Playable Character position, which is what this thread is about.

Until we get Sakurai to make a specific list of what characters need to be to get into Brawl, we just don't know what they are.

Adding to the popularity bit, Lyn and Samurai Goroh say hi.

 

[the grim lizard]

Unfortunately, Grim, I have to point out the one exception: Pokemon Trainer. Several characters outstripped him in the way of votes yet he made it as a PC.

1) Important to the series
2) At least one of them (Charizard) was a popular candidate
3) Most importantly, very original moveset

Notice that characters high on the polls was only part of it. Ike is a prime example of that. My point wasn't that every character put in falls into all of those categories, my point was that those were the types of characters being added. Ridley is one of the few who qualifies for most of them.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Except...it's "her"...XD



...

I was arguing with a girl?

Now I feel a tad bad.

But still, her logic isn't that good.

It's clear to see that Dedede was mainly included because of the Poll, and that he's a villain.

You could say maybe it wasn't. Heck, maybe it was a dancing unicorn that persuaded Sakurai to let him in. Or maybe he ran over a small cat wearing a King Dedede T-Shirt.

But, which one really seems more likely..?

 

[the grim lizard]

But still, her logic isn't that good.

That's redundant.

 

[Reyairia]

But still, her logic isn't that good.

I feel it was a tad better than "opinions can be proven wrong lol!!11"

It's clear to see that Dedede was mainly included because of the Poll, and that he's a villain.

Proof out of Sakurai's mouth or typing hands plz.

You could say maybe it wasn't. Heck, maybe it was a dancing unicorn that persuaded Sakurai to let him in. Or maybe he ran over a small cat wearing a King Dedede T-Shirt.

But, which one really seems more likely..?

Well, that's obvious where one seems more likely than the other. Still, we don't know what's going through Sakurai's head unless he directly tells us.

I'm planning to be a scientist guys, until I get proof I can only speculate and make educated guesses. Still, they're only guesses, and it's very important to keep being aware of it.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

I'd be flattered if you called me "honey," Rey.

And I didn't forget those points that you illustrated, Grim. It was just VERY UNLIKELY that PT would've made it into Brawl because of his inherent "uniqueness" and place on the polls. I mean, c'mon, you even thought that he was an unlikely addition at some point. I know I did.

Before I go to work, I'd like to end my stint here on a positive note:

Ridley for Brawl.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Reyairia]

I'd be flattered if you called me "honey," Rey.

I hope that isn't sarcasm, honey.

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

Amusing topix.

If we do the cons thing again I might participate.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

I feel it was a tad better than "opinions can be proven wrong lol!!11"

Well, they can. I showed that earlier with my "female" quote.

Proof out of Sakurai's mouth or typing hands plz.

Well, It's Sakurai's poll. How much more proof do you want..?

Well, that's obvious where one seems more likely than the other. Still, we don't know what's going through Sakurai's head unless he directly tells us.

Well, King Dedede was all the proof I needed, as he came as no surprise whatsoever.

 

[Reyairia]

Well, they can. I showed that earlier with my "female" quote.

Lawl, no. That was a false statement, not an opinion.

Well, It's Sakurai's poll. How much more proof do you want..?

Him directly saying how much importance it has.

Well, King Dedede was all the proof I needed, as he came as no surprise whatsoever.

Dedede wasn't a surprise at all, still we don't know exactly what the reasons are. I'm not against educated speculation and educated guesses, just against people passing them off as statements which could end up being false.

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

Well, they can.

THANK YOU.

*Stands up, applauds, gives rose*

 

[the grim lizard]

And I didn't forget those points that you illustrated, Grim. It was just VERY UNLIKELY that PT would've made it into Brawl because of his inherent "uniqueness" and place on the polls. I mean, c'mon, you even thought that he was an unlikely addition at some point. I know I did.

Actually...far before the PT character release, I posted in the Red topic a number of times. I said I really could see the character working, but I didn't know how exactly. I knew it would involve him using Pokemon that only he could use somehow, but that was about it.

A friend of mine, though, maybe a week or so before they showed this character, he said "They should make a character that uses the three starters from Pokemon Red/Blue..." So...unheard of? Not at all. All that means is that I'm less creative than Sakurai, and I'm fine with that. It doesn't have anything to do with an unlikely character making it in.

Show me some character who gets in who completely breaks all the rules, and I'll admit that character selections are far too unpredictable. For now, though...I've yet to be completely blown away by the character choices going into Brawl (other than when they announced Snake).

 

[Reyairia]

Amusing topix.

If we do the cons thing again I might participate.

...
I guess that I have to stop arguing for the sake of the original discussion of the thread.

THANK YOU.

*Stands up, applauds, gives rose*

Sorry to say, but no they can't.

opinion

noun
1. a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty; "my opinion differs from yours"; "I am not of your persuasion"; "what are your thoughts on Haiti?"
2. a message expressing a belief about something; the expression of a belief that is held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof; "his opinions appeared frequently on the editorial page"
3. a belief or sentiment shared by most people; the voice of the people; "he asked for a poll of public opinion" [syn: public opinion]
4. the legal document stating the reasons for a judicial decision; "opinions are usually written by a single judge"
5. the reason for a court's judgment (as opposed to the decision itself)
6. a vague idea in which some confidence is placed; "his impression of her was favorable"; "what are your feelings about the crisis?"; "it strengthened my belief in his sincerity"; "I had a feeling that she was lying" [syn: impression]

 

[~Krystal~]

Paper Mario

-Sakurai has expressed disinterest in putting clones in, theres a possiblity he sees P.Mario as nothing more but a Mario clone.

-Paper Mario would make an excellent AT. (Which is a scary thing for a PC hopeful)

-There have been no mentions of P.Mario suggestions on the Sakurai list.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Lawl, no. That was a false statement, not an opinion.

It was an opinion. I'm sure if you use logic, you could quite easily proove me wrong. But I'm still to see you do that.

And just for that whole second part, do you really think Sakurai thought:

"Hrm, maybe I should make a poll to see which Characters the fans would like in Brawl most."

*Makes Poll*

*A while later*

"Lawl! OMFG! Liek, they nubbs fought i wud, liek, actually look at teh poll! LOLOLOL!"

I don't. I'm not sure if that would fall under opinions, or common sense..

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

I've yet to be completely blown away by the character choices going into Brawl (other than when they announced Snake).

Not me, brother.

For me it's been Snake, Sonic, and PT. Maybe not completely blown away (except Snake) but general astoundment.

Sakurai has expressed disinterest in putting clones in, theres a possiblity he sees P.Mario as nothing more but a Mario clone.

I don't see this info coming from the top reputable game sources. Just like the info on alt. costumes, IC's being removed, and others I don't even care enough about to mention.

 

[CodeBlack]

Wow, I've never seen such a large example of a good idea being completely derailed the way this thread was.

You, Rayairia, had a good idea, a break from all the other argumentatiev threads out there. Inevitably, others came and turned this thread into those other threads. It's recuperating, but it's slow.

Unfortunately, I don't have anything to help it get back on track. I wasn't really supporting particular characters, but neither do I want certain characters out. I'm happy when specific characters get their due (like Dedede and Diddy, and especially Sonic) but I not really into it enough to argue for specific characters, just to be happy that they're in.

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

By stating this:

Wow, I've never seen such a large example of a good idea being completely derailed the way this thread was.

You, Rayairia, had a good idea, a break from all the other argumentatiev threads out there. Inevitably, others came and turned this thread into those other threads. It's recuperating, but it's slow.

You're just doing exactly what you are criticizing lol