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Originally posted by Hmoob Koob
Wait a minute, <3, you believe that people who like realism is slow?...so I'm guessing that people who need fantasy are stupid right? Madden, is pretty close to realism, so everyone who's eyed to that must be slow, or that Metal Gear Solid, a pretty close to realism game is also geared towards slow people am I right?
Wow there buddy You took me out of context, I have nothing agianst realistic games. Metal gear is great, one of my favorite games actually.
Now what I ment, and I;ll try to say it a little more clearly this time, is that I lack respect for people who won't play a game because the graphics arn't "realisic" or because the game isn't "realistic" the people who need realism to sit down and play through a game.
Some of the best games ever lack this realism fad crap; SSMB, Zelda, the FF serise name just a few and there are people in the world today that haven't played these game beacause they arn't realistic enough those are the people who I was calling slow.

Oh and while I'm here comparing Mario Kart to Grand Turismo is like comparing Smash to Soul Caliber. they are very different games even if the are in the same general genre.

Originally posted by Cashed
I hate this topic so much. :|
Yeah, I'm starting to agree...
 

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bump!(I just feel now with the ps3 and all nintendo needs more help then ever)

Its true though,if ya live in canada look at all the people(who arent 17+ today)
They hate nintendo becuase its "childish" or "the graphics suck" and beat you up becuase you tell them graphics isnt everything.

guess its true what they say:
these days american children are becoming idiots =P

Please keep this open.you would if you were a true nintendo fan!
 

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bump!(I just feel now with the ps3 and all nintendo needs more help then ever)

Its true though,if ya live in canada look at all the people(who arent 17+ today)
They hate nintendo becuase its "childish" or "the graphics suck" and beat you up becuase you tell them graphics isnt everything.

guess its true what they say:
these days american children are becoming idiots =P

Please keep this open.you would if you were a true nintendo fan!
Gee this topic is nearly 2 years old. Anyways, how does Canadians hating Nintendo for "bad graphics" and "being childish" have to do with American children being idiots?
 

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Do it by the numbers...
PS3- 833,988 worldwide, although it hasn't launched in Europe
Wii- 2,114,934 worldwide, all three regions, and moving into Korea next year
360- 9,328,439 worldwide, apparently a bit short of their "10,000,000 by '07" goal but not bad for one year on the market.
Meh... Halo has some nice multiplayer, but I think otherwise, in the area of weapons, arenas, modes, etc it's about average. It's popular due to very good online support. And sticky grenades. I'd rather play Smash online than Halo... purely personal taste. And... dude... PS3 had a somewhat bad launch, but it's not gonna kill Sony or be a huge flop or anything. I like the competition. Whoever wins... so do we! Unless it's Sony because then we'd pay $1200 for games, and $60000 for a system...
Whatever happened to New Console Debates?
 

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I really have'nt read the whole thread. But in response to the first post in general. Nintendo really has'nt been struggling.

They have Game Boy, Pocket, Color, Advance, SP, DS, and Lite. Not to mention that they were actually making money off of their Gamecube console regardless of it not doing the best in the last generation system wars.

Simply put, Nintendo was'nt really struggling in the first place, and as long as they don't have any strong resistence in the handheld market (which does'nt seem to likely right now), they will stay here for quite some time to come.

As for other game companies, like Sega, they failed because they stop supporting their systems after a short amount of time. 32X, Sega CD, Saturn, were all big investments. And just after a while, outta nowhere, they just stop making games or stop supporting those systems after a short time. IMO, Sega, deserves where they are at now.
 

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Also in responce to the first post in the thread,
Nintendo gave something to talk about positively... A new system in which even adults can play(yes, my perants did play the wii, and it was deffinately entertaining. lol). On top of that, its cheap, there are a lot of them, therefor giving positive reviews.

PS3 on the other hand, had something to talk about, but there system is so expensive... That is what is overshadowing other aspects of the system...which is the cost of it. on top of that, the cost of the system forced them to make less systems, and releasing less.

In this way, nintendo was smart buisness wise to make a cheaper system that everyone can talk about and play. Therefor, in this way, they wont be dieing out anytime soon, if at all.

Oh and P.S.: I wouldnt worry about the recall.. it's on the STRAPS ONLY. The System itself had absolutely nothing to do with it, and the straps, really... i dotn see anything wrong with.
 

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I will definitely agree with you about the market being flooded with FPS titles. I have not bothered to count how many times a person can "play through World War II" because last time I attempted I was ready to break things. And while the example of GTA influencing real world violence does indeed sounds terrible, I'm not quite sure I agree with video games being such a huge factor in violence. Teen violence especially, seeing as many teens today also face these problems:

-depression
-drug and acohol abuse
-social ostratization and bullying
-family issues
-etc.

I know this is a rather generic statement, but I am aware of more cases of teens commiting violent crimes over drugs or money as opposed to being influenced by games. I will, however, agree that many games, ESPECIALLY FPS games seem to be getting more needlessly violent. Now, as far as RPG's are concerned, they, by their own nature, have to rely more on story than racing games or fighting games. I could see how graphics could play a part in that.

However, I also agree that some people are making too big a deal out of graphics nowadays. Prime example, Sonic the Hedgehog for XBox 360 and PS3. Graphically it was one of the best Sonic games I've ever seen. However, the gameplay had not changed and occasionally was so broken that it frustrated me greatly. You can bump up graphics till you're blue in the face, but if the gameplay sucks, I won't buy it.

People were mad that Nintendo didn't include HD for the Wii. I could see all their angry posts on boards and crap, and in the meantime I'm thinking, "Who the hell cares? The graphics serve the purposes of the games perfectly, and it's not like I'm going to hate, say, TWILIGHT PRINCESS because of a minor disadvantage in the graphics dept."

That is why I find your rant to be so insightful, Creature_85. Nintendo was, is, and shall remain to be my number one choice in video games because they know that releasing unique games with engaging gameplay and innovative features is waht will ultimately sell more games to a wider selection of people. When given the choice between Halo or Twilight Princess, I'll stick with my pal Link thank you very much.

Now I'm not condemning all FPS games either. I happen to think Halo is a wonderful series, even if I am no good at it:chuckle: . Metroid Prime is also an excellent series. But apart from them, I don't see much in FPS games except for alot of blood and mindless killing.

And I 100% absolutely agree with you on Smash Bros. While it might not techinically be a fighting game, it's given the general genre whole new life. I can't wait for Brawl and when given the choice between it and Halo 3... well, sorry Master Chief, but I'm Meta-Knight's slave, not yours!

You win, good sir. Thank you for saying what needed to be said.:cool:
 

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Prepare for a longer than usual read

I realize I won't get a response from this guy but I want people with the same perspective to get the message.

Hereafter is a summary of the thoughts that have been bouncing through my mind of late, that I finally decided to put into an organized rant. (That my friends, is a classy first sentence)

Over the past few years, Nintendo has really been struggling. Sony with Playstation, and now Microsoft with X-box, have been strong competitors, repeatedly outselling them, and buying developers left and right.

I will cede that the X-box and Playstation2 consoles are superior to the Gamecube. PSP does have better graphics hardware than the DS. But a console is only as good as its games. And that, is why Nintendo will succeed.

Nintendo has lasted through the ages. It has survived gaming greats like Sega, and Atari. And it has for one reason, and one reason only, its games.

And of course you are saying, "But Jon! Look at Halo! Look at GTA! Those games are way better than anything Nintendo has!"

To which I can only reply, "Better by whose standards?" Sure, they sold better, but only because they had two things that for some reason, most people find the only important things in a game: Senseless violence, and good graphics.
And a little something called 'fun'. If you wanna go back to Atari or anything from the 1st gen be my guest.

Graphics mostly can be blamed for the downfall of gaming. If we continue to pay companies for games based soley on their graphics quality, then gaming will continue on it's downward trend. If good gameplay continues to be overlooked because of graphics, then gaming will eventually collapse into movies and pornography controlled by a controller instead of a remote.

In the words of the wise sage, Brian Clevinger, "Using 3D graphics just because the console can process them is somewhat like having a voice say 'Keep on gamin', soldier!' every five seconds just because the console can produce CD quality sound."
This is a good point, the only problem is you make it sound lke every game would be better if they were still 2D with monophonic tones.

There is one thing that makes Nintendo games better than all the rest: Originality. And I'm not just some Nintendo fanboy shooting his mouth off, I have legitimate proof. In several different genres.

The biggest and most important example is:

Fighting Games

Fighting games have not progressed in the last two decades at all. The new ones may be covered in flashy graphics, and hot girls, but really, you are just playing the same washed up Mortal Combat. Fighting games still have not progressed out of their Mortal Combat stage. Two fighters stand in a ring, and punch and kick each other until one is dead.

And then to fool you into thinking it is really a new game, they add great graphics and scantily clad female characters bouncing around and poking through their tops. It's pathetic how low gaming has sunk, just to sell.

So anyway, to the point. To counter this pathetic monotony, Nintendo unleashes the greatest fighting game series of all time: Super Smash Brothers and Super Smash Brothers Melee.

These two are the first original fighting games of this gaming generation. They combine the same great elements of fighting games, using individual characters with unique abilities and different styles, and combine it with a brand new way to look at fighting games. They actually use levels to change the gaming experience. Levels are bigger than 30 foot rings, they now contain an enormous enviroment, which drastically effects the game.

They also take on a platforming element, with the advanced jumping and arial attacks. Suspended platforms and uneven levels make battles so much more than Punch 'em Kick 'em action. And plus, 4 players. Can't go wrong with that.

So next time you are playing Soul Calibur 2, and making Taki run back and forth just so you can see her bounce, think of how pathetic fighting games have become.
SC2 and 3 are better than most. Mortal Kombat is junk, and some other ones either aren't even good enough to be remembered or don't exist. Which means fighting games aren't a dime a dozen, as you make them seem.

SSBM is NOT a fighting game. Sure you fight, but that doesn't automatically make it a fighting game, SSBM is in it's own genre.


My next point lies within the ever popular:

First Person Shooters

This potentially good gaming genre has reached sick levels that make me embarrassed to be a gamer. These games stoop so low it is disgusting. Just the thought of how these monstrocities are poisoning the young impressionable minds of gamers is sickening.

Games like GTA, Hitman, and Halo, that glorify senseless violence and killing, making them seem like a harmless passtime, inconsequential normalities of life, make me retch. In GTA for example, most of the game centers around running around and commiting heinious crimes, repeated murder, drug distribution, and most namely: Grand Theft Auto. This game series makes these things seem fun! And people wonder why the crime rate is going up.

I was watching a friend play vice city. He ran outside with a baseball bat. Seeing two pedestrians walk by, he ran up and swung his bat at them, killing them both. When the Police arrived to arrest him, he ran up and beat their heads in too. Then the ambulance showed up. He ran up and killed the EMTs as they came for the bodies.

Maybe that just sickened me a little more because my dad is an RN. I don't know. What I do know is at the sight of that horrible, heartless act, and the fact that the game designers allow you to do that, I dumped the contents of my lunch on his floor.

Halo is not as bad as the other two, but it is still awful. Brutal murders are commonplace, and violence is extremely graphic.

The worst of these three is the joy called Hitman. Hitman influence has been linked to several teen murders. This game centers behind, not surprisingly, an asassin. In this game, you take down a series of heavily guarded targets. These murders are extremely brutal. Weapons featured in these games include a variety of guns, fiberwire, meathooks, shovels, pool cues, tazers, swords, and plastic bags. Other methods of killing involve drowning, smothering, beheading, and slicing throats. The game encourages you to get creative with your killing, and awards extra points for brutality.

My point is, shooters have gotten old ever since James Bond, and attempts to make somthing original have given gristly results.

From this point, it's not hard for Nintendo to make something better than this filth, but they do an amazing job with Metroid Prime. It's a refreshing break from the same old shooter we have seen, loved, and eventually gotten sick of. It combines the great adventure elements of Item collecting and problem solving with classic shooting elements. The bold single player mode is a never before seen advance in video gaming.
Here's where you shoot yourself in the foot:

GTA is not a FPS.
Hitman is not a FPS.

FPS = First person shooter
First person = From the character's point of view, i.e. through their eyes.

And Metroid isn't a FPS, it's a first person adventure. The focus is less on guns than in most FPS.

For the sake of it, I'll defend GTA [I know nothing about Hitman but at least the concept is orignal].

GTA is just a bunch of bad games mixed together to make 1 great game.

It's a bad RPG [body building, gun skills, driving skill etc.]
It's a bad Racing game [cars handle poorly]
It's a bad flight sim [planes handle too easily]
It's a bad shooter [targetting, 'nuff said]

Mix those in with a good free roam element and a couple of interesting missions and you have GTA, 1 of the best games/series created [top 100 imo].

Don't like all the violence and freeness? That's too bad, not all of us can withstand making friends [Sims] and doing chores in a game. In GTA you can do whatever the hell you want, whenever the hell you want [picking up whores for some comedy, drive bys with some fellow gang members].

It keeps the game fresh, you know, one of the most important things that separate good games from the bad ones.

Oddly enough you said nothing about Halo, but then again it's better than most, your fanboyism is really blinding you beyond belief, you sound like a parent or Jack Thompson.

Now, for the next of the three most popular genres:

Racing

Racing is probably the oldest and most generic genre of gaming. I'm sorry, but I will go from playing need for speed, and play, say grand tourismo 3, and say, "What's the difference?" Aside from different cars and courses, we're all playing the same game here. But somehow, game developers have tricked us into thinking these are different games. That, and that their game is better, despite it being the same.

Racing is a way overused and overrated genre. I'll admit I enjoy a quick race with a friend every once in a while. But we don't need 10 different racing games, that all handle pretty much the same. This is getting old.

Then here comes Nintendo, with another line of originality, Mario Kart. These games are very innovative, combining a racing game with a whole new element of using items to defeat opponents. That, plus 4 players.
I agree with this to some extent. I think Burnout is different than all of the above. Midnight Club is a nice change from the usual as well but all of the NFS are more of the same, GT is too realistic for me to even have fun with, I spin too much and it's just not fun at all.

Now, for the last, and strongest example:

Role Playing Games (RPGs)

This is where Nintendo really sticks it to Playstation. X-box does not really do much with RPGs, so I will mostly focus on Playstation. Or, most namely, Square. You guys should have stayed with Nintendo, because they are really kicking up a storm.

(Note, do not try to yell at me for using Square, instead of Squaresoft, or the Enix part of square, because I know which parts make what games, but Square is easier to type than SquareEnix)

Case in point, Final Fantasy. I have posted several times the rant by Brian Clevinger about Square's decline, but in case any readers have not seen it, here is the link: http://www.nuklearpower.com/oldvsnew.php

That summarizes the problems with Final Fantasy better than I could, so I won't go into detail.

Mainly, I would like to focus on the fact that Square's decline started after they moved to Playstation. Big surprise there. Ever since then, they have only cared about graphics. Their games are all the same, just with a new story, throw in a new weapon or summon system and there you go, new game.

And yet, with Nintendo, they made several amazing innovations. Remember all the greats in games? FF1, FF3, FF6, Chrono Trigger, just to name a few. And then they go to Playstation. Umm. . . Well, FF7 was great as far as story and characters went, Kingdom Hearts was amazing. . . and. . . umm. . . that's about it. All I can think of for now.

Well guess what, even without Square, Nintendo has done great. Great games on the Gameboy Advance such as Golden Sun, Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, and of course, Pokemon, have given a new outlook on RPGs, besides the basic FF style.

If this should be considered Spam, go ahead and close this. I am just becoming sick of the trend games are taking, and felt the need to express my voice.

EDIT: Upon further thought, I realized that this probably should not go here. I'm sorry, but I am also unable to move this after it has been made.
You shot yourself in the foot again. Gamecube is just as bad as Xbox [and now Xbox has FF11 and Oblivion, how ironic] when it comes to RPGs. I'll be leaninant [sp?] with the listing of worthwhile RPGs for the cube.

Tales of Symphonia
Paper Mario [not sure of accuracy]
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles
.... that's about it?

So unless you go way back when to get some decent Nintendo RPGs, you aren't going to get anything worth playing for a while. Also, Advanced wars and Fire Emblem are strategy games.

Another thing you are wrong about is originality.

Right now we have:
8 Mario Parties
4 Mario Karts [5 if you count the GBA one]
2 Super Smash Brothers [3 if you count Brawl]
Mario Football
Mario Tennis
Mario Basketball
Mario dancing
Mario Pinball
5 Metroids
Over 3 Kirbys
Over 7 Fire Emblems [correct me if I'm wrong]
Over 4 Donkey Kongs
Over 15 Pokemon games [I don't want the stress of counting the 64 and GC ones]

And those are the best things we have, 3rd party support is nowhere to be found, yet you call Nintendo orignal?
 

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In case you didn't know, Nintendo is actually doing better in sales than Playstation 3 by a few thousand consoles sold. Xbox 360 is only ahead by a couple of thousand systems, even with the head start release. Many people speculate that the Nintendo Wii will pass the Xbox 360 in sales in a couple of months.

Also, if you were wondering were my information came from, it came from an old article at mlgpro.com
 

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Im going to play the devil's advocate for a moment.

Nintendo will be around for a long time. Of that I am sure, but I am worried about one thing. I do not like the direction it is taking. So the Wii is selling out everywhere andNintendo's profits are way up. Woot? The fact that Nintendo has a larger target range and is profiting because of it doesnt help the gamer, it helps Nintendo.

Their new idea for games doesnt seem like the best idea for the average gamer. Sure they're putting out games I can play with my grandma (she wrecks me in Wii Bowling), but what about the games I like? Sometimes a nice bloody action or horror/survival game is what I want.

I do not like Cooking Mama ,I have no interest in Brain Age, and Wii Sports cant hold me over forever. These are the type of "origional" titles nintendo makes today. I know I can always count on a revamp on the games I've been playing since I was two, but where today's new epic games? Where's the Mario, Zelda, or Star Fox of today. Miyamoto is my favoite developer but everytime I hear him talk about designing a new game around his dog or his wife or praising a game about dolls; I lose interest . I do not want this "family game" idea to catch on. It's something that's only nice in small doses.

Nintendo makes some awsome games. They show some inovation here and ***** out their franchises there. They are no less guilty of being non-creative than Microsoft or Sony, but still manage to get us wound up for the same kinds of games we played before. Ask yourself this, when you buy a nintendo system, do you think "Wow I cant wait to see the games they're going to put out" or "Wow I cant wait for (Zelda/Mario/SSB) to come out?"

I dont expect Nintendo to come out with more than a few new franchises I'd be enthralled with. Really, I bought a Wii for the stuff Nintendo reproduces every few years. I like fat Italians who stomp on their enemies instead of beating them with a baseball bat, I like mute sword-slingers who take you through epic adventures, I like the occasional space furry tearing though a galaxy (SFA not so much), And when you have them beat the crap out of eachother you get one sweet game. It would be nice if something fresh came along, but Nintendo knows that all they have to do is put this out again and we'll eat it up. I think If I want something new that I'll enjoy, a 360 might be the way to fill that void.

Now I look for some original content from 3rd parties. The problem here is that lately they've been pushing the same exact stuff the sold last gen, or crappy games in general. I guess in a year I'll know whether they're going to make some serious effort.


(Let me get this highly derailed train back on track. Oh yes Nintendo's new direction.)

I cant say the new direction isnt original or that it wont help them in the long run, I just hope they develop some fresh games for people like me. It would be nice if the classic franchises werent the only games I could look foward to.
 

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Im going to play the devil's advocate for a moment.

Nintendo will be around for a long time. Of that I am sure, but I am worried about one thing. I do not like the direction it is taking. So the Wii is selling out everywhere andNintendo's profits are way up. Woot? The fact that Nintendo has a larger target range and is profiting because of it doesnt help the gamer, it helps Nintendo.

Their new idea for games doesnt seem like the best idea for the average gamer. Sure they're putting out games I can play with my grandma (she wrecks me in Wii Bowling), but what about the games I like? Sometimes a nice bloody action or horror/survival game is what I want.

I do not like Cooking Mama ,I have no interest in Brain Age, and Wii Sports cant hold me over forever. These are the type of "origional" titles nintendo makes today. I know I can always count on a revamp on the games I've been playing since I was two, but where today's new epic games? Where's the Mario, Zelda, or Star Fox of today. Miyamoto is my favoite developer but everytime I hear him talk about designing a new game around his dog or his wife or praising a game about dolls; I lose interest . I do not want this "family game" idea to catch on. It's something that's only nice in small doses.

Nintendo makes some awsome games. They show some inovation here and ***** out their franchises there. They are no less guilty of being non-creative than Microsoft or Sony, but still manage to get us wound up for the same kinds of games we played before. Ask yourself this, when you buy a nintendo system, do you think "Wow I cant wait to see the games they're going to put out" or "Wow I cant wait for (Zelda/Mario/SSB) to come out?"

I dont expect Nintendo to come out with more than a few new franchises I'd be enthralled with. Really, I bought a Wii for the stuff Nintendo reproduces every few years. I like fat Italians who stomp on their enemies instead of beating them with a baseball bat, I like mute sword-slingers who take you through epic adventures, I like the occasional space furry tearing though a galaxy (SFA not so much), And when you have them beat the crap out of eachother you get one sweet game. It would be nice if something fresh came along, but Nintendo knows that all they have to do is put this out again and we'll eat it up. I think If I want something new that I'll enjoy, a 360 might be the way to fill that void.

Now I look for some original content from 3rd parties. The problem here is that lately they've been pushing the same exact stuff the sold last gen, or crappy games in general. I guess in a year I'll know whether they're going to make some serious effort.


(Let me get this highly derailed train back on track. Oh yes Nintendo's new direction.)

I cant say the new direction isnt original or that it wont help them in the long run, I just hope they develop some fresh games for people like me. It would be nice if the classic franchises werent the only games I could look foward to.

I see where you are coming from, but I was just answering the first posts question.
I agree with most of what you said, but I enjoy all of Nintendo's classic titles (i.e. Mario, Zelda, Kirby). Those games satisfy my taste as an individual. although, if I feel like playing a gorey game then that is when I pull out my Xbox 360 or PS2. Alot of what you were stating was true but doesn't appeal to all gamers.
 

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I think 3rd party support is what Nintendo needs to survive, we aren't going to play Mario/Fire Emblem/Metroid/Pokemon/Starfox/Zelda forever are we?
 

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The Wii has some pretty sweet exclusives, like a Umbrella Chronicles, a new Dragon Quest, Project Hammer, a new Crystal Chronicles, a new NiGHTS game, and a lot of other stuff.

Yes, the Wii is about having fun with your family, but that doesn't mean we can't have our fun, violent games as well.
 

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The Wii has some pretty sweet exclusives, like a Umbrella Chronicles, a new Dragon Quest, Project Hammer, a new Crystal Chronicles, a new NiGHTS game, and a lot of other stuff.
There are a few good games but there are only a few. If the Wii wants to be anything more than a gimmick than some 3rd parties better step up with some quality work. At this time there are no 3rd party games that I'm willing to buy. I want more games that keep you playing after you've already beat them. Not games I just rent, beat, and find that I made a smart move in the long run.
 

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There are a few good games but there are only a few. If the Wii wants to be anything more than a gimmick than some 3rd parties better step up with some quality work. At this time there are no 3rd party games that I'm willing to buy. I want more games that keep you playing after you've already beat it. Not games I just rent, beat, and find that I made a smart move in the long run.
More wil come. Just look at the DS. Not a lot of support in the beginning, but they slowly gained more and more support until they beat out the PSP.

I have a feeling the same thing will hapen with the Wii and PS3.
 

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More wil come. Just look at the DS. Not a lot of support in the beginning, but they slowly gained more and more support until they beat out the PSP.

I have a feeling the same thing will hapen with the Wii and PS3.
That is my hope as well.


Alot of what you were stating was true but doesn't appeal to all gamers.
Correct. I felt like expressing some of my own concerns in there, but I do know a lot of people who feel the same way.
 

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whoa i remember this thread O_o what a random bump.

right now, IMO, the wii seems to be doing well. it had a great start. but i'm not really sure what the future holds... playstations have always been popular for huge diversity and system capability. however, a nintendo fanboy myself, i can proudly say that nintendo beats the odds with the gameplay and classic qualities and creativity in games.

but the wii seems like its capabilities will be played out sooner than most would think. wario ware, wii sports, and zelda have shown pretty much all the wii-mote capabilities and the only way for survival is to carry the system with increasingly innovative games and/or huge huge titles (metroid, mario, smash brawl, etc.) i only hope that nintendo doesn't stop innovating for the wii because that's what it'll take to keep up with playstation's somewhat steady perserverence in the gaming market.
 

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i know a more innovative fighting game than smash, and that game is


PowerStone 2

Not only it has 4 players but also

Huge levels
Rideable Vehicles(scooters,tanks,and other things)
Turrents
Create Items through synthesis
Item shop to enhance your items
Avatar items you can use to make your characters.
Item mode to get more items to upgrade
Over 300 items you can make.
Collecting 3 power stones to become super for a minute.
Weirdo Characters (a chef whos special move is making soup that sends out pigs and cows while you try and dodge them and more)
Loads more

I gotta say that powerstone 2 while overlooked, is more innovative than smash, also it was the reason to buy a Dreamcast.

If you got a dreamcast, find it on ebay and buy it or download it, it is worth it.
 

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The thing about nitendo is it does not have the best graphics, it may not have the most rated M games and the most porn games. It may not be the most popular systems but the games are fun and that is why nitendo will survive because iam not looking for avanced systems i just want to have fun. Even if you have a old n64 it is still fun.
 

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The thing about nitendo is it does not have the best graphics, it may not have the most rated M games and the most porn games. It may not be the most popular systems but the games are fun and that is why nitendo will survive because iam not looking for avanced systems i just want to have fun. Even if you have a old n64 it is still fun.
Erm, WTF?
The most porn games?
The most porn games?
The most porn games?
The most porn games?
The most porn games?
The most porn games?

Lol, no one buys or plays porn games, hell, no one makes porn games.

It's stuff like this that make me realize how blind fanboyism can make a person.

Have you ever seen Sony make a porn game?
Have you ever seen Microsoft make a porn game?
Get back to me on those.

Who says Sony and Microsoft don't have fun games? Suddenly Nintendo has all the fun games in the world now? I really don't understand your post it's not making sense at all.

The most porn games? Rofl
 

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hey hey, porn games are very common in japan. well i wouldn't call it a "porn game." we would call it an H-game, ecchi-game, ero-game, or "eroge" as some would like to call it. xD but that's not the point i guess.

frey: powerstone 2? even if it really is a good game, it doesn't really make a difference because system and game popularity is what keeps the conscoles alive.
 

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hey hey, porn games are very common in japan. well i wouldn't call it a "porn game." we would call it an H-game, ecchi-game, ero-game, or "eroge" as some would like to call it. xD but that's not the point i guess.

frey: powerstone 2? even if it really is a good game, it doesn't really make a difference because system and game popularity is what keeps the conscoles alive.
well it was a capcom game so we could see a sequel on the wii, maybe.
 
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