Why is Pikachu Low Tier Again?

[theONEjanitor]

Let see. he's fast. he has the strongest upsmash in the game. and several moves that lead into the upsmash. He has AMAZING and UPREDICTABLE recovery. he has a semispike. he has a projectile. he has at least 3 good killing moves

his cons?
poor grab range. Hmm. Mario has worse grab range, yet he's much higher on the tier list.
easily juggled/chaingrabbed. hmm. soo is fox, and he's considered the best character in the game.

is it simply because no one plays him in tournaments? I mean, you can look at the character and tell he's not one of the worst characters.

Pikachu was always middle tier until the last tier list release..Now he's at the bottom of low tier..What prompted the demotion?

 

[BigRick]

his cons? not poor grab range... just poor range.

Every1 above Pikachu on this list is simply better than him.

Sheiks eats them alive for breakfast... with a little bit of hot sauce.

 

[SlyShadow]

I think the Tier list is a way of saying "PLAY FOX LOLOLOLOLOLOL" they consider Roy to be a terrible fighter when really he's a defensive Marth, when I play him I use counter to create holes in my enemy's technique and punish them for letting me do it where the person who did the tier list probably tried to act as if he was Marth and run in using slow attacks. If anything the Tier lists needs to be revamped and not just saying "Yea, you can't abuse <random glitch here> with <Random character here> so he's low tier" they need to say WHY they are low tier such as they are bad on what common used maps and what weaknesses they have to what characters, I'd do it but i'm lazy

 

[red stone]

his range mostly

 

[Chaotic Yoshi]

Pikachu can very well be mid tier (high/top tier is asking a bit much). Tier list is based off tournament results, and no one reps pikachu in tournmant. You pay money to enter tournament, so people feel safer "gambling" their money with more proven odds. If more work was put into pikachu's meta game, he would definitely be higher, he has a lot of potential imo.

 

[SlyShadow]

he has a lot of potential imo.

every character does, like ness has HIGH potential but nobody really bothers to play as him since about all the techniques for high tier characters have been made and nobody is either....

a)Dedicated

or

b)Not high enough skill

to start making techniques with him

 

[Adi]

You guys are silly! The tier list is a statistical representation of who has been winning/placing well in tournaments therefore representing the current metagame in smash.

If you want to see Pikachu higher on the tier listings than place well with him in tournaments!

 

[BigRick]

every character does, like ness has HIGH potential but nobody really bothers to play as him since about all the techniques for high tier characters have been made and nobody is either....

a)Dedicated

or

b)Not high enough skill

to start making techniques with him

Actually there's plenty of dedicated Pika players out there that found out a bunch of techniques with him... check the Pikachu board out

Pika is not that good, plain and simple.

The tier list isn't here to tell you which char you should play... it's only there to state the facts.

 

[5150]

no safe offensive or defensive game. his only hope is to try to keep pressure on constantly but once the positioning is even hes gonna have a hell of a time regaining control

you can't look at statistics when discussing tiers, its about gameplay. how well do they actually do in a match not how good are their moves.

 

[pikachun00b7]

Range, and lightness.
These make many matchups extremely hard for Pika. I think the tier list is accurate about Pikachu.

 

[Zig-Zag!]

Light and easy to combo is my biggest problem. Whereas I have to fight with the skill of a jedi knight to get my damage off, better characters can just C-stick the same results.

 

[BigRick]

His uair needs to do more damage.

It would've been nice if the lag on his aerial neutral-B was cancellable by landing.

The only way to rush behind a thundershock would be to fullhop before shooting it... and that is very unsafe/predictable

 

[N64]

He's a bad character.

He dies fast. Half the cast can chainthrow him. He's a nice combo-able weight/shape. His approach options are limited and weak, he has little ability to rush.

We also currently have no Taj/Bum/etc. to play pika to his full potential. A lot of us are pretty good, but I don't think any of us has taken pika to his metagame limit.

 

[-Chad-]

Poor range, poor approach options, a subpar projectile set him up to be simply out-played by good players who know to abuse his weaknesses. A large majority of the cast can either out camp a Pika and force them to approach, (which is a situation where Pika is weak) have something evil and high damaging they can do (like Mario/Doc chaingrab to smash), or they can simply out range and out prioritize his moves(Marth, Peach, etc.)

 

[pikachun00b7]

He dies fast. Half the cast can chainthrow him.

OMG, you reminded me of a gannon chain throw on Pikachu *Cries*.


Pikachu approaches:
Nair

 

[Tope]

lol don't forget about his god awful shield

 

[NeeQueoHH]

All we have to do is play pika in abillion tounreys, win them and thats it. He'll go up the teir list. thats all we have to do.

 

[pikachun00b7]

You do not like Pika's tier placement?
Play smash64.

 

[Nigachu]

The question is aimed at Pika's current tier placement in melee not 64, although he was much higher back then.

 

[pikachun00b7]

Yeah. He was higher then falcon at some point.

 

[NeeQueoHH]

he hada sex kik, his bair, and infinite thunder. but i really dont mind where pika is on the teir list. Makes me feel better when i win. mwahaha "you lost to a low teir you stupid fox!!!"

 

[Anther]

on the flip it's pretty bad when people start rooting for a fox/falco/marth player to beat you when you're playing pika x.x.

 

[D. Disciple]

Being the underdog is always fun Anther.

 

[KevinM]

Who said Ness had extreme amounts of potential srsly?

 

[pikachun00b7]

lol Random bowser posting

 

[Terywj [태리]]

His Range!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[KevinM]

lol Random bowser posting

I have a chip implanted in my brain for when Ness people try and say Ness is good.

It's a curse

 

[pikachun00b7]

I have a chip implanted in my brain for when Ness people try and say Ness is good.

It's a curse

Only you said something about ness.....

 

[KevinM]

every character does, like ness has HIGH potential but nobody really bothers to play as him since about all the techniques for high tier characters have been made and nobody is either....

a)Dedicated

or

b)Not high enough skill

to start making techniques with him

Sorry but GG?

Lol jk <3

 

[E-Jolteon]

Nope, this is uncalled for. I think Pikachu's an excellent character.

Probably the main reason for his demotion is all his fighters used him predictibly. You have to fight in an unorthidox manner, and just doing that can make any character good.

Incedentally, I fail at life with Sheik, so don't take me too seriously here.

 

[Klowne]

Argh KevinM, i feel your pain. I've got a similar chip in my brain, except mine goes berserk when someone tries to say Roy is good. We've got a lot of work to do in this thread!

 

[pikachun00b7]

I get a heart attack when ever someone says
pikachu is good because it has an "advantage over fox."

 

[N64]

I think i'll just button mash with pika from now on.

He'll be top tier in weeks.

 

[Metà]

Why is everyone always so obsessed with the tier list? Rather than asking why Pikachu is low on the tier list, why not ask why Pikachu sucks? If you're debating that fact, then you obviously have never used Pikachu against someone good...or a Sheik who can chainthrow.

Argh KevinM, i feel your pain. I've got a similar chip in my brain, except mine goes berserk when someone tries to say Roy is good. We've got a lot of work to do in this thread!

I have that same problem! It's a good thing Ragnarok lives in Texas...

 

[pikachun00b7]

Immediately after I posted the infinite video, I checked the tier list. Pikachu is not top. So some of you must not be using it.

 

[-Chad-]

We have yet to harness the ownage that is the skullbash combo.

 

[D. Disciple]

Chad no one is at that level yet, you must lead the way!

 

[DelxDoom]

because pichu is better in the skull bash department

 

[Nigachu]

because pichu is better in the skull bash department

That's no excuse, Pika has potential. I sometimes use the fully charged skull bash in multiplayer matches as I fall from the sky after getting hit and surprisingly, score KOs with it.=D

 

[pikachun00b7]

Thundershock->Skullbash

****.

Note: Pikachu has some of the best move names.