Will falco make it to Brawl?

[Biolink]

That could maybe work, but I think you're confused about some things. Yes, StarFox 64 can be beaten in under 30 minutes (check out speed demos); to FULLY beat the game, it take 1.5 hours. But guess what...so can Metroid Prime and that is a modern game. Fact is, people spend hours and hours and hours mastering a game so that any game is reduced down to a few hours at most.

I do agree that they should take that and make it even better and more challenging, but I don't think that that is a valid argument talking about a game being too easy because someone can beat it in a few hours.

The game offered 3 different paths,and two slightly different endings,but there is no way I would ante up $60 bucks for a game that I could travel all 3 different paths and get the Bad and Good ending in just about 3 hours.


Honestly you would put Starfox 64 on a shelf right now and sell it for 60 bucks?The game is really nice,and I never even had a problem with it being to easy.

But if you were to create a rail shooting Starfox game right now,it would have to be much longer than Starfox 64(Which would create a problem within itself,because exactly how long can you keep a rail shooter interesting,without going too overboard on the length?),or have 9 or 10 different endings like Starfox Command did.

I love the old formula,but it's not as easy as it looks to keep everybody interested.Either you will have new people complaining about only piloting in the ships or you will have older fans complaining about too much time spent outside of the ships.

 

[Teethpaste]

Falco should defently be in brawl or if falco is disconfurmed atleast have wolf so fox can have his enemy i mean Gannondarwf and Link Bowser and Mario etc

 

[Brockman5]

I think Brawl will be much cleaner without clones,i mean we have got Cpt.Falcon - Ganondorf ,Mario-Luigi,Fox-Falco . its time just use one of them ,no ganon or falco. I mean its the same character as fox only difference Falco is a falcon instead of a fox

You must not be very good with falco to think that him and fox are the same thing...there are so many different aspects... that seperate them...take their shines for example..

 

[the grim lizard]

The game offered 3 different paths,and two slightly different endings,but there is no way I would ante up $60 bucks for a game that I could travel all 3 different paths and get the Bad and Good ending in just about 3 hours.


Honestly you would put Starfox 64 on a shelf right now and sell it for 60 bucks?The game is really nice,and I never even had a problem with it being to easy.

But if you were to create a rail shooting Starfox game right now,it would have to be much longer than Starfox 64(Which would create a problem within itself,because exactly how long can you keep a rail shooter interesting,without going too overboard on the length?),or have 9 or 10 different endings like Starfox Command did.

I love the old formula,but it's not as easy as it looks to keep everybody interested.Either you will have new people complaining about only piloting in the ships or you will have older fans complaining about too much time spent outside of the ships.

$60?? I've never seen a Wii game for that much yet, and I don't anticipate it anytime soon. I know I couldn't beat SF in 3 hours (well, haven't tried), but those guys are pros. Anyway, I hear what you're saying and agree, but I still think that you're being a little too hard on SF64.

 

[Aeramis]

Falco with new move set and new look for brawl! Can I have it?

 

[MFZ95]

Falco would be better if he had a new moveset,but all in favor of putting Krystal?

 

[chaos_Leader]

You must not be very good with falco to think that him and fox are the same thing...there are so many different aspects... that seperate them...take their shines for example..

Its true, the two appear quite similar, aesthetically and in combat. However, they are different enough that many of fox players, such as myself, cannot smoothly transition into the Falco 'groove'. I have the utmost respect for the character Falco and their players (being among some of the toughest opponents). but here's the deal; if Falco is to be included on the SSBB roster, it is more than likely that he is to be modified from his previous incarnation to further deviate from Fox. How outraged would such a Falco player be? If said character has a moveset that was nearly completely different from Fox but remained in roughly the same teir of play?
Basically the great rant boils down to; Would you be miffed if you got falco, but it turns out he's a rather different (not unnecessarily less of a-) character than what you're used to? Would it be a big deal?

 

[muesli]

Yes i think Falco will make it to brawl but i HOPE really he doesnt look like in the new strafox games its ok if he look like the falco from the 1rst Starfox for the Cube and not like this -> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/c/c1/FalcoSFA.jpg

uearghh he looks so ugly
For the best he should look like in SSBM but with more details like mario or link
a new moveset will be nice to but the old is ok too.


muesli

 

[Crooked Crow]

Falco should be in if he had a more original and unique moveset, and was still a great and fun player to use.
I'm sure if Falco makes it back in, they'll give him a great look, just look they did with Fox.

 

[f4lc0_m0nk3y]

Falco with new move set and new look for brawl! Can I have it?

as long as he has his blaster and his shine
i dont care what his other moves are
oh also keep f-smash d-smash u-tilt d-tilt
those are good too

and the one i forgot the most important
the dair

 

[the grim lizard]

as long as he has his blaster and his shine
i dont care what his other moves are
oh also keep f-smash d-smash u-tilt d-tilt
those are good too

Screw that...I want his dair!

 

[f4lc0_m0nk3y]

Screw that...I want his dair!

lol i dont know how the hell i forgot about
that!!!

 

[WIND SMASHER X]

Yep His Dair is whats awesome and no way the pillar is leaving this time around.

 

[wilson7913]

I don't like it that he will be but, but I imagine he'll be in the release. I hate how there's so many similar characters. It wouldn't be difficult to change them up.

 

[chaos_Leader]

as long as he has his blaster and his shine
i dont care what his other moves are
oh also keep f-smash d-smash u-tilt d-tilt
those are good too

and the one i forgot the most important
the dair

So if we want to keep, the shine, the blaster, F-smash, D-smash U-tilt, D-tilt and D-air, What can you change? those are all stock Falco moves for the most part, It'd be basically the same character.

 

[1wingedangel]

There is no other solution. Falco has to be in ssbb cause he is as important as fox. and btw. he's got a lot style.

So this is how I think about it.

greets

1wingedangel

 

[the grim lizard]

So if we want to keep, the shine, the blaster, F-smash, D-smash U-tilt, D-tilt and D-air, What can you change? those are all stock Falco moves for the most part, It'd be basically the same character.

Don't forget nair, bair, and >b (I love that spike). You can get rid of his fair for all I care...that stupid move made me SD all the time. Basically...same Falco but a better horizontal and vertical recovery.

 

[Viroxor]

Somebody posted a really awesome drawing of Falco. When he's in Brawl, he needs to be like in that drawing.

EDIT: Found it!

 

[the grim lizard]

For anyone who hasn't seen it: The reason why Falco deserve to be in Brawl even more than Fox.

 

[krackizwak]

i have know doubt that falco will be in ssbb, but i see him being luigified, couple of A moves redone and maybe one or two B moves change. I just dont think that they really should completely mess with him gameplay. Though i can see him getting nerfed(and fox).

 

[the grim lizard]

Yeah, that's fine with me. Give him a few moves of his own; that's fine, but keep a lot of his old (different than Fox) moves. I could easily see him working like that in Brawl. Also, as someone brought up earlier, I don't see him getting picked over Wolf and Krystal...like we really need 3 canines in Brawl. Falco is a completely different species; that automatically boosts his chance for return.

 

[axemangx]

Hes a clone of fox, but souped up. Not returning.

 

[the grim lizard]

Hes a clone of fox, but souped up. Not returning.

Way to read anything in the thread before you post (particularly the one right above yours, which clearly gives a good reason why he is). gg

 

[Tujex]

They should turn him into his own character rather than a simple clone like they did for this game. As long as they keep his ADA I'll be happy with his return. I mean, i don't see why one of the most used characters in the previous game wouldn't return....

 

[mastertrainer]

falco must stay )=
sunder him there is no fun to kill them in tournements whit my ganon

 

[Pieman0920]

Falco...I don't know about this bird. He has enough importance to return, but he should be retooled, and get a better move set. You know that bazooka he had in the Star Fox Assault art? He could have that out at all times, and use it instead of a standard gun. Though it may look odd with the Cracker launcher…perhaps he could strap his standard one to his back, or maybe just use some type of futuristic thing that warps it away for when he’s holding another item. But for moves…let me think here...

Neutral B: A slow shot that sends out a spiraling fire shell. It has to be different from the cracker launcher blast, so it would blow opponents away, but rather drill at them.

Forward B: Falco turns his bazooka behind him, and fires it, sending Falco rocketing forward. The attack’s speed and power would be slow at first, but if he keeps it up, they will increase. Too much use of this though could send Falco shooting off the stage by accident.

Up B: Falco turns his rocket launcher to the ground, and makes three quick bursts from it, sending him upwards. This would be much more vertical than horizontal though. The opponent would be damaged by the shots if under them.

Down B: A grenade would be good for this, where Falco just pulls out one, and throws it on the ground, as it rolls forward. After a second or so, the thing will detonate with the range of Samus’s morph bombs.

 

[the grim lizard]

You mean this?:

Ehh, I really don't like it. It's too showy. I like the blaster. And I don't think he needs anything like that slowing him down. I think his B move should remain the same, possibly his reflector, too. His ^B and >B can be changed for all I care. Revamp a few of his A-moves, too, to make them original. That's fine.

Also, to the guy who suggested how Falco should look in Brawl, I like this version better:

 

[Viroxor]

That could be an alternate. I mostly liked the one picture because it gave him a cool head shape and an amazingly sharp beak. That could be one of his attacks right there.

 

[Vilt]

I have nothing against Falco but nope. Hoping on Krystal though.

 

[the grim lizard]

Krystal is a ****. And...Falco is the best SF character there is. I don't get the ignorance of people saying "nope, he's out" just like that. OK, he was a clone, that's his only strike. But people want to kick out ICs and G&W, too, and they were original. I think a lot of people just have some screws loose.

Bottom line: There is no reason not to have Falco return.

 

[Circus]

Krystal is a ****. And...Falco is the best SF character there is. I don't get the ignorance of people saying "nope, he's out" just like that. OK, he was a clone, that's his only strike. But people want to kick out ICs and G&W, too, and they were original. I think a lot of people just have some screws loose.

Bottom line: There is no reason not to have Falco return.

QFT

I never played SF Command, but that is where they got Fox's current Brawl look, yeah? I would assume Falco would look the way he does there. Though I do really like his look in Assault.

 

[shocker90]

If Falco does it make it to Brawl he needs a whole new moveset so that all his moves are original, and I would also like to see him with a cool new look

 

[the grim lizard]

I wouldn't want a completely new moveset. People who say "He shouldn't get in or if he does he should have a completely new moveset." Are people who didn't play him in Melee. Keep some moves; change some moves. That's how it should be.

 

[Pieman0920]

Well that's Falco's problem with returning in the first place.

It's a catch 22. Fans of Falco want him to return to Brawl, unchanged for the most part, so that they are still using the Falco they know and love. But he'd be a clone, and most people don't want any of that.

I really don't think the Falco of Brawl, if he's even in, will play like the one from Melee. At the very least, if he does retain some semblance, his moves will still be altered a good deal, so that it would be more like Luigi to Mario, rather than Dr. Mario to Mario.

 

[freeman123]

Why is there even a topic about whether or not Falco will return? That's like asking if Luigi will return.

 

[Pieman0920]

There is a topic asking if Luigi will return. >_>

And since Falco is a clone, it's a legitimate concern.

 

[freeman123]

Pieman0920
There is a topic asking if Luigi will return. >_>

I know. I was deliberately describing a similar situation.

Pieman0920
And since Falco is a clone, it's a legitimate concern.

No it isn't. They already said that they're completely redoing all of the characters, so there's no reason why he has to be a clone.

 

[Pieman0920]

Well sarcasm is difficult to spot in text, and not all characters are being completely being redone. Also, there aren't many way to give Falco a move set, seeing as the nature in which he fights is limited.

Plus, Falco fans don't really want him to be changed.

 

[freeman123]

Pieman0920
not all characters are being completely being redone.

Yes they are. Sakurai already said that all characters are being completely redone from scratch.

Pieman0920
Plus, Falco fans don't really want him to be changed.

They don't want him to be taken out of the game, either.

 

[Pieman0920]

I actually did have a problem in a debate where I mentioned that Sakurai said there would be no clones in Brawl, but I didn't have the link. Is this what you are talking about now? If it is, I'd like to have it for future refrence.

And yes, I think they'd probably prefer Falco in changed, rather than Falco not in at all. For instance, no one seemed to care for that Bazooka Falco moveset I made back there, but at least it's something diffrent.