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I actually kinda dislike his lingering moves like d tilt, up air and dash attack and even down throw to dair seems harder to set up or maybe even less powerful. I just get punished so hard. Toon Link's moves in general are bit too laggy to be useful( looking at you f smash ). Link's attacks may be laggier but the bigger hitbox and greater set up/combo potential make up for it. Link also has way better projectiles. So yeah this is the disregard you were talking about.
I think Toon Link is barely upper mid tier or middle of the road. Because so many characters are good, you have to rank them relative to each other. Characters are ranked higher or lower because one is very slightly better than the other.I agree with M2K that Sonic, Link, Mewtwo, Pit, Lucas, and Diddy in no order are the best characters. Any weakness they have is completely mitigated by their strengths. MK, Zelda, Ness, Mario, Wolf, Snake, Fox and a couple more are the balanced A tiers. As for the worst...
F Smash is for hard reads or can be combod out of D Throw.
U Smash comes out quick and sets up for aerial followups.
D Smash is pretty similar to ICs' D Smash i.e. it's awesome for on-stage edge guarding.
F Tilt is kinda slow, but it's an okay mixup to U Tilt or D Tilt.
U Tilt is great for setting up juggles and combos into itself at low percents.
D Tilt is great for setting up kill moves and can be combod out of easily. When sweet spotted it's also a meteor.
Jab One has basically no knockback and very early IASA frames.
Jab Two has basically no knockback and very early IASA frames.
Jab Three is laggy and has mediocre knockback. Instead cancel Jab Two into Grab, WD back, D Tilt, &c.
Dash Attack is a solid semi-spike with considerable range, but is very laggy. Some like to use it, but personally I don't.
Standing Grab has great range and isn't too laggy.
Dash Grab is bad and slow. Jump Cancel it.
Pivot Grab is good for reads, but is otherwise as slow as Dash Grab.
Pummel hurts the enemy! Don't forget to Pummel!
F Throw is a low percent chain grab and a DI trap if the other guy DIs for D Throw.
B Throw is okay if you're throwing them over the ledge. Both of these throws can set up for Jab Jab D Tilt at the ledge.
U Throw is good for low percent set ups, but I find it to be inferior to D Throw most of the time.
D Throw is known by nearly all players. Toon Link gets a free hard punish on basically any character at any percent.
Grounded F Spec is okay.
You're usually better off using it in the air. Use it to approach.
Grounded U Spec is an excellent OoS option.
Aerial U Spec is one of Toon Link's primary kill moves.
Grounded D Spec is bad and slow.
Always short hop to pull bombs. You can get a free punish if it hits.
Grounded N Spec is okay.
You're usually better off using it in the air or as you land to shoot instant arrows.
F Air is an excellent kill move.
B Air is a high percent kill move, but is more frequently used to juggle.
U Air is an excellent kill move, and it can be used to juggle.
D Air is an excellent kill move, and it contains the Fire Spike which can lead to early kills on unsuspecting opponents.
N Air is basically Fox's N Air. It's a sex kick; it's good when SHFFLd.
Z Air is a great approach or keep away tool, and it can be used out of air dodge, making air dodge much less punishable.
Running is an acceptable mode of transport.
Wave Dashing has great defensive and combo use. Don't forget to RAR WD to steal the ledge.
Tether recovery has great distance and speed.
Wall Jumps are amazing.
AGT is a godsend.Top 15(in a very rough order)
Well, I don't think toon link is a bad character. He's F##KING ANNOYING!!!!
If you really believe that, it's because you don't know anything about those characters. Zelda is easily the best defensive character, with strong punishes, great range, a new and improved Din's Fire, an easy escape through up b, and peels off characters like a mango with Nayru's Love. Watch Zhime to know what I mean. The fact that you think Dedede is not good just makes me really mad. I'm not even gonna bother. You just lost so much credibility on your opinions. Ness is very underrated mostly because people are used to thinking Ness is low tier and the changes don't really make him stand out like Ivysaur or Lucas. PK Fire is crazy good and it leads to crazy grab combos or an f smash kill. His movement is fantastic and his power is surprising. Watch Austin. Ike is clearly good and I don't want to say anymore. Ally is the best Ike.
It wasn't just that tier list. I think Toon Link's very solid and underrated. Lunchables should've shown them what Tink can do. That guy is a beast! He will eat your babies with salt! People need to stop judging characters even though they barely know them.
Are kidding? Zelda is basically only a neutral game! She also has more power, better recovery, arguably better projectiles, and can't be combo'd to death like Toon Link. I don't think there is any Ness player who comes close to being as good as Awestin so it would be hard to judge that one. I got mad with Dedede cause for some reason, a local Dedede player beats me when I'm Toon Link. I'm no Jolteon but I like to play a defensive bait and punish. I just can't see Dedede being worse than Tink.
Link's weakness is in the same position as Fox's in Melee: unexploitable if played perfectly except Link's weakness is much more mitigated. So much in fact, its barely a weakness, and it just goes to show you that most Links are bad. First of all, Link's gigantic range can easily space out any character, fast or not. And if Tink's up b OoS is effective, then Link's is deadly. It has gigantic almost unintuitive range and hitboxes and sends them amazing for gimping, which Link can do with his projectiles easily. And Link's grab and nair OoS are just as good as Tink's if not better. Tink's down throw to up b is hard compared to Link's down throw to dair. Toon Link's down throw to up b is DIable and not as reliable as people say while Link's down throw to dair is extremely hard to DI, practically guarenteed even with Link's crappy mobility, and stronger. Even just looking at matchups, Link has no counters and maybe one or two slight disadvantages: Falco and ZSS. Link's bad qualities such as his mobility do not affect his viability in any way. Link's combos are better than Tink's with things like dash attack or boomerang to anything. He has the tools to deal with anything and is better than Toon Link in nearly every way.
Fine. OK. Tink's OoS is sligjtly better.I'll give you that one, but I think the whole weak-if-you-burst-his-bubble thing is still not a big weakness, and more like a thing that keeps him from being an indestructable god like Pit and Mewtwo. Look at Captain Falcon. No projectiles, no gimmicks, no godlike OoS options: just fundementals and a knee, yet, just by playing good, I've never had much problems with pressure and to a lesser extent, combos. I believe with proper DI and perfect execution of options and spacing, you will never truly see this "weakness" come into play. And how exactly is Tink's nair better?
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