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Xbox's Answer To Smash Bros

Discussion in 'Light House' started by ZealousGamer, Mar 9, 2018.

  1. ZealousGamer

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    I'm a huge fan of both Super Smash Bros. and the Xbox. I've been wanting Microsoft to get their own crossover going for years! As both Nintendo and Sony have had their own crossovers why not let the Xbox have its own?

    The Roster has a lot of potential: (In no particular order) (Not basing on importance. Just listing how many there could be.)

    1. Master Chief (Halo)
    2. Marcus Fenix (Gears of War)
    3. Banjo & Kazooie (Banjo Kazooie)
    4. Jack of Blades (Fable)
    5. Kameo (Kameo: Elements of Power)
    6. Blinx (Blinx: The Time Sweeper)
    7. Vince (Voodoo Vince)
    8. Joanna Dark (Perfect Dark)
    9. The Agent (Crackdown)
    10. Conker (Conker's Bad Fur Day)
    11. Steve (Minecraft)
    12. Commander Shepard (Mass Effect)
    13. Ori (Ori and the Blind Forest)
    14. Stubbs (Stubbs the Zomibie in Rebel Without a Pulse)
    15. Frank West (Dead Rising)
    16. Kaim Argonar (Lost Odyssey)
    17. Shu (Blue Dragon)
    18. Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
    19. Kasumi (Dead or Alive)
    20. Raikoh (Otogi)

    Edit: More characters:
    21. Cuphead (Cuphead)
    22. Arbiter (Halo)
    23. General Raam (Gears of War)
    24. Fulgore (Killer Instinct)
    25. Teresa (Fable)
    26. Gruntilda
    27. Samson (Fuzion Frenzy)
    28. Stranger (Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath)
    29. Overlord (Overlord)
    30. Crimson King (Otogi)
    31. Rash (Battletoads)
    32. Zitz (Battletoads)
    33. Pimple (Battletoads)
    34. Elvis (Perfect Dark)
    35. Tartarus (Halo)
    36. 'Splosion Man
    37. Ms. 'Splosion Man
    38. The Gunstringer ( The Gunstringer)
    39. Dust & Fidget ( Dust: An Elysian Tail)
    40. Solus (Breakdown)

    Edit: Possible Stages
    - Silent Cartographer (Halo)
    - Requiem (Halo)
    - High Charity (Halo)
    - Jacinto (Gears of War)
    - The Hallow (Gears of War)
    - Raven's Nest (Gears of War)
    - Spiral Mountain (Banjo Kazooie)
    - Gruntilda's Lair (Banjo Kazooie)
    - Mumbo's Mountain Picture (Banjo Kazooie)
    - Tattered Spire (Fable)
    - Heroes Guild (Fable)
    - Bowerstone (Fable)
    - Carrington Institute (Perfect Dark)
    - Lucerne Tower (Perfect Dark)
    - Area 51 (Perfect Dark)
    - Pacific City (Crackdown)
    - Grand Staff (Lost Odyssey)
    - City of Numara (Lost Odyssey)
    - White Boa (Lost Odyssey)
    - Astral Plane (Killer instinct)
    - The Pinnacle (Killer Instinct)
    - Village of Whispers (Killer Instinct)

    More stages to be added.

    Edit: Possible Modes
    - Single Player (Story)
    - Single Player (Arcade)
    - 4 Player FFA (Timed)
    - 4 Player FFA (Life)
    - 4 Player Team Battle (Timed)
    - 4 Player Team Battle (Life)

    Mini Game Mode:
    - Sumo (Fuzion Frenzy)
    - Twisted System (Fuzion Frenzy)
    - Blast Man Standing (Fuzion Frenzy)

    * More Modes to be added



    Edit: I'd like to add that certain franchises have crossed over before in the past:

    - In Halo 3: We got a Spartan Armor based of Ryu Hayabusa's armor for multiplayer.
    - In Dead or Alive 4: Spartan 458 Nichole was a guest character.
    -In Killer Instinct: Rash from Battletoads, The Arbiter from Halo, and General Raam from Gears of War were all guest characters.
    - In Perfect Dark (Xbox 360 version): The Agent from Crackdown is playable in multiplayer.
    - Minecraft: There are dozens of Xbox related skins
    - In Ninja Gaiden (Original Xbox version): There is a Prototype Xbox that can be found.
     
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  2. KEYLIME SSB

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    Microsoft’s games are spread across too many genres, art styles, and maturity ratings for it to be a successful crossover. Nintendo games have a lot of similar facets, and that’s why SSB worked out.
     
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  3. ZealousGamer

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    That didn't keep Playstation Allstars from working. If the game could get an effectively creative team they can make it work.

    Smash Bros characters are also from many genres so, that wouldn't effect anything. The most they have in common is the more bright themes. However, many characters (Solid Snake and Bayonetta to give examples) were not using these themes but were changed to fit better. Most of Snake moves were toned back as well as Bayonettas'.

    Same can be said about art styles. Fire Emblem has a way different art style than Kirby or Mario. Xenoblade has a much different art style than Starfox.

    Maturity isn't really a factor as all characters could be made to fit a "T" Rating. If Nintendo can manage to tone down Bayonetta; then Xbox can tone down Marcus Fenix.

    What helps make something like Smash Bros works is the amount of fan bases it reaches. It partially does because it covers so many franchises and genres that it brings all of those fans together. Halo, Gears of War, Banjo Kazooie, Fable etc. all have huge fan bases and can bring them all together to have fun together.

    I know as both a Halo and Gears of War fan that I'd be so happy to see Master Chief fight with or against Marcus Fenix. We even got a sneak peak at a Halo vs Gears fight with both the Arbiter and General Raam guest appearing in Killer Instinct. Both Halo and Gears of War fans (like myself) went nuts over just that happening. So, what do you think would happen if we got a full fledged crossover?

    What also helps Smash Bros succeed is the chaotic 4 player (or more) battles. As someone who loves both Super Smash Bros. and Playstation Allstars; I'd love if Xbox got it's own crossover. Imagine not only Master Chief vs Marcus Fenix but, Master Chief vs Marcus Fenix vs Banjo Kazooie vs Jack of Blades. That to me would be a dream come true.
     
  4. ZealousGamer

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    Possible Item List Time!

    Items:
    - Cloak (Halo)
    - Overshield (Halo)
    - Needler (Halo)
    - Gravity Hammer (Halo)
    - Torque Bow (Gears of War)
    - Ink Grenade (Gears of War)
    - Hammer of Dawn (Gears of War)
    - Potions (Fable)
    - Chicken (Fable)
    - Chesty (Fable)
    - Music Box (Fable)
    - X-Ray Scanner (Perfect Dark)
    - Rocket Launcher (Perfect Dark)
    - Laser (Perfect Dark)
    - Reaper (Perfect Dark)
    - Agility Orb (Crackdown)
    - Quacker (Crackdown)
    - Portable Launch Pad (Crackdown)
    - Ender Pearl (Minecraft)

    For now I wouldn't be adding any items from third party games.

    If you'd like to add any items; feel free to add what you believe is missing.
     
    #4 ZealousGamer, Mar 10, 2018
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  5. ZealousGamer

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    200 + views and only 1 comment. Does anyone else have an opinion they'd like to share? Anything they'd like to add?
     
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  7. ZealousGamer

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    Thank you. Adding any ideas or linking video about a Xbox Smash style game can be helpful. The video is actually not that bad for the most part too. Although I'd rather not add anything from Forza as a character. Maybe as a stage.
     
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    No love for ‘Splosion Man?

    In all seriousness, I find this to be an amazing idea and one I would actually play.

    Assist characters could include Mumbo Jumbo (Banjo-Kazooie) and the Prophet of Truth (Halo).
     
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    How the hell would a car even work as a playable fighter anyway?! I do have some ideas for music
     
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  10. ZealousGamer

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    I actually forgot about 'Splosion Man. I've never played the game so, I'll update. Should I also add Ms. 'Splosion Man?
     
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    I have some ideas for miscellaneous items/trophies
     
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    The two are very similar to the point of being a Olimar/Alph situation.

    Then again, I can see Ms. ‘Splosion Man having a different move set/more powerful moves so adding her could be alright.
     
  13. ZealousGamer

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    Go for it. I'd love to see more Characters, Items, or Stages.

    I'd even love to see ideas for new Modes.
     
  14. ZealousGamer

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    We are now up to 40 characters! I'm aware that some of these characters many people may not be aware of. However, I thought it'd be fun to add a little more fan service for fans of some of these hidden gems. Enjoy!

    Edit: I will gladly add Modes too if anyone would like to have a little extra fun!
     
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  15. ZealousGamer

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    I added a few possible modes. They are basic but, I felt some needed to be added.
     
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    Music ideas:
    Halo theme- Halo: Combat Evolved
    Halo Theme Mjolnir Mix-Halo 2
    Rock Anthem for Saving the World: Halo 2
    Warthog Run- Halo 3
    ODST Overture - Halo 3: ODST
    Winter Contigency- Halo Reach
    117- Halo 4
    Siege of Madril
    The Trials- Halo 5: Guardians
     
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    When I was younger I wanted this to happen but as I have gotten older I don't think this is the best idea. The reason why is tone. Smash and nintendo in general tends to have very happy and colorful characters, while xbox doesn't. There is tons of more gore and seriousness, and because of the lack of more cartoonish characters it wouldn't do that well. IMO besides playing like *** why Playstation Allstars didnt do well, but I would love to be proven wrong.
     
  18. ZealousGamer

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    Looking at newer Smash Brothers (Brawl added Snake and 4 added Bayonetta); it has changed a lot of the tone it used to have for the most part. Looking at current requests from Smash fans shows they are willing to include Doom Marine or Scorpion. I don't think tone is as relevant as it used to be.

    I think part of the reason Playstation Allstars didn't do as well is because of 2 main reasons: 1. Missing icons (No Crash, Spyro, Cloud Strife, Lara Croft, Snake or even Classic Dante). 2. Kill System/ Super Meter: I personally liked this feature but not everyone did. Having the Super ability be the only way to kill an opponent isn't always appealing. Had Battle Royal included more modes it could have done better.

    If we got a Smash Bros style game for Xbox featuring Xbox characters it depends on how it plays and what characters it includes. Looking at my current list; there are enough characters (many wouldn't be added I acknowledge) to keep potential fans entertained. Characters from games like Halo, Gears of War, Banjo Kazooie, Fable, Dead Rising, Mass Effect, Ninja Gaiden ect. have huge fan bases to attract an audience.

    If it plays as well as Smash Bros and have a creative and fun enough gimmick of its own it can even get non Xbox fans. I personally played my Xbox systems more than my Nintendo systems but I love Super Smash Bros. It just needs a chance.
     
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    I do think that people asking for mature characters like scorpion and doom guy may be more of a vocal minority, While smash has added Bayonetta and Snake those more "edgy" characters are definetly a minority of the roster. But you are right in the sense that if it plays well that fans will come, but I dont think that non xbox fans would come. The reason why so many older or non nintendo fans play is because at some point they have played a nintendo game and probably have nostalgia lead them. This case is alot harder for xbox because there aren't as many people who grew up with these characters and if they have the probably haven't abandoned the xbox ship (granted I have)
     
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    Funny enough the only Nintendo games I really play are Legend of Zelda, Pokemon, and Splatoon. So, I don't even have much of a connection to even a 10th of the roster. Halo, Gears, Fable, Crackdown, Perfect Dark, Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect, Ninja Gaiden, Dead Rising etc. I've played a lot of. So, I'd be hyped if we got a Xbox version of Smash.

    I will also say that Xbox owns Rare so, even some Nintendo fans might even join in just for the excuse to play as Banjo & Kazooie, Joanna Dark or Conker. It wouldn't even surprise me if some of them would pick a Rare character just to pummel Master Chief or Marcus Fenix. :p
     
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    Yeah, I do like this idea. I've been thinking about it a lot myself, ever since the Xbox One launched. I believe such a fighter would consist mostly of Rareware characters, so they could possiblymarket it as a Rareware fighter first with Microsoft guest characters.

    But the main thing I take issue with is making it yet another Smash clone. I feel that road has been seriously trodden, and I think they should make it more like Fuzion Frenzy/Power Stone. We haven't seen a proper Power Stone-style fighter in ages, and I think it has some seriously untapped potential to be a new popular style of competitive fighting game.
     
  22. ZealousGamer

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    It wouldn't make sense to treat Rare and Xbox as separate. Microsoft owns Rare. It wouldn't be "guest characters". Just Xbox characters fighting each other. Preferably 2D Brawler like Smash Bros. It just works better. Besides, about less than half (possibly about a quarter) would be Rare characters anyway.It's not like Rare characters are from the same franchise. Banjo & Kazooie and Joanna Dark aren't technically in the same universe (per say).
     
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    Saying it "works better" is completely subjective. There's so much they could do with a 3D arena fighter in the vein of Power Stone, and it would help the game stand out with its own identity rather than having people give them endless criticism for making "another Smash clone", because that is a problem and common criticism regardless. And I only call it a Rareware fighter in the sense that Rare owns the majority of the IP that would appear in such a game.
     
  24. ZealousGamer

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    Then it goes from being a Smash Clone to a Powerstone Clone. Same problem exists.

    Smash Bros basically created it's own sub genre. The complaints aren't as much about the gameplay style as just being a Console Mascot Fighter. Even if it was made into a more Powerstone style game Smash bros fans would still treat it as an attempt to copy Smash Bros success. I enjoy Smash Bros style games (yes I actually liked Playstation Allstars). I feel as though it'd be better of going with what was more successful. And Smash Bros is more successful than Powerstone.
     

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