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From what I've played so far, 3DS's online is about ten hundred times more enjoyable than Brawls. I literally never had a playable match on Brawl's online. 3DS's is more than playable, its functioning. Laggy at times, sure. But I have only had a few small occasions where lag was unbearable. Even online, I continue to uphold that a good Marth beats out a good Lucina 10 times out of 9.I would assume that this Lucina>Marth fad is based off of a few factors.
--Lucina seems to cater more towards casual players due to the lack of Marth's tipper mechanic.
--On the 3DS version, I can't speak from experience (waiting for the Wii U version) but people tend to complain not only about lag, but also the controls and the screen. As we all know from Brawl, landing a tipper on Brawl's online was...an irksome task. Considering the 3DS's lag is allegedly worse (again, I'm going on what I've heard on the boards here), and a smaller screen, and the unfamiliar control scheme on the 3DS, I can completely understand why Lucina would be considered "better" or at the very least an "easier" character. Just my two cents.
wow, you really don't rate Lucina's chancesEven online, I continue to uphold that a good Marth beats out a good Lucina 10 times out of 9.
It's either placebo or people are lying due to their fanboyism. Either way it's not true or has not been confirmed yet and is extremely likely to be false.I believe this may have been covered before but I'd like a couple more opinions for assurance as I can't test it myself. Happened across this thread on Reddit recently that states some differences between Marth/Lucina's attack speeds, perhaps most noticeably Dancing Blade. This is just placebic and confirmation bias, or is there some truth to the differences?
Yeah that's what I was thinking, a lot of people on Reddit seem highly biased and struck with favoritism, though I'd certainly like some of veterans who'd be able to tell the difference if it existed just by merit of having played Marth for many generations of games.It's either placebo or people are lying due to their fanboyism. Either way it's not true or has not been confirmed yet and is extremely likely to be false.
yeah. It's unfortunate, but this thread was needed. It's getting kinda embarrasing seeing the same junk pop up every day on the Lucina board.
As tempting as it is to refute your statement, I'll just simply ask that we let this subject die out already. We all know fundamentally Marth is stronger than Lucina, but that is no excuse to stereotype people who choose to use her.Lucina players tend to be full blown anime weaboo's who circle jerk over fire emblem awakening that caters to the anime community with these pairing bull. Only reason to touch lucina is if you suck at landing tippers (mostly true) or you like her character, Marth is better than her in every way it's a fact and the game hasn't been out for long
Nor can you ignore the point you made to say tend, which still stereotypes and gives people the wrong opinion of the average Lucina players. To say tend is to suggest it is the norm that Lucina players are weeboos, and that anyone outside of it is the exception (such assumptions have a negative undertone). You could have just easily said they were fans of fire emblem awakening and left it at that. A lot of meaning can be misinterpretted by the words you used, especially when it is text only and no tone nor context is involved. Perhaps it was not your intention, but the choice of words are problematic, and people got the point of Marth being fundamentally better back when it was being discussed a month ago already.If I said 'all' then you have the right to tell me off about stereotyping but I said 'tend' meaning not all, can't refute what I have observed mate.
@ P. O. F. , your points have already been elaborated on this very thread, and we have threads for talking about the findings and your opinion on Marth for you to post it on. Everyone should be in agreement by now at least, that Marth is fundamentally stronger than Lucina as they currently are. There can be more debates about this subject, especially with the good Marth vs good Lucina, because you're assuming a mistake on Lucina's part and not on Marth's (especially since Marth has the sour spot mistakes that a good player could make use of). It's really hard to tell what kind of standard of good you're going for, if not from the bias of Marth's good being better than Lucina's good. The person to err factor will always be there. If it were just two AI characters fighting, I can understand your point - otherwise, we're all just going in circles here.lol.
I read this thread and all i see are soooo many people who do not understand smash at a high level, people trolling with ******* pictures, and a bunch of other useless jargin.
Marth IS better than Lucina because BOTH CHARACTERS NEED to space. You can't go in with Lucina or Marth at all. If you are winning with Lucina more its because you landed a lucky random f smash on a BAD player and got the kill earlier. A GOOD Marth VS a GOOD lucina.....The Marth is going to win because Marth kills earlier if played correctly.
Both Lucina and Marth are NOT offensive or aggressive characters at all. They are mid range footsie based characters similar to how Fei Long and Balrog are played in SF4.
Some findings:
Forward B is still viable and really good but only as a punish tool. I've been playing Marth similar to Brawl (I played him in Melee too) and this Marth is definitely more so Brawl based.
His throws are *** just like they mostly were in Brawl too. It's all about u air, u tilt, and Forward B in this game for damage racking and dropzone and of course f smash for your kills. U tilt at early percents is good if you can catch it because it can lead to tippered F smash. This also applies for SH uairs as well. Ideally I like to play a mix up game between u throw to chase for uairs by means of double uair or wait till they double spot dodge and go for u tilt when i fall just before they do after fast fall and catch them there. Mixing this up with throws when they land (old school brawl stuff) and resetting the situation is pretty viable.
Overall right now, i feel like Marth kind of sucks. I look at Mario, Sheik, Shulk, (he has the best spacing ijn the game i think) zero suit and rosalina and i just lol at marth.
Personally, I think Smash 4 is Brawl but just faster.
I also feel Donkey Kong is secretly really good. He kills soooooo quickly and has an amazing throw and tilt game and thats the biggest problem with this game right now. So many characters struggle for viable kills.
When you mentioned SF4 I started paying attention then you said mario and i laughed.lol.
I read this thread and all i see are soooo many people who do not understand smash at a high level, people trolling with ******* pictures, and a bunch of other useless jargin.
Marth IS better than Lucina because BOTH CHARACTERS NEED to space. You can't go in with Lucina or Marth at all. If you are winning with Lucina more its because you landed a lucky random f smash on a BAD player and got the kill earlier. A GOOD Marth VS a GOOD lucina.....The Marth is going to win because Marth kills earlier if played correctly.
Both Lucina and Marth are NOT offensive or aggressive characters at all. They are mid range footsie based characters similar to how Fei Long and Balrog are played in SF4.
Some findings:
Forward B is still viable and really good but only as a punish tool. I've been playing Marth similar to Brawl (I played him in Melee too) and this Marth is definitely more so Brawl based.
His throws are *** just like they mostly were in Brawl too. It's all about u air, u tilt, and Forward B in this game for damage racking and dropzone and of course f smash for your kills. U tilt at early percents is good if you can catch it because it can lead to tippered F smash. This also applies for SH uairs as well. Ideally I like to play a mix up game between u throw to chase for uairs by means of double uair or wait till they double spot dodge and go for u tilt when i fall just before they do after fast fall and catch them there. Mixing this up with throws when they land (old school brawl stuff) and resetting the situation is pretty viable.
Overall right now, i feel like Marth kind of sucks. I look at Mario, Sheik, Shulk, (he has the best spacing ijn the game i think) zero suit and rosalina and i just lol at marth.
Personally, I think Smash 4 is Brawl but just faster.
I also feel Donkey Kong is secretly really good. He kills soooooo quickly and has an amazing throw and tilt game and thats the biggest problem with this game right now. So many characters struggle for viable kills.