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Probably both.Do you think he would be considered bottom tier or just not as good as he used to be?
Shield breaker is 19 frames, good players aren't going to get their shields broken very often by this thing, I can probably dodge it on reaction while shielding consistently and I suckHe has a mixup game and shield-breaker is better now..
Takes a read, ya, but it's still a viable option. You can also charge it to handle spot-dodges and get a free hit and they can't just sit in shield with it. IIRC shield commitment is 17 frames.Shield breaker is 19 frames, good players aren't going to get their shields broken very often by this thing, I can probably dodge it on reaction while shielding consistently and I suck
Brawl Ganon could kill that early, too. Still bottom tier.I character that has a chance of killing as early as Marth can won't be bottom, really.
This isn't Brawl, for one. For another, Ganon had far more issues then S4 Marth does. They aren't even close enough to being the same to be comparable based on that one attribute.Brawl Ganon could kill that early, too. Still bottom tier.