Why is C-sticking shameful?

[MajorMajora]

It's not like using Metaknight where it's problem with the meta, it's saying you're playing it wrong if you want to use a more intuitive control scheme. Like, I guess I could probably do a quarter circle forward and B to use Link's boomerang or I could use L+A to do a grab but I don't need to. That's just going through some unnecessary motions. Like, I really don't get it.

 

[SS-bros14]

It's only mostly frowned upon for using quick smash attacks, c-stick aerials though are apparently ok.

 

[Senario]

It isnt. I have no idea where you are getting this from.

 

[Shiliski]

Who said that C-sticking is shameful? I really have no idea why anyone would think that. Especially not here. Aren't you supposed to "play to win"?

 

[Naglfarii]

It's considered shameful by the same people who think edge guarding is cheap, children

 

[SS-bros14]

It isnt. I have no idea where you are getting this from.

Who said that C-sticking is shameful? I really have no idea why anyone would think that. Especially not here. Aren't you supposed to "play to win"?

I think some people outside Smashboards find it 'shameful'.

 

[strawhatninja]

Some people think it's cheap, but really if you can't find a way to beat I think your not trying hard enough.

 

[Roko Jono]

It's generally thought of as a "noob" technique by lower level players because its "easy" to spam smash attacks and eventually became kind of a meme to say, but during high level play, many people use the C-Stick and it all comes down to preference so C-Stick to your hearts content!

 

[ChikoLad]

It was referred to as "shameful" two or three times by Nintendo Treehouse employees on the various streams they did for Smash Wii U, but I am pretty sure they were just joking about it being shameful (though I think some of them personally don't incorporate it into their game a whole lot). The tone of their voices and their laughing gave me the impression it was sarcasm.

I have not heard anyone refer to it as shameful, genuinely or sarcastically, anywhere else.

 

[Ragel]

I don't understand the logic behind it. It's something that is there for anyone to use on EVERY character.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

Doesn't the c-stick in and of itself remove technical depth in the same vein that people argue the removal of l-cancelling does? It automates an action that would otherwise take a collection of 2 simultaneous and decently timed inputs in order to execute otherwise.

The "competitive" players sure do oddly pick and choose.

 

[Golden Gallade]

I remember at comic-con, Bill Trinen said something along the lines of " No using the c-stick, or you'll be frowned upon." So I guess Nintendo thinks it's shameful.

 

[Kuraudo]

I remember at comic-con, Bill Trinen said something along the lines of " No using the c-stick, or you'll be frowned upon." So I guess Nintendo thinks it's shameful.

Sounds like Bill needs to step his **** up.

 

[SmashBro99]

c-stick is love

 

[Shiliski]

It's considered shameful by the same people who think edge guarding is cheap, children

Well of course it's cheap. You can do it for free! Oh you meant that kind of cheap.

Doesn't the c-stick in and of itself remove technical depth in the same vein that people argue the removal of l-cancelling does? It automates an action that would otherwise take a collection of 2 simultaneous and decently timed inputs in order to execute otherwise.

The "competitive" players sure do oddly pick and choose.

There's no strategic depth to L-cancelling, but there's strategic reason to use a charged smash vs. an un-charged C-stick smash.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

Well of course it's cheap. You can do it for free! Oh you meant that kind of cheap.



There's no strategic depth to L-cancelling, but there's strategic reason to use a charged smash vs. an un-charged C-stick smash.

Good thing I wasn't referring to strategic depth.

 

[MajorMajora]

I never understood why technical depth for a single action is considered a good thing. The technical depth should come from exploring the depth of the game and applying the tools, such as using AT's or combos. All individual moves should be easily accessible, though.

 

[RascalTheCharizard]

There's no strategic depth to L-cancelling, but there's strategic reason to use a charged smash vs. an un-charged C-stick smash.

Assuming I understood your point correctly, I'd like to just say that you can charge a C-stick smash, but you have to press and hold an Attack button as well. In Smash 4, all you need to do is just hold the C-stick in your desired direction and let go when you want to stop charging.

 

[liets]

It's considered shameful by the same people who think edge guarding is cheap, children

Guess who else thought edge hogging is cheap? Sakurai. Remember the new mechanic? Yeah, I bet you do.

 

[Shiliski]

Good thing I wasn't referring to strategic depth.

No, you were referring to technical depth, and I'm not sure what's meant by that.
Aside from Melee, Smash doesn't have a lot of technical skill requirements. Heck, Wavedashing and SHFFL aren't any more complicated than your standard combo.

Assuming I understood your point correctly, I'd like to just say that you can charge a C-stick smash, but you have to press and hold an Attack button as well. In Smash 4, all you need to do is just hold the C-stick in your desired direction and let go when you want to stop charging.

Huh. I didn't know that, but I still like to use the C-stick for fast, uncharged attacks.

Guess who else thought edge hogging is cheap? Sakurai. Remember the new mechanic? Yeah, I bet you do.

inb4 Edgestealing is the new "cheap" mechanic.

 

[ミスティック Speed]

Um, who cares what people think? I'm using the C-stick regardless because I always have...

 

[ChikoLad]

No, you were referring to technical depth, and I'm not sure what's meant by that.
Aside from Melee, Smash doesn't have a lot of technical skill requirements. Heck, Wavedashing and SHFFL aren't any more complicated than your standard combo.

I think (i.e. I could be wrong) when they said technical depth, they meant how much the various techniques expand depth of the game, as in, the amount of possibilities the individual techniques could potentially offer a player if they master them. While technical skill is the player's ability to perform and apply these techniques.

Assuming I understood your point correctly, I'd like to just say that you can charge a C-stick smash, but you have to press and hold an Attack button as well. In Smash 4, all you need to do is just hold the C-stick in your desired direction and let go when you want to stop charging.

Woah, I wasn't aware of that. That could be nice to experiment with, I might end up preferring it.

 

[Sahfarry]

My friends and I make fun of people that say that it's shameful by jokingly pointing out someone that is C-Sticking.

 

[Roko Jono]

Doesn't the c-stick in and of itself remove technical depth in the same vein that people argue the removal of l-cancelling does? It automates an action that would otherwise take a collection of 2 simultaneous and decently timed inputs in order to execute otherwise.

The "competitive" players sure do oddly pick and choose.

IMO, the C-Stick is not technically deep. In it's basics, if you are grounded it inputs a smash attack for you, if you are in the air it inputs the directional air for you.

Now, if it did something like L-Cancel aerials or auto shield for you after a smash attack, that would be removing technical depth because that is something you have to input after the move.

The C-Stick is very useful for many AT's. For example in melee, crouch-cancel down smashing or doing up-airs without accidentally using your jump. Sure sure, you can learn to do this without the C-Stick but its a tool that is there and it is there for everyone. What's important is that it is there for everyone and every character to use if they wanted to and most importantly, it is not game breaking.

 

[Leonyx]

Doesn't the c-stick in and of itself remove technical depth in the same vein that people argue the removal of l-cancelling does? It automates an action that would otherwise take a collection of 2 simultaneous and decently timed inputs in order to execute otherwise.

The "competitive" players sure do oddly pick and choose.

1. Please stop with attacking competitive players. It's unnecessary to bring this debate into every thread.

2. There are reasons why you wouldn't use the C-stick to Smash attack, such as charging an attack for more damage/knockback or delaying it. In such cases, the technical depth would not be removed as you would be forced into the "normal" inputs.

3. Since you can charge Smash attacks with the C-stick in Smash 4 (correct me if I'm wrong), there is actually an added technical depth of timing your smash no matter which input choice you pick, so there actually is an increase in such depth despite the lack of an extra button press.

4. Certain AT's cannot be done using the control stick alone. The C-stick again increases technical input by allowing players access to these moves as opposed to not being able to do it at all.

 

[liets]

inb4 Edgestealing is the new "cheap" mechanic.

In all seriousness, the second jump can be used after your ledge space has been repoed, so nobody's KO-ing off that
EDIT: except maybe the steal victim, in which they may want to spike the thief

 

[RascalTheCharizard]

1. Please stop with attacking competitive players. It's unnecessary to bring this debate into every thread.

2. There are reasons why you wouldn't use the C-stick to Smash attack, such as charging an attack for more damage/knockback or delaying it. In such cases, the technical depth would not be removed as you would be forced into the "normal" inputs.

1. Agreed

2. I'm guessing I might have ninja'd you, but I already addressed this. It is possible to charge smashes with the C-stick in Brawl (and I think Melee too) by pressing and holding a button mapped to Attack at around the same time you flick the stick.

 

[Leonyx]

1. Agreed

2. I'm guessing I might have ninja'd you, but I already addressed this. It is possible to charge smashes with the C-stick in Melee and Brawl by pressing and holding a button mapped to Attack at around the same time you flick the stick.

Yeah, I saw that. I figured I'd compile all of the reasons I could think of in one post, though I had forgotten that you could charge attacks using the C-stick and the A button. Apologies if I intruded.

 

[Requiem Strider]

The C-Stick is there to be used. Whether one prefers to use it or not, it's up to them. I have encountered people that claim that using the Z button for grabs is cheap. Why? It's beyond me. I rely heavily in the C-Stick for my aerials and doing smash attacks out of a spotdodge and I'm pretty certain that I'm not the only one who enjoys this. How else am I going to easily perform back aerials while moving forward or vice-versa?

 

[Xavier :D]

I love the C-Stick.

 

[HeavyLobster]

Using the C-stick is about as shameful as pressing the A or B Button.

 

[Roko Jono]

The C-Stick is there to be used. Whether one prefers to use it or not, it's up to them. I have encountered people that claim that using the Z button for grabs is cheap. Why? It's beyond me.

Haha, I bet those same people could argue that the jump buttons are cheap because jump is already mapped to up on the analog stick

 

[The Slayer]

The C-Stick is there to be used. Whether one prefers to use it or not, it's up to them. I have encountered people that claim that using the Z button for grabs is cheap. Why? It's beyond me. I rely heavily in the C-Stick for my aerials and doing smash attacks out of a spotdodge and I'm pretty certain that I'm not the only one who enjoys this. How else am I going to easily perform back aerials while moving forward or vice-versa?

Might as well jump only with the control stick and not using the other jump buttons since it's "cheap" and "easy" to do. For shame!

EDITED: And 'ed. gg

 

[ChikoLad]

I love the C-Stick.

The "C" in "C-Stick" stands for a word I cannot say on this site and that word can be used to describe something quite arousing.

And that's why everybody loves the C-Stick.

 

[Superyoshiom]

Forget about it, it's the Treehouse that wants you to think it's bad.

 

[Toledo Jones]

since when was using the C-stick shameful? cuz in my experience, for years, I got a lot of **** for NOT using the C-stick. by casuals & pros alike! it didn't bother me though. I use the C-stick now, & prefer it more just because it feels more comfortable & easier in execution for me, albeit only slightly.

 

[ElectricCitrus]

C-sticking is shameful? What? It makes casual battles a breeze and is essential for some combos in higher levels of play.
Literally never heard someone say it was shameful before, but maybe I just got lucky? :I

 

[Ryuji]

Only scrubs think it's shameful. I used it most often in melee and felt no compunction in doing so.

 

[Raijinken]

It's considered shameful by the same people who think edge guarding is cheap, children

Overgeneralized. I hate edehogging, c-stick is legit.

Nintendo reps apparently said it was shameful as part of their house rules, but so is attacking someone who has fewer stocks than you.

 

[Vann Accessible]

The "C" in "C-Stick" stands for a word I cannot say on this site and that word can be used to describe something quite arousing.

And that's why everybody loves the C-Stick.

Camera. Why was that so difficult?

C-Stick and I go waaay back. Don't hate on my boy.